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8. Is the other land freehold? —Yes, freehold. 9. How many owners are there? —Three. 10. Did you buy that land?— Yes. ■11. How did you get the money to buy it?—We had a quarter of an acre of land in Wellington, and we sold it. 12. What did you get for it?—£4,ooo. 13. How many owners were there in that? —Four owners. 14. And some of you invested your share in this land that you bought? —Yes, two of us. is! What did the land cost?—£2,ooo. 16. Was there a mortgage besides? —Yes, of £1,000. 17. What is the area?—l94 acres. 18. Is it far from the 26 acres? —A mile away. 19. What are you doing with the 194 acres I—lt has been used for dairying. 20. How many cows have you? —Forty-eight cows. 21. What is the quality of the land? —Good laud. 22. Who does the milking ?— Myself and two young members of my family. 23. Does the other owner do any work on the land? —He is dead. 24. Are there any noxious weeds on this land? —The Europeans introduced a lot of noxious weeds 25. Are you doing anything to get rid of those noxious weeds? —We have to in order to protect the grass, or else it will run to fern. 26. Why have you not felled the bush oft' the 26 acres?—lt is not suitable for clearing. We want to make use of the bush for fencing purposes. 27. Where are you going to put the fencing-posts? —On the 194 acres. 28. When you have finished improving the 194 acres will you fell the bush on the 26 acres?— We would like to keep that for firewood as well. 29. When did you sell the quarter-acre section in Wellington?—ln 1908. 30. Was it just after the sale that you bought the 194 acres? —Yes. 31. Was that after Te Whiti and Tohu were dead? —Yes, they died in 1907. 32. What were you doing before Te Whiti and Tohu died? —I was the man who was looked upon as the baker for Tohu. 33. Were you paid anything for the work you did for Te Whiti and Tohu?—No. 34. Why did you do it?—l was well rewarded by the people coining to Parihaka from other places and being satisfied with their stomachs being filled. 35. Do you mean you were given financial reward or that you were rewarded in seeing them come?— That is the best reward one can have for them to come and see us, because that is love. 36. So long as Te Whiti. and Tohu were alive, would you have gone out farming?—lt was only on their death that I could go out, and it was then that I could purchase flour, tea, and sugar for myself. 37. Are there any Maoris in your locality who are anxious to work but have not got any land?— Yes, a large number. 38. Has there been any change in the Maoris since Te Whiti and Tohu died?— Yes, they are very hungry for land to work on. . PouwHAREUMU Toi sworn and examined. (No. 30.) 1. Mr, Bell.] Have you any land?— Yes. 2. Whereabouts is it?—At Inuawai. I own 16 acres in my own right, but my people jointly occupy a greater portion. 3. As to the 16 acres, what did j - ou do with that? —I leased it to Sam Henderson. 4. Why did you lease it to the pakeha?—Because I had no money. :. 5. What did you want the money for? —To erect the fences and to procure the grass-seed. 6. Was it in bush at the time?—No, it was gorse land. 7. Would you have improved this land if you had had the money to do so?— Yes. '. 8. Has the pakeha improved it? —-Yes. 9. Have you got the land back from the pakeha? —My individual interest is 16 acres, but it is joined with the others of my family. 10. Was it all leased to the pakeha?—One portion of it is returned, but Henderson still retains one portion. 11. Is your 16 acres individualized? —No, it is not absolutely cut off. ... 12.. What is being done with the land which the pakeha has given back? —It has been sown in grass, and there are now three stacks of hay. 13. What are you going to do with the hay? —I will sell it to the European, but I will keep one to feed my cows if I procure any. ■-.-' 14. And what will you do with the money from the two stacks that you sell? —Buy stock :.with it. 15. Have you got any children? —Yes, one son, twenty-three years old. 16. What does he do? —He works on the land he possesses—the land of his mother, who is now dead. 17. Does your son do any other work besides working on his mother's land? —He does other work for the Europeans. 18. How big is his mother's land?—l am not able to say. 19. What was the mother's name? —Kawhe. She is in Ngatihaua Block, and the other is the Ngatimanuhakai Block. . 20. Did you ever have anything to do with Te Whiti and Tohu?—Yes. 21. Did you follow their teaching?— Yes.

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