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1779. And you did not want yourself struck oft'? —I v.en! there to see whether it was right to have my name on the roll, and, if it was right, well aud good; but, if not, there would have been an end to it. 17S0. Mr. Lundon.] Did you go there for the purpose of stating that you bad a qualification—a good house ? —Yes, that is true. 1781. And would you also have stated that Air. AVilliams and Air. yon Stiirmer were aware of that ? —I would have stated that. 1782. And would you also have stated that you wished to be on the roll in respect of this house ? —That was not my qualification at that time. 1 claimed in respect of land. 1783. What was it you meant to say to the Revising Officer in order to sustain your claim ?—I should have told him that I would not have stated an untruth. I should have said, " What is the reason my name is struck off?" I should have spoken in regard to myself only. 1754. The Commissioner.] But if tho Revising Officer had put that claim before you and asked whether it was your claim, what would you have said then ? 1785. Mr. Lundon.] AVho went with you on that; occasion to Kororaraka? —Peri te Huhu was one, Hori Hare another, Nui Hare was another, Heremaia to Ara, of Whangaroa, and myself. Mr. Lundon and Air. Patrick Luudon were there. Hone Alohi Tawhai and others went from AVaima. Rei te Tai was another of our party. 17S0. Did not you say you were willing to pay Air. Tole £5 for his attendance there? —That is where we suffered through you. 1787. Did you promise to pay Air. Tole ? Did you tell Air. Tole you would pay him ? —lt was because we were not aware wc would have to pay the lawyer; because we were ashamed when we were asked to pay. Therefore we promised to subscribe. The money was promised; it has not yet been paid. 1788. Had you a contract recently from the County Council ?—Yes. 1789. AVhen were you to draw the money ? —I received the money about two months ago. 1790. Did you tell die Chairman you would pay £2 10s. out of that to Mr. Tole?—I did say that the money would be subscribed from this money. The amount promised was ou behalf of the whole hapu. 1791. Do you hear me any ill-will on account of this demand for money ? —AVhen I saw that you were doing wrong I would say that that was wrong —that you were doing wrong ; but in this matter I could not say it was wrong, because we were ashamed of the lawyer. 1792. The Commissioner.] AVas it in consequence of this demand of Air. Lundon's that you wrote this letter to Air. John AVebster?—No, because I have been in tho habit of writing to those people for money; because whenever I have done any work for them I have always written and asked them for money. 1793. Are your feelings friendly towards Air. John Lundon, or the reverse ? —I voted for him when he was elected to the Council. 1794. Have your feelings changed since that time ?—lf he were to turn round aud quarrel with me about some wrong thing, I should quarrel with him. 1795. Mr. Lundon.] Have you uttered threats against me, to the effect that you would do mo what harm you could, within the last few weeks ? —I have made or uttered some threats, and so has he. 1796. Mr. Williams.] You state that signature to the claim to vote produced is not yours. Can you state whoso hand it is in ? Is it in the same hand as the attesting signature ?—No; I cannot guess whoso hand it is in. 1797. The Commissioner^] You have received the money you requested in this letter? —I did not get the money, because I did not go to the Bay of Islands. The Court adjourned until the next day at 11 a.m.

Heremaia te Wake.

March 21,1879.

Hokianga, Tuesday, 25th Alarch, 1879. Air. James AlcLeod sworn and examined. 1798. AVhat is tho nature of the evidence you wish to give, Air. AlcLeod? —The nature of it is that I, in 1877, applied to have my namo placed on the roll, and it has not been put on. In 1878 I did the very same, aud I cannot see myself on the roll. 1799. Was your application received by the Registration Officer ? —ln 1577 I did not write it. Joseph Harrison wrote it, and I saw him shut the envelope with my own and his application iv it. lie is on the roll; lam not. 1800. Did you sign it? —I did sign it. 1801. Do you know whether your name was objected to, because that would be proof that it had been received ?—I could not find it on the objections, and I was led to believe it was accepted. 1802. There is another James AlcLeod ? —Yes ; I have known him for thirty-six years. 1803. Last year —1878 —did you make another application ? —Yes. ISO 4. How was that sent ?—Air. Yarborough wrote that; and I told him at the time that if I was not put on I was going to walk iv to Air. Williams " spicey." He said, " Very well; go it, Mac." 1805. Do you know whether that was received by Air AVilliams last year ? —I could not say ; but I will swear I posted it. 1806. You see, Air. AlcLeod, the mistake may have arisen in this way —I speak from knowledge, because I have known the mistake arise : Two people of the same name applying are supposed by tho Registration Officer to be the same, and they would appear in duplicate ou the roll: therefore one is thrown out ?—But Air. AVilliams knows the other James AlcLeod, and me also. I have been six years on the affair, and been on tho roll before, and " shoved" off. I was on tho roll for Kawakawa in 1574. A year afterwards I was knocked off, and ho did right, simply because I had left tho Kawakawa, and came to Russell; and he knew I was within fifty yards of the Resident Magistrate's Office.

Mr. McLeod.

March 25,1879,