PARLIAMENTARY.

Wairarapa Daily Times, Volume IX, Issue 2618, 8 June 1887, Page 2

PARLIAMENTARY.

[united phkss association] HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, The House raeb at 2.80 p.m. • Mr Hamlin took the chair in tho .absence of fcho Speaker.. ~ The Counties Act Amondnicnt Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr Laniach moved the second reading of the Mining Act 188(1 Amendment Bill. Agreed to. Sir Julius Vogel said he desired to make a personal explanation with reference to the remarks of the member for Napier some few days ago. . Ho had waited until a report of the-speech appeared, in order that ho should movo the adjournment of the House. Tho member for Napier hud mado certain .statements at a public meeting in Napier respecting his (Vogol's) action on the Government Insurance Committee of last session, ana., if Mr Oriiiond had not repeated those statements recently m tho Heuso,j&? (Vogel)intended sroing toNapior to mcctlw Hon. Gentleman and to take him to task for his statements, As ho had, howevor, repeated them lately, ho now took tho opportunity of replying to' tho charges made against him by the hon.-gentloman. Mr Ormond had said that when he had submitted the names to him (Vosrol) last session which he desired to put in tho Government lusutanCo. Association Committee, that he' (VogoJ) had said that he must be also on' the Committee. Mr Ormond had also said he had remarked to him, " But you are going to be tried, and it is not right for you to serve on the Committee. lf Mr Ormond had further said that ho (Vogel) demanded to be put on tho Committee, but to this statement ho gave the most emphatic contradiction, which the forms of the House would allow him to do, and it was wholly incorre.i t, He went on to stale that Mr Onnoiid himself camo to him ono day during progress of business last session, and submitted to hiin boiuo names of members who ho had selected to enquire into the ■management of. tho Government Insurance Association. Ho (Vogol) pointed out that there woro eno or two membors on the Oommigj who were notoriously opposed to pff. Mr Ormond then said that if ho (Vogel) went oii the.Committee, they would- also have to take Mr Fisher, whom the .member for Napier evidently did not wish to serve on it; Sir Itoboft Stout, who was present at tlie intorview, said ho would not go on the Committee, because he was i Director of another Insurance Assoc!iition. Mr Ormond ithen struck oft' the names of persons tq.wjiom he(Vogol) had. objected, and tlie Cnmnufcteo'was formed. Ee would ask the House'.lf. it was likely ;hat he should allow,jtijb". member for Napier to say to liim whathd had represented as having said abdu.ls his being on his trial. If ho had said ( so lie would liavo behaved in a most scandalous manner. Ho would tell the House what happened aftorwards. Mr ■ Douglas, member for Hawkcs / Bay, sent him down a copy of a column of matter which appeared in oiiq.'uf the newspapers said to belong. to or controlled' by the lion member for Napier;' that: was written by a correspondent from .Hastings, which town was part of the Herctaunga block, The grievance was that the in: snrance department had not considereijSr desirable to lend a lariroloan to the"to 3 because legal proceedings were, curreft as to the title of that block, '-This correspondent furthor stated that, tho Government had lodged a caveat against bringing any portion of the Heretauuga. Block under the Laid Transfer Act. That. he might say was the case. The articlo suggested that the Insurance Association should be bwycotted, and he did hot know what was the inconsequence of this awful outrage. When he saw this paper he wont to Captain Russell, member for Hawkes

Bay, whom cveryono know they could trust as a gentleman, and said it was an extraordinary thing that Mr Orinond \m saturated with ideas of this kind and asked him whether, since Mr Ormond had called for the Committee to make an impartial investigation into tho Govern-. ment Insurance Association, ho thought he could trust him to conduct ifc impartially, or was it worth his while to bring tho matter before the Houso. Mr Russell said " I think you can trust him," and he did not therefore bring it before tho Houbo, Ho would further say in conclusion that beforo Mr Ormond, indulged in that system of accusation and mud throwing he was so fond of ho would do well to remember that in the pages oL Hansard thero wero district charggsj against him which he would not meafc/ni tho effect that he bad abused his public position for his own private ends, and that he had better, beforo ho did any further mud throwing try to clear liimjolf.'

Sir Robert Stout corroborated Sir Julius Voxel's statement bo far as concerned "'■ Mr Ormond'a submitting names to tlie Colonial Treasurer. Mr Ormond said he believed he went by invitation to submit tho names and though he did not remember the Dames, he bolicved the gentlemen he named were impartial and had no personal feeling against Sir Julius Vogel. Be certainly told the Colonial Treasurer they were going to try him. Sir Julius Vogel asked MrTolo whether lie would be on the Committee, and Mr 'Pole did not refuse. He (Onnond) did not mention Mr Fisher though he believed that gentleman- was on the original Committee. Having great respect for Mr Fisher he would- bo the. . last person to tioat him with tho indignity Sir Julius Vogel stated. Ho repeated that he bad told Sir Julius Vogel it bo improper for him to boon tho Commit-W too because tboy werogoing fcotry him. AsV to Sir Julius Vogel's statement that j)Q ■ did not get reasonable opportunities to . state his case, the lion, gentleman was reflecting on other members of the Com- ■ imtteo as well as hiimelf. Ho (Ormond) challenged members of the Committee to 'j say whether ha did anything impfeer ./..::■ or failed to give tho Colonial TreaSraer '• overy opportunity to make good his case. Sir Julius Vogol'n statement with'refer* ' ence to tho charges made against hira ;" (Ormond) was totally incorrect, but a ' ; much stronger term could be used. He " i defied Sir Julius Voeol to prove that he ! ever abused his public position, and he ' wished the Colonial Treasurer had the same reoord. The hon. gentleman ym not one who could B tand up :jh. tho House and say that he was in' that position. That Sir Julius yqed'a Government was not one that could shew an untainted record, he (Mr Ormond) put

on record there the judgment of the Housowith regard to Sir "Julius Voxel's conduct. What was the verdict of the Houso with respect to the District railway when the public nionoy wns wrongly Riven away by the sanction and connivance of that lion gentleman /-that the Houso, unanimously regretted the transaction referred to as calculated to seriously affect and impu;;.i the integrity of any gentleman connect J therewith, and that it ma calculated to give rise to scandal. fl&fflie could point to him (Ormond) as having been gui'ity of such conduct as that,