Adjourned Debate.—Friday.

New Zealander, Volume 5, Issue 318, 16 June 1849, Page 1 (Supplement)

Adjourned Debate.— Friday.

Mr. A. Stafford rose to resume the adjourned debate on the Address in answer to the Speech from the Throne. He commenced by stating that he shoulo address himself to some of the observations made b. the honorable gentleman. tUe member lor Montrosi.

The honorable gentleman asked the agricultural mem bers what they proposed for the relief of their panic lar interest. And well he might ask that questic for not only was no allusion made to that interest the Speech from the Throne, but neither the noole Ie who had moved, nor the honorable gentleman who •• conded the motion for the adoption of the addreit, a verted in the remotest way to that important top' (Hear, hear.) If he understood the honorable gent man (Mr, Hume) aright, his statement amounted this, that the constituencies of this empire were well satisfied with the workings of the new syste . free trade, that they would (not, under any pret - ever return to the old system, which expire night ; but if the honorable gentleman would re the intelligence which they had learned of the re- ■> which had taken place in a neighbouring count, would find though France had abolished her monv and her form of government, a disposition ha '"> evinced to return to protective duties, and it wa* 7 means chimerical to indulge the hope that the tit not far distant when France would adopt the i tire system which England had abolished. "<?• he would ask the honorable gentleman if he ' found in his intercourse with society, • not sotted farmers," as agriculturists had been wish expressed during these few weeks, i should be a fair but a low duty upon corn ? lr ask where they were to get the £300,000 obtc the sliding duties scale which had just expire free trader looked not to the interest of the but the protectionists looked to the interest i producer and consumer. They could not magnitude of the interests involved, and tb/ their old labouring poor, and they were meeting the heavy charges by framing tcxr cordance with a statesman-like, system at cordanoe with an impracticable theory. — Su ville said that government were perfectly re t pose any measures which were likely to be *. to alleviate the sufferings of the people. Wit to whit had been said concerning the Irish p committee, he had to reply that it was not usur derstood that the members of the committees ( pou the task with a determination to be una No; they entered upon the investigation for tL pose of hearing and collecting the best evidence which they arrived at a result. He confessed It surprised to hear the exaggerated statements ot Grattan. That honorable gentleman had said l.s a ruined man. (Roars of laughter.)— Mr. Gratt (jumping up, and with much emphasis)— No, j (Laughter.) — Sir VV. Somerville thought he heau honorable gentleman say that if he was a younge he would leave Ireland, as staying would lead becoming a ruined man. — Mr. Grattan : Hear, . ' — Sir W. Somerville : Now what did the house i was the rate of taxation in Celbridge, the mint which the honorable gentleman was connected '■ ' rate was I\\. in the pound. (Roars of laughter.) Mr. Grattan (raiding his hands and eyes aloft) — O ' oh !— -(Laughter.)— Sir W. Somerville : The expene « ture was 7jd. in the pound, so that the Celbridge rain had now money in the bank. Tbe hon. and learuu gentleman alto said that 400,000 able-bodied ineu could not obtain employment, and that they were receiving rations of one penny a day ; now this was an erroneous statement, since the highest number during the year in receipt of relief was 65,000 (hear, hear.) He was bound to state that there were many parts of Ireland in which the people were not so poverty, s'ricken as was represented.— Mr. Grattan explained : Thank God he was not an Irish Secretary (cheers). The rates in the Celbridge Union, which were voluntarily contributed by many of the landlords, amounted to Is. 3d. in the pound. They taxed themselves, and got rid ol the hon. gentleman the Government had sent over from Dowaiug-street. — Sir J. Walsh hopsd the appointment of a committee on the Poor-laws would not be made a pretext for getting rid of the question for the present session, — Mr. M. Milnes defended the Government from the attacks made upon it by Mr. Disraeli.— Mr. Horsman could not support the amendment moved by Mr. D'sracli ; and as little could he support it on the ground of its objections to the foreign and financial policy of the Government.— Mr. F. Scott supported the amendment —Colonel Sib thorp supported the amendment, although he yielded to no man in loyalty to the Queen. — Sir DeLicy Evans supported the address.— Mr. Urquhart coidially supported the amendment, and severely commented on the foreign policy of the Government, which was calculated to degrade the Crown and the country.— Loid Palmerdton • We have been accused of sending an ambassador post-haste to Paris after the Revolution. Now, the relations between countries can only be carried on by Governmenti, which are the organs of nations ; it is only by those organs that nations can communicate wuh nations. What bukinets have we to inquire whether the French nation wishes a Monarch, an Emperor, a President, or a Consul ? (Cheers, and counter cheers.) Our object and our duty is to cement the closest ties of friendship between ourselves and our nearest neighbour, one of the greatest powers of Europe—that neighbour of whom it was justly said that in war she would bs our most powerful enemy, but in peace our most useful friend (cheers.) There is nothing in the real interests of England and France to stand in the way of the most cordial friendship between the nations (cheers.) There may be prejudicei and passions, but reason and calm reflection are beginning to teach the nations themselves that there is nothi» the real interests of the two countries that can i> „ riously clash, and that it is for the good of both to t , tivate the most friendly relations (cheers.) The •»: ment there was a Government that assumed a su-mi nent character, credentials were exchanged ; aiu! i>i . , that time the relations between the two country been sustained in the ordinary way (hear, heo< ) „ this contributed tj the peace of the world (cheers.) The Government of which I had to be a member was able by mediatiou to • rupture between France and the United .' also to make peace between France and tl of Mexico. Other sm iller but important > do not mention (a laugh). Mock media -vould suppose that mediations were mure! Jraraas got up for amusement and leading -_v ,

T-l « >Le m dilation bet^ei Dennuaik and Prussia. V M»atn Licclnti ' -t'ou's? Far from if It w«s f t , , i 'hip t ! ''scounu- was a e lied to undertake; an-i, If < u 1. 11 li - ..ot yt come to a final close, it has at URi b'i-l t .«• M(lvu)tig« of obtaining a suspension of hostilities. It 's uec-iUbe we prcvt-nted a war in Italy, which would hnv} infallibly led to war in Europe 5 it it because, in joining France in her sincere and pacific offers of friendly mediation, we prevented events which must have brought on a general war — that we are now impeached by the lion, gentleman opposite (cheers). Then as to the mrdia'ion between Naples and Sicily That mediation was repeatedly asked by a person who in (following the example of the h m. member for Buckinghamshire) I may cjll the X n? of Napl'B (cheers). The gtvat object this country has at heart, is that, next to the maintenance of the interests of this country, we should insure the maintenance of peace (cheers), peace with the rest of the world ; and next that we should, if jiosiiblf, prevent the wars of other nations (hc»r, hear). Have these objects bpen accomplished? They have been accomplished, and for that I say there i* matter of congratulation in so far as it can be ascribed to the action of the government o f this country (hear). We have the satisfaction of thinking that the mediation of England and France upon (hat occasion prevent d great calamities in Sicily. The member for Dorsetshire said that the Spanish qovt rnment had last year offered an affront to the government of England. We desired the Minister of Spain to go back to Madrid in consequence of the Minister of England having been desired to quit Madrid for London ; and although I admit that it was an affront, although I feel that reparation is due (hear, hear),Jyei I am nut prepared to go the length of the hon. gentlemen who think that we ought to have dedared war in order to revenge that insult. I leave the house to decide between us, and I confidently look to the verdict which the hou?e will give — The MarquU of Granby moved the adjournment of the debate.— Lord J. Rusiell said he woul take the sense of the House aga'nst the adjournment of the dehate, —Mr. Herries said the debate was by no means exhausted, and he had himself a desire to address the house upon the subject.*- The Marquis of Grauby said the amendment had b;en prepared with great atten* tion, snd he thought it was of importance that it should he fully discusied. The houss divided—* Against the adjournment ........ 221 For the adjournment 81 Majority 140 Mr. Disraeli then said, that understanding from the noble lord that they would be at liberty to discuss hereafter every subject referred to in the address, be would not further press his amendment. — The address was then agreed to.