WATER SUPPLY

Gisborne Times, Volume XVIII, Issue 1487, 22 June 1905, Page 2

WATER SUPPLY

MR lIA'Y TO STATE TERMS Oj ENGAGEMENT.By the Tallinn from the South ydj ilerday Mr Roibterb Hay, 0.E,, | Dunedin, arrived for the mi.rtjosc ' I eqnfei ring with llte Borough Couaiq I in regard i.o- a Wafer uc.honie for Gij I borne. 11c met the Council in fill aitcii.oo'n. when the following mothers wore present : ‘His Worship 11 Mayor (Mr .1. Townlcy), Crs Briigh; Rees. Lysfiar, Webb, Hanuing,, Collf ami Wtoinray. Tho Mayor introduced Mr Hay ’> khe meeting, ami .stated that he ws in. iCf-sborne in response to a resoltion passed by lire Council, defcaiuig the terms moon which the Colei i were prepared to consider Ji'isi <- 'gagement. The Cqulncil wore if opinion that steoi-riviettcid pipes hit been SiillicicnVly 'tested to justif their use in the waterworks. af they hail desired Air Hay to ‘Vi* Gisborne to make arraingomania A’ the work. The Mayor further ported out that Air. Hay lrad adc®li the spiral pipes for a portion of le mains, and l/hey should hear frill

him whether he was in favor of iopfing them for the whole worl.they should first hear Mr Hay’s 'uSWCI.

Mr Hay Said that lie had gite carefully into tho question, and lorn the information which he had ullccted, lie was prepared to reerninend the spiral steel pipes for the whole works. He quoted a nu|Lhcr or places in, di,CTercn:'u uarts of he world where the pipes mentinod had been ,uscd, mid in each case,hey

had given every satisfaction. Jiionc 1 place they had been used for twnty years and were not affected. In) tew I Zealawd there were about fart-five I miles of spiral pipes, and lie p.csqn- I ally had used large {Quantities ‘for I hydraulic u.urpiOKCS- Continuin;, Ml' I Hay. quoted the Opinion ol' Mr I Thwailes, tho engineer of the Mel-1 bourne work's, ail'd Mr Dayfdstil,. lu-j Bpccto.r-G oncral in. Victoria, tfo lat-1 ter with a, norsonal experienced' 181 years, an,d sionio of the mains being in most unfavorable ground.! Ci, the question of corrosion, he th'oifiat it would be useful .to. q-uote -tho opinion of a chemist. He read tie report of Professor Black, ’to whom lie had ham.Hed tWe analysis if Te Arai water. That: genUemani'av.qred using tbo pipes, properly qated,' considering steel much preferaile to cast-iron. Mr Mestayer had qao rehor.ted highly in their favpr, He had not tile slightest hesitation in recommending them, and ■bad. dme so recently; for tho Auckland tujpply. Mr I Jay. thought, from the sdisfac--tory evidence he had collected the Council would bo fully justified ‘in adopting the steel mains. in conclusion, Mr May, renarked : ■“ Your resolution states thx if 1

appro've of them I stoail carjy out the work, tout I do not wish yojn to he hou.n|d to this in any, way In) no

way do I desire ygu! to takethe resolution as binding on you. I do not wish it to be said that ] recommended these piipoa in order to get your wcYk-’i Or Lysinan : AVl iy did you yrile to ] the Council stating yep had no' experience in regard ito. those if.ipe.si 1 iYou disuPlP.riO.vqd of them both ot •your reports.ih May : I have always told ■ you quite frankly that L had no experience of- them', but . Since receiving tins resOvuitiom li have acquired, in-

formation about [them .which causes •me to favor, ftliem. I have valuable repeats from Professor Black and

Air Mestayer.; Personally,- T have had no experience ini placing .these pipes underground. Cr Ivysnar : In England you could get no satisfactory;, report in regard to them. Air May : X found they had been

extensively, used on the Continent. The principal tilling itt Connection With these pipes is the coating, which must be properly, put on., Ce Wfcinray, asked Mr Hay i£ he had finy experience of galvanised •steel .pipes. It had been suggested to him that they might be used. Air Hay stated that he had never seen galvanised steel pipes used. Me thought they would he .rpry costly. Cr Bright : Have you decided in y.our own min'd what gauge pipe you will recommend to the Council. Mr Hay : My present idea is a twelve-inch pipe. Mr Bright : Is that what has’ been USe'd in other places ?, Mr Hay .: It depends on, [the pressure.

In answer bo Cr. Lydnar, Mr Hay said that lie liiatl not made ulpi bis mind in regard to load joints in. pjreicrccce to rubber, hands. Cr Lysnjar : What is the longest period yojui bayo known .these pipes in the colony; Mr I-lay,: I cannot tell yo!u ! . X liay : e giycn; "you the opinion ’ ,0,1 a number of pcoDle,,Gc Lysnar : /Yon b;a,yo got Mils information. from iihe makers. Sit Hay : -X halve gathered it from ail sources. Cr Lysnar, t You h-atve no hesitation in the matter p£ recommencing them now ■? Mr, Hay : I wot®! not recommend them if 1 had. Cr, Lysnar challenged Boone M the acfcirnialioin 'quoted by Mr, l-lay. seating that he had communicated with one of the engineers mentioned by Mr Mestaycr "as, adproying of the pipes, and the gentleman! in quesrlion had denied having done so. Mr Hay : Ho never said that be rccommemided them. He simply stated, that he had seen them in use. Cr LysinOx quoted., the opinion of an engineer in Wellington, who bad advised that on tvlic score of durability and economy cast iron pipes wore much to ho preferred to. steel riveted pipes. Cr Bright: We did not -ask for that; opinion. •Cz Lysnar : Nor did we ask lor the opinions Mr IJ'ay has quoted, I say that some of the infoirination collected by the Mayor and Mr Hay. is not. correct.

Cr Bright: But ybjif w.o,uihl. say, itiiat if yarn were Hying. (Laughter).-. Cr Lysnar : I bad tho pleasure.'of paying £3 ’3s for the information. Cr, Bright : Quite right, but you, <Io trot tell the Council ~the terms or file letter, you sent. Cr' Harping : Cr Lysnar sent downhis own conditions. I suppose Ire mentioned, all about the salts".' Cr Lysnlan : I ask Mr 3 lay it there is hot tenl per. cent, of salts in the' Te Ar-af water. Mr Hay : I am not a chemist. Councillors objected to Cr Lysnar taking up the time of the meeting, which was called t<o deal with the question of pipes only. Cr Lysnar said that be bail a good ileal to ask Mr H'ay. If the Council tried to throttle information they would have to answer to the ratepayers. He was determined to have tjho matter discussed. Cr Harding : .You say that a man makes a statement, anil that- you have it- in wiitinlg.. If you have produce the letter. Cr Lysnar: The letter is a confidential one, and I cannot make use of it

The Mayor : The letter did not. go from "the CaunciL

Mr Lysnar assured j\lr Hay that he was- in) no way hostile to him, and only desired that- the fullest iilforniiation should be obtained.

In answer to questions by Cr Lysnsr, Mr Hay said that the change in the estimate he hsd made regarding the cost of reticulation was duo to the amalgamation of tho suburbs with the borough. The extended area was net included in lrs first estimate. Un suggested the reservoir being close to tho source, so as to have a long length of nipes and better prrsmre He did not think the country in the vicinity of Te Aral was a 3 bad as Cr Lysnar would have them believe. Ho intended the reservoir to bo about 420 ft high. The thickness of pipe would be tested nplto 600 ft pressure. Provision waa made for upwards of 400 fire cocks, the distance apart being 300 ft. \

Cr" Bright rroposnd, and tho Mayor seconded, “ That Mr Ha\ {jiving approvt 3

of tbo stool pipes for tho Giabomo watet- - works scheme, ho bo i-cquestiid to Into terms and details, ar.d that meeting bo be.ld to consider tbo iffy Cr Harding it.-ongly supported tbo motion. It wits bis chief ambition to sea

a water supply obtained for Gisborne, and ho thought it was rt ln r t within view. Cr Lysn"- regrotted be tvas unablo lo vets for the motion. He contended tb»t

the Council practically leaping in the dark. 110 coo»-idored ihu& the schomo proposed i>,v Mr Royoolds at a ccai* of an additional JE2OOO \v;n free from doubt and much to bo p efarrod to Ibe cno undoc consideration. (Jr Bright rose to a point- of order, stating tbats if Or JLiyewar worn allowed to proceed he for one was going homo. Or Lyenar (hotly): There is tho door; you go. Cr Bright : I am not going home. Cr Lysnar : I am not go to be muzzled by you. Continuing, Cr Lvsnar at some length urged tho advisability of bringing the service nearer Gisborne, at any rate on the Gisborne side of tbo Te Aral river. If they did not do this they would one day find them stives with a dry pipe. Cr Harding : Are we here to instruct Mr Hay? t t , Tho Mayor: Mr Hay has not yet decided where tho reservoir is to go. Cr Colley : We ere not here to engineer the engineer. Cr Hording to Cr Lyenar: For tho first time in your life try and bo with tho Council. After further discussion the motion was put and carried, Crs Lysuar and Webb voting against it. . _ , Cr Webb stated that he was not satistied in regard to tho pipes which it was proposed to use. Cr Whinrcy said that ho would like Mr Hay to obtain some information in regard to tho practicability of using galvanised steel pipes. Mr Hay promised to telegraph and get particulars for Cr Whinray. It was decided that the Council should hold the special meeting to receive and consider Mr Hay’s Jenns on Saturday | evening. Z