HIGHER EDUCATION

Dominion, Volume 13, Issue 105, 28 January 1920, Page 8

HIGHER EDUCATION

LL.B. SUBJECTS RE-GROUPED

THE HONOURS COURSE

By Telegraph—Press Association. Dunedin, January 27. At to-day's session of the University Senate it was resolved, on the recommendation of the Finance and Law Committee: "That the grouping of subjects of the LL.B. be'altered (is follows:'(1) Constitutional history, (.2) jurisprudence, (3) International law, (•!) conflict of laws to l>o separate subjects; and that it bo no. longer necessary that constitutional history niul jurisprudence or international law and conflict of laws be passed at the same examinations." On the same recommendation it was resolved: "That a candidate bu.not allowed to take any two subjects for a section of the LL.B. degree as in the new courses for tlio B.A. and B.Sc. degree, but Umt candidates who pass, in any two of iho following .'iibjeot.s bo credited therewith, ■viz.—English, Latin, mental and moral philosophy, Roman law, contracts, property 1, properly 1." In other respects, it wns decided that the present regulation should remain in force. ■ The following were appointed examiners for tho LL.B.'nnd law professional examinations: Property 1. A. E. MeeK, M.\. LL.B.; property 11, P. Levi, ALA.; tort* If. D. Bamford. 8.A.. LL.B.; contracts, H. 1 , , von "Haast, JI.A, LL.B.; Minimal law, H. F. O'Lcary, LL.B.; endence, H. H. Ostler, LL.B.; procedure, J. L. Stout, LL.B.; law of Xew Zealand (so far as it differs from the law of Biiffland), C. J. 'funks (Auckland); commerces and accountancy, industrial law, C. J. Tunks; rights and duties of trustees under wills and of receivers, A. 11. John; stone, 8.A., LL.B. (Auckland); law of bankruptcy, T. Nenve, 8.A., LL.B..Wellington) ; law of joint etock companies, .1. S. Barton, S.M. • (Gisborne); mercantile law-■(stage 1), H. P. Richmond, 8.A., LL.B. (Auckland); mercantile law (stage a), John O'Shca, M.A., LL.B. (Wellington). ■ . ■ • • ~, Discussion was Tesumed on the.following motion by Dr. Gttray (clttuso 1 of the Arts and Commerce Committees report): "In clause 5 of the B.A: Statute the words 'provided further that a candidate who takes two languages as ~,.,-,,,,,;.,.i cjijijccts shall take three other subjects at the pass grade/ shall be deleted." , ~,,., Professor Dottmann faid that his nandican of giving an extra subject to those going for honours in languages was preventing many promising students from continuing their language studies. Hβ believed that matriculation was too easy and the degrcq in general too easy, but if inade heavier it should be made heavier all round. ' Professw Segar said that if this motion was carried there was an equal grievance left in respect to .a largei number of subjects. The position was a littlo difficult to laymen, but lie would try to explain it. , At one. time there iras no "repeat" subject for honours— everybody had to take six subjects. Then the single "repeat" was given to relievo all honours students of one subject, so that they might devote moro attention to advanced work. When this had been in operation for a year or two, the second "repeat" came in. It was again intended, in tho interests of the honours student, that he might give moro attention to his advanced work. What wax not approached at the time but had. become evident now, was that it went further, and let the honours student in languages off another subject. If this motion was carried, tho other courses could not be developed in tho same degree as the honours course in languages. ' Tho motion was lost by 11 votes-, to 8, f-bo voting being-: For—Professor Macmillan Brown, Dr. Cameron, Professor Dettmann Professor Gilray, Mr. von Haast, Mr. JTamtn, Professor Heivitson, Pro--\Vil. Ai'iiiHt—Mr. A'dams, Pvofrwor Benham. Professor Ferguson. Professor Hight, Pressor Hunter. Professo/ Kirk. Mr. llahon, Professor Scott, Professor Segar, Mr. Tibbs, and the Chan cellor. Professor Wall moved tho next claiißO referring to the previous motion, viz.: "1/ the proviso bo retained, the student nroceedini U> honours in two languages shall not be cV sen! to offer both these lanfrnagps at tho advanced prade for B.A. and in any case tip proviso as it stand* shall not apply to students proceedinn to honours in a s.'ngle language." This was carried > . Professor Wall moved next /the following clause in tho Arts and Commerce Committee's report (also bearing on samo issue):—"That fach language bo a su'h ipfit for honours, and thnfc a candidate for lronows in a language slmll take an other language at the advanced grade as well as his .subject for honours; provided that candidates shall still be permitted to take honours in tiro languages, ag afr present prescribed." Mr. Von Haast said that professors preferred n degree in two languages, and this was merely an expedient suggested to get over tho handicap referred to ir th» earlier discussion. ProfesJor Wall moved: "That tho early part of the mot'on down to 'proviso' bo omitted in the meantime." Professor MacMillan Brown said that if this was passed they ivould have to draw up a much more severe course in a single language. Us was against less, than two languages for honours. Professor Wall, in reply to this crit : - cism, said that the' student who took honours in a single language was bound to study another, language in three out of four yean The first part of tho motion down to the nroviso was carried, and subsequent' ly tho proviso itself was added on the voices.