ADDRESS-IN-REPLY

Dominion, Volume 7, Issue 2198, 10 July 1914, Page 4

ADDRESS-IN-REPLY

DEBATE maori';landjuws / •, Mr. O PARATA (Southern Maori) 1 »resumed tho debate on tho Address-in-Reply. Ho spoke'of Natire lands, declaring that the*Go\eminent were leaving their vsalfhy- pakelia friends in - ' of Kuge areas of land, and sotting about to despoil the Maori of <• his fow acres k He contendod that'the , right given to Maoris* to-become Europanised had led to <thoir selling their lands without • tjte protection of the Maori Land ensure their getting a fair deal. ' Generally, he accused the Mmist&r'of lack of knowledge jf Nativo,affairs",/He£al.-so accused Dr., 1 Vomaro of having t gone back on his election pledgo to vPtovfdr Sir James Cnrroll's Nativo land policy. ' v Who Had Changed? The Hon Dr. POJfAP.E said ho would not have nson to speak but for > the irresponsible remarks of Mr Parata, in bringing tho opinions of other people on his political views on to the floor of tho Houso Hisi(Dr Pomaro's) views had always been well known to the \ Natives of this countrj, and ho had & never changed them There was not |j .1 tittle of evidence to support tho hon|J curable gentleman's general denuncia- » tion of tho Government That honourablo gentleman had changed his own I ' opinions In his maiden speech 111 tho Houso Mr Parata had said "Until i, quito recently the Nativo legislation ' was a positive disgrace" "He was" '>, condemning his own side wholesale' — He was then politically honest," commented Dr Ponuro > Mr. Parata Read on ' ' Dγ Pomare "It is not worth reading , But I will read on 'I don't know whether it was that numbers of this Houso did not know what they were doing, 'out it,,is'jabsolutely a public scandal" TIuW hie the honourable gentleman's words The Native land r pohev'of his own side was a public t scandal That is,the honouiable gentlc- & man's opintoh ,, ononis own side of the House He was pure His political p morality had not been tampered 'with f Now we~|fiiii:l,liinsgoinE» back on his words " v '"Mr-'Parata had^attacked.the member for Marsden foi having said that eyeivjacro of land., Maori land, as well utilised feurelv a man ought not to bo condemned for saving that land should be utilised Mr Parata had likewise said the Goverumentisipolicy of givmg the Maori all the rights of a European had worked ill to the Maori But Dr I Pomaro quotcdjfrom Mi Parata's own speeches 111 the Houso to show that this very course of giving the Maon all tho rights of Europeans, making them equal imdei the'Jaw',>had > bee'n advocated by Mr Parata --'•-- J The Truth of the Matter. , It was idle talk to saj that the 'present Got eminent had taken awaj any of the Natives , nghts, m icipect of tho West Goist reieivt-s Under the legislation of the late Government the natives had ken lobbed of their land'for ull time IJndei the piesent Governments legislation they nould get it back in ten \eais And when the Nntncs of J'aiamki came down to mtcri V i O L,V" James Cail oH) to ask that the USUUlJiacres lomaiiiing should j,ot bo taken away from them, Sll James Car--1011 had said "We'll use tho 18 000 acres to wipe awav join tears " Absolute njpocrisj of tho noist tvpol For .it tho time when Sll James Carroll H nas saying he would wipe away the f toirs of the Natives v ith tho 18,000 lores still left, the Government had a Uill dratted, and'-thcir-. speeches tvpe--1 written by theii,legal adviser, to take « w f these lS,oPp;ac;ies ,;,When the I Natives tound that ( the Government . were not ticitinjr them faiilv, they nsked him (Di 'Poinare/ to stand- not 1 m the interest James Carroll 1 but to doile bv the < ate Government , He woiild ask the - liouourablo gpntleiaan to go tp'his own colleagues ofUho AVaul Adriiimstration 1 sn , rt l ° e ifackeiizio Admmistiation, and i ask them what thoj thought about it 1 before making attacks 'Tou push , mo a little hardpr, and jou will get a j little more thati you think," said Dr 1 Pomare -■ I^- ' ~D t Pom *™ "The honourable gentleman is fishing, as usual, just as he • y ent to fish the Red Feds of tins counI try 1 dont know how manv Red Feds ho caught, but thej cni-ght him " Dr Pomaro denied that ho hid over j stood as a supporter of Sll James Carroll's policy If that iveio so, why hid r the then Government sent telegraiin I wholesale—memo telegrams, too, by tho [ waj—tolling Natives all over his cloc--1 torate not to vote for him ? Mi Parata , had spoken with hoiror of his own people buying motor cars "Whj," said ' Dr Pomare, "ho would have a motoij car himself if ho could got one " Honesty and Dishonesty.

Mr A II lIINDMARSII (Wellington South), discussing the statement frequently made that tho present Opposition wore allied with the Labour L'artv, said that at last election Tih Dovimon had stoutly advocated an alliance of L.iboui and Reform to oust tho then Goicrnmcnt, but Tui' Domimov hid nudo an exception against him He deprecated thq sUtoments which Lo alleged \iere / being mado bv mombeis of tho Government partj tliat all tho honeetj was on then side of tho House, and all the dishonesty on the other He vvaß at to try, to show that

'Vj^^.". ■".■" '"■'■■ -■■ ■'•■■'!.■ ■: :■ ■ -'■ ■'itbei'mem]}er. for Patea, as Cliairman of' "tte/Eoc&jßiils Committee; had strenu-■ouslyTa'dy^ted-the/exclusion from th'e rating'a'rea|nsed. by the ;Wnhganui-Har-bour district, in. which his v pwn land.iijapsi.tuatcd. / ; .'■ It. isn't excluded. ■ , -. --,Mr.. Hiridinarshi quoted from a paper piiblisTieti district, an article at T > for"liis action iii: ;corihectionVwith';iho'Bill.;j ;'. ': •■ . ; I i.',-Mri;!;P ; earce:i : iload the;apology that ipafe^pubjiihed.t/';;/;';;.. /, -■"•.;.:'■ .'•'■■ , v. did'/not read tho apoli^gj^b'ufifent.on ■with-'t'he .-.' Jlf;'. Peafce,.' rosa. to protest..against .'the.rreadirig/'of;.a':,statement , .which w,aa absphitely.'u'ntrue;; .Tliel paper had. pul)Jished; an 'apblo'gy; for having printed it. ;-yiMr. .Hiiitlmarsh went on to. speak, of , ..tHe.'j'.Goy.e'rrim'ent's. land policy,■■■ saying thatyand jwas",iipt being cut up for sot;Why had;the Governmerit'ilotHaken land held.in huge ;blcfpk«>7m:Hawke's Bay ?.It was true that some remote areas there,', but/iWliyiiad iliey. not bought land near, : ffistm'gS'R.il-JHo j beloved' that: the ..free-: : 'hpld;;\tenjri ; always make aggre-V . gatiqn ■' possible, .".whereas if. some. hold 'Were^ ; retymed?; ; by-: tho?State, over . landiiiaggregations could /be ,proventedj'-; . TJntUiiJourilanditwas; settled 'more closely ■ / the/.;3e^en'c , e):pf;-oiir.:«)witry could, never, , ;beV6ccure;;S^t ,; t V:;S v -:'.'"- ;: '-.;'!-.'■■ '■,'■ //■"' >//S'i'' "Changed ;Views. •'■•';'•■ .■/■■■ -/ CAMPBELL /^lawke'a 1 ';BayV!!cpmpareii-;Mr. ''flindmarsh's;. re-, imarks., with? some:.he.' had . raado before /the/present : GbveiTimerit/came.into of-i Jncel:/ ; Theny'Mr.v; Hiiidmarsh ; had . said. ,that'' I ho.> , wished'to. thank.Mr. Jlassey ■ for'/•haying /put .1 the '■■ Labour; Party in , m, position to control ; the,'situation.: The lliabour-; ,policy/.;had /been; up , ; till' ;tbon j^to^ybfefor/the' Opposition and hreak JthißT s : ;shado^' ;i df?.Liberalism-wliich ,;has. ;Keld i.Labour •/in.-./chairis for' the /last, ttwenty v years/" ; :';';/ ' : . \ "■/ . ;-' :; ' / ' ; rMr;tFisher:.?ls./that,.:the same/Mr. , . -H;>;:.: r] : ' ;■■■ ;■''■'-'i ■:./, Mr:;Canipbell:-';I-.think it Is/. '■■ '■■• ■" ' / :■„.ilry.Hiridmarsh:'' 1 'stick to that. \ • ; hie;; statement, that , he 'ivbuld",'got./aU/ne could.from both par-.; ties/; .remarking'-that !'Mr;. ; , Hinflmarsh. was i selfish: himself,;/but would not tol-'' ..erate/what hei6U3gested : -was • selfish -in; btheiNS. Abbut'thq; Liberal Party'.s land policy, .'■ Mr. : ;-Hindmarsh; had ■' said. , -that" thati; party, 'aftef.:twenty, : years', ,had : practically no;land policy.'■':'■ In that he. i was , perfectly.:rigliW: -Butvie ; was'wrong'; .iircocdemnirig.the. , freehold,', which''was' ; .certainly,the.b?st tenure for-the coun-.' try.' at largp. •. The Government had purchased; a.great deal, 6i '-laud. for •'settle-' 'nient.; ■"■:He v cbntfasted>/the i■ action' of tho persent Government in buying Na--tiye. land : 'alprig/;thetfo"ute,'6fph% eas'ft coast railway; wiilithat"'bfvthe/late Government iii. delaying the purchase of ;N.atiye iland,along the Main .Trunk.line .ufttil'/'eome/ -tiiiie:':: after; -the'-iin'e : - thtbughy .'.lT.he> result, was'.the 'creation , of a-;.number;?bf l .:,wealthy' Maori 'land/.lords./;, Heiithought /wealthy, -landlords, '■. Native 'ior/i'pakehai ,, ;■& 'bad-'. thing (or■■: the;.:cp'ontry,-ibelieving as. he, did (that. settlementi.iri small f recholds^woiUd . ■jiriug'pro'sperity:;'to;. New /Zealand- ■ ae' it: had- toother, countries. He iinder.itpod; a Lie'eising Bill was to cpmevbefore - the House: :this session.: "When the ; Bill cpnios down, , ''he said,;"Lhope it; will; contain ■ :something ; to ■ dp; .away . ;this,?cpun-> .try.'vl'don't.belieyejiri No-License,/and <,t;haYe;;nevea:;-niade : any: : jreterice of- do-: iingjsb.t. De':iii l the:interests/bf,-tie'cbijritry./ The'tied.'ihpiiee evil;,i^ :, doing'harm, /and if. any--thine (.will;/carry Jffo-Liciense it'js r -the' tied-house evil, arid not the Prohibition ■vote.-"^ , ;:.;;^;.;.;-*^/; , /'-.; -.; : V;:- -.j ,, . ;/-.= ; '"•'; :t "-- ■ ■■ : -:-/ Strike Hjstory. -Ji\ '' Mi; J; /M'COMBS -> (Lyttelton). 1 said that the. object of 'tlie.workers'was to, create' an organisation of , defence, arid ' the Employers' Federation, oh the other ■hand;: were/outjto-create;an organiea-: tion'for attaclji; ;He wpuld ■ seek' to prove that in:the. 'strife both ; organisation*■; had'fliyed . to • 'theirj prpppsed'-diWs'as he,'had outlined ihemi It;. was /clear,; from utterances of the' fyijfti Epiployers'-Federatibri','• he claimed^.;that their object was to create .a;/Dominionkorganisation, the : . whole. ..strength -. ofjwliicli - was ,to be used 'to" defeat , tho workers at any iwint 'where .t n e.,:workers/opposed. them. ■' So DlietroublSifiWellirigton occurred they ivere'able/;to carry out their avowed , object, for»which they had "laid all their 'plans.'-'Tlr^Jj'orkers,were- np'fc opposed to arbitration, but'.thoy were opposed ; to the, way; tho-:Arbitration Act/'had' beeii;-used,, tp defeat; the very 'purpose of; arbitration. : /Dealing with the. -Waihi •striken She declared that the Mackenzie' .Goyernmeiitilad riot been able to settle , 'tho st'rike'/in/fortj'.-eight hours/because "prav.isipiLi was not then , - provided' for .bringing;a.settlement about. iAs'tb the recent industrial difficulty; it'had been made plain to him that there was going to bo ■; an.': attompt made by tho "Reformers"., to make political capital: out of tho conflict../'..They-had been making political capital "out.of all'the speecfiee mado:by the other side; they planned to makovpolitical capital out of the ■strike,.'and:"thcy intended it in order to capital. /Ofcourso it was true thatJMr.Nathan.liad' exposed tliat, ; ,and. said:- that, it .was': a ■ political -mpyd l •pii-:';;.tho./.-part',' ii ,:', the" : iitft\brdefe':to /'got:^back!' : into Vpffico. ,to 9 ;co'iitinue : : 'tho ■industrial/'conflict; .-■'A'.'great'deal, of 'educative ,wbrk would: ;haye;tp;bp?dbrio up 'and down tho Do-.tiiinip'.n.ytb'undo.'the-effect of sbino'of the; ifajso /statements that had; been /indusby. tlio paid journal- , lstic -tools of the lief orm - Tarty. •'.-•■:• '. ~ Concluding, he definitely charged tho .the: Prime Minister with .the/resppnsibilitj'.of the• continuance: ofithe industrial conflict from.November 3 onwards. Tho Government had the opportunity to settle it. but for political: reasons, at the: dictation' of a' political group, refused to. settle it, in order to make political capital out of it at tho general elections. '' , . , 'Encouraging Small Settlers. -' Mr. C/K, WILSON (Taumaruuui) declared that they ..were hearing a; lot 'about increased expenditure,. in high tones,; and that usual screech. As a matter of fact tho ..expenditure during the last, two years was , less than for .tho last year-of-the "Ward Administration. To-day there wero greater problems facing tlio country thai?.had faced them iritha past. The. great, question, the •most important guestion, was tho'ques-. tion of subdividing the land, and settling men on, it. -They had to differentiate between different land, when increasing the graduated land tax. Tho 'land;-they.;wanted was that adjacent .to■ the railways, and suitable for small holdings. 'Tjie kind of sottlei's they ought to encourage-'wore small holders who would farm their land intensely. The Prime. Minister had introduced.. a niore vigorous policy-than this country had known for many years. He was buying land wherever he.'cpi'ld, and sub-

dividing it for settlement, arid it was manifest, that tlio I'rime Minister's intention was to promote as rapid settlement as possiblo. Crown lands had been thrown open everywhere. The fciovernmont, however,.had'the further duty.of providing .access/to the lands.. This could;not bo,done in a day or a .yearj but it was the duty of tlie Government, to give it. Ho. knew of sections w'horo the-load for loading was very heavy, where interest was piiarged enough/to mako a' vory heavy rate, and no access had been given> although' the settlers had been ou the land tor sis years. He maintained/-that-, this • was a. breach :'o'f faith ,'on the part 'of, the State. / These people had entered into; a bargainX with the State;- andi.had agreed to.pay forthe road, 'and were still paying -for it. He , was glad tothink that this state of tilings would soon end. He thought the time,'liad arrived when instead ot bringing dowii. a loan of'a million of so every year,-the; Government should come'down with a bold progressive,.policy to borrow enough money to .complete all our worksin,the next live years. . Mr. Russell: Five millions?

Mr. Wilson: What's the good of.five millions'to make all our arterial roads, to make the East Coast railway? He agreed. /that/ our debt was heav>\ but. also r , - , tho possibilities or our country were enormous. The Government ..had done everything in their power to give assistance 'to tho settlers, and to;develop the country,arid much of {that money got.into the, hands of a typo of rnen whoso one object in. view was to discredit the, Government in tlie country. ■,/. V ,v' ■■ : ; ;--- -V ' \ ■■."■:■ .. ):' ■■' "■■■:. '■ ' -■; Maori Lands. The .member for Southern jMaorl had talked about the Maori land question, and the robbiiif* of the Native. There was one clear- fact, and -it was that f-'.that : Government, by . its ,'legislatio'iiv last, year, had kept within tho Treaty :;-. ; bf ' .Waitiuigi.' -, Tlie. " meiriber..;;for'./Christchurch North, said, that- ;the 'Government passed legislation '. ,to .jrob' , .the; Native. 'No : /. more. erroneous 'statement, was '.ever 'made: on a- .public: platfpra, , "and . the ' - member. Jinp\v'that'it was'-riot correct. • He.chal-lenged'them;.'to-urße:;tliat a.; board of in- , quiry should !be set up to inquire into the i dealings in. j Native,, land,for the. ; three':years prior'rtetlie'p'resent'ijoverni' .moht. coming fiito'.'office.f' "Such a 1 revclatidn;,Tv6uld; be ?riiade as^'Tvould, ■ astound the'coiuitry..," V/hy, laud, had passed through'the Native Land '.Board and , w-ithrn 24' hours men who wbre'in,'tlib position of speculators were asking £2 to;-.£2' ss. .for gbpdwill. Tlie Goyern-ment'to-day-jyae,;in,a. better. l position,; because they. ,, could deal with tlie indi T viduals': and-.'not'; tho collective ■ "ownersi Everyone 'iecognised that.,the" ■Government/'and/qriot:,the .speculator '.should ■have"theJ'firSt".chance in the' acquisition; of; Native lands./ There/was one "thing that 'hevcould 'assure : the'• '.Opposition, was ihatfthey were not -going Imcjfito, the taihoa policy of■ the past. ; ■(..- Appointment/ . '':'■'.There was. : anothcr;little score he was gdLug'to,'refer'lp--tholloyd Garlick appointment.; ;' ;1 "■.;■-■ •;','.!■ /: / -V, ;..'■ .'- ' ' '■■'-•' '■ .'Opposition Cries: Oh', oh'l be careful 1 ■ ■■;Mr,;,Wirson:!l.ain,goii]g.to mention' it;.beca , uise;one , of ;thei.strongest Liberal' ■men'■-■/.in..' tho -:.:country;' , ■ '■ and ' one , of o; theVv/best; ./Lab'our . "men, '■/ has spoken in. the: highest.' terms" of the ■ Minister, of Education./: .He referred to Mr. 'A;. W. ;Hogg. /;' There, could be' no doubt .about his politics. Heliadpaid la , -.compliment' to Mr'.' Allen on the steps' he''had taken to 'provide'.'suitable physical {training for school'children, and said', that ho ■ had "exercised a wise discretion in." appointing >Mr. Royd Gar:lick. ,to ' the ; position . he'- occupied. ;There 'had been a noticeable silenco about i that appointment for some-time, for it was/recognised that-the object' of ;the. Minister was sound,; and he was ■ getting: what; he had desired. Mr. 'Hogg's tribute was deserved. .-■ ; : v .'Sir- Joseph "Ward: What did 3' OU say. .about him,when; he was;a Minister?/ "''.''Mr'.- 1 Wilson: What'did you say'about him? ; ; (Laughter.) ;,: -.-..:,■.■■: - ■;■ -. i, -.'i , ;V : ';'" '■'■ •>■>'.- : '"-:'••'■.'■' ■■ .'■■.-. ' '■. ■ ■■.:.■• .%■■:)■; ' 7 : \)i: Naval Questions. r'.iiMrt." Wilson wont on' to deal with, thenavair question, and the position Sir Joseph Ward : took - up at tho -. Imperial. Conference, f. ■ He . said 'that".if the pre's.ont /Minister -'of .Defence suggested : such a,scheme as. a , .pei f -capita' tax of 10s, per> head, - arid; the. offer of two Dreadnoughts, .he 'wbiild vote against him; ■■■■' But tlj'e "Minister /had..a soheme !cb.un,iry.':--\ He was against giving .a Dreadj nought, to the British .Government if. it. ;did ,not 'increase/.the', number- ;"of; ships.' .They ga.ve a Dreadnought', and iininediately,tho British Government wiped one out : 6f'their, own, Estimates.' '. 'Sir Joseph Ward:. "I have been misrepresented.", ;i He added that ho never made" air■offer.-.bf. two Dreadnoughts at tfe'lmperial'Conference. ■■- .' y Mr... Wilson, read a cablegram ...dispatched by Sir Joseph Ward to the Imperial Government; offering to immediately, defray.' the cost: ; of 'one: 1 Dreadnought, if- subsequent;'events re-, quired, a second-Dreadnought wouldbo ..offered. ■, ■■!':'. ;' :: : v ■>;■■■■ ■■';■■■'.;,'..■'-'■' Joseph' Ward: The whole proposal was', subject, to. the ratification .of Par;liament,..and it was ratified.. "■ : '■' '/Personal explanations continued until 'half the;supper adjournment had been exhausted!"V:. ' .. '-; ' z> / ■ A-:'-;/ Series of' Replies. , ''■ ,■':. ■'■Mr; ;F. H. SMITH (Waitaki) said he'-wished .to congratulate the. new. member (Mr. M'Combs) on coming out in 'his.tnie colours, but ho proceeded toiput that honourable gentleman right about certain of, his • statements about tlio recent, strike. .Ho (Mr. Smith) said' that it was not the employers who.toro.upthb agreement, but tho Bed l?eds:;; : who wero out to set,all/agree-; riieiits at ! naught,-and deny them as soon as it was convenient for them'to do so;';- The Primo Minister, had not taken sides in the dispute, but had been impartial always. In actual fact, the farmors_ had settled tho .strike. ,. N The Opposition had given encouragement to tho 'strikers that they (tho members of tlie Opposition)' were on the strikers' side,: and-this had led' to tho continuanco of the strike. Tho farmers wore riot , going to .tolerate tho holding up of their produce at tho.: ports ( and the Goyernment.had been right in protecting.;them,while they 'did it. 'Ho. wanted to.'as.surc , the member for.Lyttb'lton that proportional; representation was not going to"stop an alliaiico of- any kind. 'Aiiy orga'nisatioii knew • pretty, well their members' were going to vote. .It-had been said that tho Government were; opposed to the workers. That statement was , not., true. They were legislating, and. proposed to continue,to,legislate,.for tlib workers. 'If the Socialistic Red-Feds got into power, and , got control of the.finauces, somo fine morning it would, be found that tlio leaders had 'decamped with, the proceeds of the revenue of the country. They'were only working for thoiriselvos. Ho would refer to tho remarks of the member for Napier about "back-door" appointments. Tho honourable , member had been 1 , so accustoinei.l to "back ; door" appointments ' that he could not discriminate. They had heard a, lot about the poor Native.. In 1891, when "the Liberal-. Government , came into pov/or the Natives held 10,859,000 acres, and it.was said they only held 4,000,000, acre's' td-da.y. Under what Government- was the land taken? Why, under the Scddon-Ward 'Government. Sir Joseph , Ward was going about the country talking about increased taxation. Ho did nottell tho people that the only increased taxation was the graduated tax ou big estates. Personally he did not Uiiiik 'the ■ present system, of valuation was right. They did not want to. tax .land up to its limit, for a mail had to make his living off the land. It was different-to a tax .on .incomes. On tho , land a,, fire

might come along and sweep the country and tho farmer would make a loss on the year. Still, he had to pay the tax. Ho fidvocatcd the sotting up of agricultural traininfj collogos to induce peoplo to go on the land, and successfully farm that.lnnd. A groat many of tho'failures on the land were duo to tho fact that tho occupants did not -know enough about farming. He would like to see an extension of tho system of five-acre allotments- .to workers' homes, near those citiee that had tho land. It could not bo done in a.placo like Wellington, but could be done in tho bulk of the cities/ ■•'.- A Refutation. .. Mr. G. V. PEARCE (Patea) replied to. certain charges • made against him or it' member for Wellington South (Mr. Hindmarsh). .Regarding the statement reflecting on Mr.. Pearce's action M regard to the Wanganui Harbour Bill published in the Wauganui "Chronicle," np;, ; read.-an--apology published by that journal. It.was true that he had tried .to have his property kept out of tho Wanganui Harbour District, because ho thought it should bo put into the Patea Harbour District. This latter course nad been' recommended by tho Commission set up by the previous Government to fix boundaries, and it was agreed to by the Committeo.'by 6 or 7 votes to one. The House had also agreed to it

'"■■•Sir Joseph Ward's Naval Scheme. . Mr, ;E. P.. LEE (Oamaru) replied, ihe criticism < levelled against "the Government, he said, had been, of the most feeble.kmd. The Governmejit.had come out with absolutely clean hands, and that fact would be recognised in a few months' time. .A good deal had been heard about naval affairs. , . Wliat : were the views of the Leader of the Opposition? They, could, get the best opinion by following his. speeches at the 1909 Imperial Conference,' : wheh' ho" proposed an Imperial Parliament of Defence, with powers of taxation over the Dominions. Mr. Leo was continuing his. quotations from the speech to outline Sir "Joseph •Ward's .scheme,'when ■ %: *' : ■-Sir: Joseph' Ward said something 'inaudible about "getting something in." meaning, of. coursei into Hansard, and added:. Those extracts aro very misleading. I'll; get it in all right.", : ! ;,:Mr.; Massey;;.l'waiit.to have it in.' I warit.;bveTybbdy'in" Now Zealand'to Tead it.'.- v -,-;--':; .. :^-V; \ <; ■- '■■ :•'-■■•• • ' •■.-

> Mr. Lee: I am'-sorryr'.the honourable gentleman does not like his :own speech. ■Hβ..went on reading the speech witli a little brief commentary here and there" on the 'manner in' which the delegates' at the 'Conference, had. cross-questioned Sir Joseph Ward about, the amazing scheme. ' After reading. Mr. .'As,quith's opinion ;on .the, scheme, : 'Mr.;Lc4 said: ''It isa good thing we .didn't send Home pur representative;ibithvpowor to act." !

'. -Mr.. Nosworthy:'We would be in tie soiip.' ■'.'•. '■■ ..■"'■ ';■••!•;■■ ■■] ...-■ ■■■■ : \ ' .•'■.'■

.■Mr. Lee:-Tlio houoiirable ■ gentleman says : lio " : will' Hansardise .the .' whole speech'. I liopo ho. will not only HansafclisG it, : ; but that ho will put if in. the hands of every elector in this coiin-try..-"-:.lt is a wilckiai schemo of.tlio in--tensest."natiire. ■ It' is. a that would'impose" oh these Dominions a power of taxation by a- Parliament, in which we,-can have no say at nil. We' would .bp ■ going hack to the old times when Great Britain lost/America. . .... It is a scheme tliat this Dominion and tliis-' Parliament -kid no. idea their representative 1 would lirins forward when he-wphf-HomV-. . • - I-.hope this country will not entrust its naval, affairs to the lionourablo gentieman who .hasbeen : bold euougli to bring forward a -Hieine like'this. ... , ' ..... ' .nmtion was carried at midnight,; aiicitlie House rose:at 0:2 a.m. ■, ■■-;■..