PARLIAMENT.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 689, 14 December 1909, Page 5

PARLIAMENT.

' : ';-. ;,,;j"V Sittings ".bi;;}hb v ;LcgislatiYbtCouncil were; held .;':■■■ : kisth '■-in;ithe ; ,'aflernobh /and .'.ovening yesterday. ' 'x s ;;'^:.X - <nnrii^r , rpf:l(^i&ils:VereTead , 'a;first' : timo.' : ■ Enaice /Bill .arid', the .■;-■'■'.;.Sliippi'ng.'and 'Seamen -Bill* were passed-through; !]C°:- their::finalistagc6;; ;Othet;measures;. doalf..with ;: : . v . :Death Duties Bill,-whichpassed : ;:vV'-iftHs^ie"r^itg?/i'j"'VA>--«'.': , ' , '.-.,".''.' ?■''■■■■■■'.'- "'.."■ ;: '- ; ;':.',':•••' .-'.'Arjout;' £wo /hoursYwere,: spent _ by; .the. House. :;; ; ':'•;.' j<?sterdkV;;;afte'rjtioou ■ iti ; ,diseussing, ; the. .Prime. ..'.': : . Jiinister'ti : imotion;tb;hold : ;moriiiDg'sittings .in -..-:■.' ■■■'■. future; :;;Mr,-;Massey £ iind -. : other' Opposition' :.' : ;-}. Bfmijiersjeipressfed'strong; hostility to the' idea .. -X ;qf;TOiWng'"the\Biisiness,.iuid;';doclared that-:they .;';. would''Sooner j conie^bacW/'afterrChristmas,' if H :necessftrji-ithiin.''let- important 'measures be dis- :;;•. .- They ■;'■■'. j urged the^Primo; , Minister. ,tq;,raake a'statement !"■• '•."■■'■■.as4o:the3Biilsvwhich''heJ'intended; Sir ;^■^;v^'J*sβp^ : on -Thursday ; ' aftornoon' or 'Friday "morning, ■„ when .he , would' . ■'"■ . of the -business : . ""ydtlld'.warrant.,a, prorogation before Christ-.. ■:■'. •. ■: mas, , ;'atii : an- early 'session■ next, year, or whether '--.' it 'wduld^hefjiieoessary'■'.to (adjourn'; and. ihave a New; Tear. '.'.v'" In \'--nmr} i M r important; conlmitteo,.,business/ it. :.-.;'Was?agreed'-that the,',morning..sittings:should :■;.: nptjboginitiUjjThursday.j'Hln,the' ovenirig tho. ..,';■;• srieridly,Socie^es ( ;Bill?and^NeW'.Zealand State .j. y.G.taantee'd;'Adyances;Jßill-:«ere put through '■,■■■"; ttieiSfinttl'jstag'Ss;f"-iAs/rtgards''thV'second■'Bill, .*. ■■j ; -'tKe'j , i^ime'-'Miiusi6ryßtated;that / ;Hb was iiot go- ;;"■'/:'.. irig';to:agfeV«to'iJi6';altisralion';made .in'-regard. : ■ '.;> .tpii'lffcaplbo'dieV;.siniang■•fnndsy: and ,thatv'hV : -'.-.■: .vroaidlaskiithbiHoti'se:to.-fecousider:that matter '. "■ !ii£eri'"fit'^i2o;'p'.'ni^tteJPrimo:.Ministiir-- | moTe'd ■; ■ .the j;oi'-':tho,; Internal':; Defenco ; ,:. Bill,:'wiiichiwas'agreed'to after, a lengthy de- ~■''■'• • jThe'rdiscussion-'.oh morning;'sittings'.willr.be ■ 1 -^-'..;,^ni';^'pa^.i.B.y:j''^^ v .■■/; '''•:'■■ S Ciy ■V :';•■•'SWEARINI(3-INf,aF ; :REAPPOINTED:V - ;;5..-';-yt r^ >; .; ::•■ '-• V;:-/ ,■' r'^V ; -1 ■';■'- -t .i'JVhen'.tie'i'CouricU'opened'.its-sitting 'yester- :' : > dayji'the'iHoiis.A G.v'-3ones'(Otago), li. H. , J. i,; , &eyes,t (Nelson),'and..;W. .C. ; :Sniith (Hawke's '■:. ißay),!whd".haTo;beon.;'reapppirited for another C. : '-,ieip ■: of. ;'offioe,;":'.\rere''.duly.- sworn ; .'. v>;\.'^;vi;isX^ i ■.:''• : -'iTne : 'H6n^Bir v M.;'.O'Borke:'wai;granted ;: leaTe .■■-of. absqnce fpr.vthe, remainder-of ; th& session .::'' ■oh '-acionnt'' 6i the •' seribus" illness of'. ■ Lady ■ '■■:'■ O'Eorkc, ■ who :• has-been .'indisposed "for, sis :': [miMa.^'^^y^-i^yy:-:/■]■:■ ::^yr:.'r'^j./ >'. ; v:-s;j':'^fe3Hp V : : < V'The^^qEKE^-GiENEEAL-irepprted ; that; a , ; -•V'''--OTirißres(*V. < >f'-'i*epTesentalivess of! the-; Council ■■.■.■■'•■■.'. and;- th'e. , :Houso.:had'been : iinable to agree .with /::. reference' , to which' the- Council .-'-.' '•• ■'■; ■hidMnsisted.'.u'pon -ih' cbwiectio» ; with the .Hbs- ':■'-.■■■■' Spita'ls^BiU;/V^Ajiptlier*-eonfe^<to.vWas, , ; ■■'■■', ,: TequesteiKby; the /-Housed, and: ok: his .motion 'it -.':.;■ 'waS'.agrebd.-'thatVsuch'should take place that ■:. 1 ;'':';!;^: , ■•>■ :■/;> ; ; | '•...'.i'.. , ,' ■■: / ::j-'y.-v:-l ; : .■■■;:• ■'-.-: ; ,Tioj:K;ArT.ORNEMENEKAL: ; gavb': notice ■ :.-::4nat on.'.next-sitting day. he'would- move that ■'■■'■■ : :fbf-the the' , 'session'the.Standing :,./."Orders: should be so far-suspended ;as-to enable -.'■'■: :;-.all;Bi]ls_ to,jbe;put ;thrpugh jill:their' stages '~-■. i'ttt-zone.-sitting. 'i,lt ..wasiv'ho' 'declared/' not.'tho ■■-.-. .i .intennon.-; o{;.;ithe;>6overninent;tp rely' on -iho ... r V-proTision,:'oScepMhg.invthe caset'bfsmalLßills. Mf'^^^BILLS?R;EAp;-A--FIRST: ; TiME.;J :.;. 'J'; iyli&jSoXimfwg! Bills: Hine:— ;'-v-.y:'^nMeditf;j;Dfe^ :■' '-■: BilL7, ... .;■; '-iWairoa ■^° ir . < l ''Empowering . Loans ;: ; : 'v/:p 'S/-f.': >' : ':' ;■.'•■.'■., Society 'Empowering- '■ -: [Bill'.' ;- : . '■ '-'^ : '. ;V : .'" ''"V- '-''^' -■''"'-■ ; - '-■ ' '■'■' -' ':■■■.■';:■.: 'Otago' Dock" Trtistf.Lands .Ecplamatibn: and ■;-' : rStreetyWider.ing3ai^.'.V' l .';;';,,'-.;:: ' :-.. : ; --,': ■■• ~,v:-v.Gisbbrne';:Bjgh. School-; Amendment.' : . •-■ , " ' Board.': Kaitangata \-;., V;ilt«senreiVesting;Bill;.'. ■':-;■.■ v'.-''.''-':.'' , .':--'.'-.'.'---.:. > ..;,••'. \": ~i;New , : Harbour; Recreation. - v ' •V'":-■?.■:Bpofto l n'.E«creatiom Reserve ;Bill: ■>^- : -- "■ ' • ..';.■, ; ::-;Heathcoto;:Boad-Board; jWa'terworks, Bill. .; -; : ■;, ; ; -Ancklandv Empewering-8i11..-■',' :■ :'.^ i .Otago:;Harbpur-.:BoaTdVEmp'owering Bill;. ■ ; ;-,.;- •'.:'; Otago:Dock Trustvilerger 'Bill: ■ ■. '■' , ;;:"^./.;C^ ; pf.; : AucUandiEnabling,;Bill;';■/■: ■'■;.- -.. ■;'■'';.:'-^^SHipiF^NG)AHp^EAMEN '} "bI.LU ■* > '] "• : ' ; iJj '-and jSeameii JBill; was 'read ■; a .vi'.'.'hird^nmo;without,discussibn;{and .'passed..■ • :;i'jj 'LANp^ET^EMENfrFIN AISICE BILL

: /'.:: ■ ; ;'-.'v&ll^ o ?^'"''* l " 1 "dreading, .'of', the Land -,'■■:-■/."JotUetatot Pinance"Bill;i v ' x .-:.'.'• ■'■■■>■■■■-~■■■ - " :.;..', :,The; ATTORNEYrGENEEAL referred to the ■;, ... : ■ v. nulnero.ns.•;. suggestion?:; that • had ' been'. made in . w ayiof.proposals -to'"amend : the : measure.- ;■ ■■>■ \: : Mme iofvtheseihad-been'fof ia-: radical '.nature, '' \n bßt .' t hey,.:inblnded;a:;few.: which : ; deserved the -:: .' cpraideration'ibf «the,;Goyeramen.t. : : 'He had : :■ \: "■:' conferred on -■ the: subject, :...:: i but,: considering f the -.lateness of tho session,'• it ~;;■-v a.s.. decided,;.,that .no .'amendmentvcould be .. ': -,-. .made (i this,session.; •'lt .had -been decided that i -■■'••:.'.'.• {oJne.'-J'Vthe-' 1 important-' suggestions -made by. ,-■ - :J- --'Anstey:.;-.wbuld . have, .the; con-- '■• '-"iSl atl ?r u '°''" e legislature - nest year. :' '-'. : ;::.,:,^ho.vHon i j;.G.v;JONES.(Otago)^aid : that:he :-x .'.-•I' M '.not'.antagonistic.-to,-the : he ■!■; thought:itAwould.r.create.disappointmoiit in■ the- %,■:■■ : m >P?3::OK't3rpromoters;>,There ; iwquld' have : ■' -'.■";'. need i or/such '■ i: measure' if land .:...- .had.beenjacquired'-undervtho.Landsfor.'Settlo- ■ -. V; j <v"jfc iXj-.-v.-i' , . ;>;■ -c;v:.j,.: ; . .-.. ..-. -.. .-. "■■'■'■?■■- ■■• iH .the: Jfp.ori?.."'V .y;-.: .-Mr. Europeans.:., ',■..;: 'ho believed 1 .;;.-.,ythatvdoublev,theipriceH W puld l, rhave : ito bo paid :;-;-,,the,.case,;>ider,:thp-.Lands.vfbr. Settlement.sys- ■■" ;:.-';^-\tem.,--v'.Vv-;ii;,;.Vs ; ::vi',-.-:i-iy f V-. : ;-'- i '-:-'--.i-:-.--'';-.:- .■;;- : : ,-f'.-- '■■! (Taranaki) vsaid'-:-tnat ' s -the i , i: ; .".-u t ho:.'gover;nniont;;reve'rted ,to ,-the freehold '■^■■■;r'>^^ I«pd.v.tha{;moat-.4isastrpus.lm6''bf.'poUcy.1«pd.v.tha{;moat-.4isastrpus.lm6''bf.'poUcy. ? 'had'beenVin forco ; in ibis, '.-:. y ; \ eottntry;.^Closer^settlement■■: was ; the -greatest ;■ •• ;- -where- the terniro :■ ' ■ - ; the -"freehold.' •: :--;abehqvedrthat ; 'lar,d;.would"be obtained-'bheaper. - : ,:-;under:;we>pronps.ed system :- than,under;.the ' '"<-- ii n ij' • y j S pßl?meat • system. -Crown tenants '-'•'..v- ; - S™ >W. -.^vfreehold. on Xβ.': .system"under ; :" ,;; T bl r,#° a i n o-:«-the'lease 'would be de-' I :'-^'J^^.^lthWpresent:.capital^.value.'■.:■' .:.-:' ' '■'■ ■ e ii? ?n; (Auckland) denied V /.■'■ - that^h? r Awas:. : any general ; demand :in the ■": ■'■:'■ <.;The. test ret. the,. M, : :-.iiastj;olcction^was:; ; nbt ! :bhe'of I .lahd'-tenure, : for '• ■•'■■""''it at^ n ? s s o ,If ' '■:- . -Vhe "the :countryj the - 1 .f?? o ?; hold . ei:s v o^ la nd: ; wouldiswamp' th«v'lahd-' ■■;-'V.-.;/ ; noldOTS--aDd';dec!are , ; ! -fbfi::tho'-leas.e'hol(l i ' Se-. ~ -;>;,ount7.of,tetoe;was,of much: greater importv;.-.,-;. ance..-.than ■tho;;,(]nestion', of , >,Land" :■ -^^°^3-JWiitM purse of.■• any country..: > - that; ; - -' .'•;..., ; :,:.■.■.■Mγ. SI liowan: -There.,should. be:no-.frcahold> . '■■:- : .v..(- w/au.";"7:'-i"}:,'^' ; a■;',.', \i r -~',;;\ '-i'-'--.---.j- ■-.■:-,;■- '-':, !?:-i : Wou'■'■'rive the worker the ; . ! : w,lreoholdf of ;his ; ;'cbtta«e?'' •' ■ - ; :. .: : . ; . ii; ■ .-;/.';.; S'-V Mr.: M-GoVaB ■-; Iniprineiplo'l would ;not aV :■;:, ■ .-■'■:, : ;flo; Badj Legisidtion :was Expected, /;.wv t \ ■::■ ; ;*?^Tlie>D(m;-feT;-PAtJL:(6tagoy'priced: his .:.,::■ v;, remarks that ;if the - Land -Bill xame ~,.;., down in;-its:-:.present"-' form-it '.would' provide ..■■-■■- ii.Toom -,forra;OToat;;;deal'/of-discussion , :'•,• It .was ■••'■■ '/;■; bis;-.opinion:that-m'ore'rionsense;wns; talked uncf'r'; der , : .-tUo;,,-h0 i adirig/;of -freehold than under, any .. .believed;, that •■ the : present ;' :vi;Bill_.would;:;rcsnlt;inideariland; l and plenty'■.• of ~;•/.'?■' dfty:;from "-harassing;conditions^was;;:tho ,r liasb-! ■.•■-:.-'.r.j'i;.h6ld.'-:wßtem; ; lS'-0nly.;:--.uMer ;the,, leasehold- , svfr' h':^!^';'.ttim^<»nlq':l^tattoii' : (of- , :arta/;be;-pbtairied.'-'."lf. :.---T; , ;the' : freehold'; , bfiGrdwn lands-were sought,at the ■■■;-,;;;. 'briginaHValueiit be iVbarefaceil'robbery. ;■" ■■;■ - j; Most .of-, the; motnbere" ; wero: n'dt -Teturned : at last ':-ly-y$ ricc&d;!on,?their;.;views::; on ■ the "rlan'd.: qoestion;

as- a matter of fact, the country was considerably, surprised at : new : land legislation being brought;down this session,-as it -was , generally thought that the legislation of .1907; settled the lnnd.'.tjucstion {or/somo time. to : come. , ■'•' ' : J<- Tho::;llqns. ..TV.- : C; Smith, toughnun, Callan, ! M Cardie, and Luke also took part in the discussion. •-■ _. ■ ,'■■■".'' ■/,-'■.■..■:■'. ;-:.■.- • ■ ■'. '/'A;Gross Wasie of Timo> ; : \ :'.:'-'.:' The- ATT,6eNET-GENERAL (in reply) rogrettdd'.: that;, some members ■ should have thought fit.toi debate the' Bill on. its '.third : reading. During the previous stages it had been dealt with from tho-point-'of view of priiioiplp arid dotails. If the Council wore going to.repqat : tho proceedings .of that'afternoon 'it iras: going? to perpetuatea gross -Svaste.-of time, Ho was surprised - that": on .the third .reading thero. had; been a long list of speeches mainly on'a'topic which at the present time was'alien to.'the;Bill. ; . Ho trusted that in- future bers would limit debate to' the second reading. The third reading was then agreed 'to,: and tho Bill was'passed.' . '■; -.>'■ ■•.-.■'..'.' 'V' ' : ; ; : "7,vDEATH-DUTIES BILL. ::/ ■The adjourned debate on the question-that the Bill'be now read a second time was CPntlnu«d:.-,..■•'■..: ' . ; ■ ~ ..-.; The Hon., J. ANSTET (Canterbury) thought tho:.succession; duty niight'have been heavier 'aud.the!estate duty slight!;? less. Hβ criticised the. principle of gradations in the Bill, also certdin of the provisions relating to gift duty.' , Tho' Hon. P.' TRASK (Nelson) favoured-; the provisions toi the measure. He would ask the Government to introduce legislation nest year lvhich would compel owners of wealth and those >-hp revelled in luxury to pay taxes "than they now. had to pay. ; . . ; " .'., llr. Beehan: What would you tax? . Mr. Trask said that'he would tax motor-cars arid-fbuf-wheflled : . carriages and racecourses.' Then,, again,: he' .would tax sheen at the rate of Id. per head. If that were done it 'would produce '.£87,429, -which would go a long, way to-wards-maintaining a; territorial army.:'■■' .-, ,A : member: Would you. tax bachelors?.' '' . ; Mr..Trask: If, you taxed them they might leave the country.■■' . . ' ■ -■ : .- ...The, Hpni J.-BARR (Canterbury) thought' it would'.be imore creditable to the Government >if it made".greater efforts to distribute wealth whilst it. was being created. .It .'was: in ; the-. ,oreatipb.of wealth that-the evil was done.' '.-''■ ■." Dr. Findlay:. I agreeiVrfth you; but you can't. ;-do it by means of a Deatn rter.)' ;"••' : -,'- ''■'. V.'.-'.:--'. ■:■ ' '.; ■-',' '' ; -■■i'.Jlr. Barr,;in;the course.of further remarks, I'cpmmended, the .measure. ' .' ... .' :-' ; ' .The Hop! G.'.j; SMITH. (Canterbury). declared :that .special'.-.provisions .should have been '-inEcrted.'.to :meet the cases of gifts:to sons about : tocoiiimenoe. business. L '/• It was his opinion,, also, ;that.'death-duties in;instalments'in the cases of large "estates.'.■ ■'■■. • that, the reception, which the Billihad met'was a gratify-, ing'tnbute' to.its.excellence. The.graduations and other'points which'had'been'raised , would ,'rec'eive'the'attentibn 'bf..the : ' Government.-, Uhder. the 'Bill no .person-or estate, would in-'the slightest'degree.be oppressed. '■'"•'.: .'■; v. ; -The second .reading.. of. the ..Bill.;: was' agreed ', to on-tho. \ voices. .' V : ' •'■-. '-.';•'.-'". , NAVAL; DEFENCE; BJLL^;;.'-"';\',.'. ■','■•■-Thb ATTORNET-GENERAL,- in 'inoving'lEo ■second; reading-, of .-this. Bill, said- that the country' Had committed itself- to -the gift, and the'Bill provided perhaps the'most satisfactory methdd- of carrying : it out. v ■;"•■' ■■ ■:■; '■! ; ! ; .'.The':second -reading .waa agreed ,to v withont discussion. ■...: ; . ; ...:.. ; ... LAND -FOR SETTLEMENT ADMINISTRAT | PN; BIL .Lv'. : > y .--'. ';: '. : ;\' ; -; ■■ In..moving tho second reading >pf this Bill, pro forma. ' .'• ' : :' '■:.'.:. i ■:The: ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that- some people ;niisrepresented: ; .the;: position ■■ of ; the ■ country , , by: pointing .to the .'large overlookinglthe. ;assets.'' Under > the proposed system .that-would be,checked; toOa ;large ex■tonfc; ;.'■-■■•; ■>;-.■ 1 ---. r -...-..'.-J-i'■'•-..'.•'=':•: .'.-.-.■.: ■•.■■-: ■' The \Bill was. read. a, second : time; . referred , to .the;.:Statutes'A Kovisioh- Committee.- ' ' ■ Societies. Bill Vas^eceived 1 from the- House., and read, ri'.'first'tinio'.'. , ' ;:' : '"-. y'.'.lne Conneilihen adjourned'until' this after'rionn.-"-'.-.-';■■;..->';..■ '.. ;■-;;'; •- .!•■•..■.■■•..■. •■,,