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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Wednesday, Dboember 21, The House met at 11 a m. INCIDENCE OF TAXATION. Mr Tanner gave notioe to mon ft t an early opportunity next session " That It la m the opinion of thla House desirable that a change should bs made m the form of direct taxation, an4-that Government be requested to repeal tbeJProperty Tax Aot and bring forward aJEand Tax Act and an Income Tax Aot In lieu thereof; *he_ Jfl-i^i- -*•<*- «o-co~on~tnB uunfiprovVd value of the land without exemption, and the amount derived therefrom to be treated as land revenue and paid into into the land fandj the income t»x to have an exemption and to be treated as ' ordinary revenue. Tflß SHEEP Bill,. The Premier moved the seoond reading of the Sheep Aot Amendment Bill. The motion was agreed to. PROPERTY TAX BUI, On the motion for the committal of the Property Tax Bill, Mr Turnbuil said he ahould move m committee that any person taxed, who has resided m the oolony for six montha, should be entitled to a reduotion of 20 per cent. NATIVE LAND AOT. Mr Hislop moved the second reading of the Native Lands Court Aot Amend, ment Bill. Mr Hutohinson spoke at some length against the Bill, and said it waa a moat revolutionary measure, He moved that the Bill be read that d&y three months. Mr Fish and Mr Carroll opposed the Bill. Mr Samuel supported the BUI with certain exoepttona. Mr Tanner moved the adjournment of the debate to enable the Loan Bill to be proceeded with. Mr Kelly, Mr Cadman and Sir Julius Yogel urged on the Government the desirability of postponing all the Native Bills till next session, as it waa impoaaible to consider them this session. Mr Hislop hoped the debate frould be idjourned, and In the meantime he would be glad to explain any provision of the Bill to any hon member who might desire m explanation. The Premier also hoped the debate nrould be adjourned. Government could jonsult the Native members In the mean* ;ime, and if they thought it was desirable :o withdraw the BHla for thlß Besslon Government would do bo. Sir George Grey believed the whole Mure of Native race depended on these Bills, and they struck a blow at the STafcive. He deprecated the adjounment >f the debate till an early hour the f ollowng morning. The Bills he waa oertaln, *ere brought forward to benefit oertaln ndivlduala. He moved that the debate >c adjourned till that day week A lengthy discussion followed. The amendment wats loat by 38 to 25. Dr Fltohett moved that the debate be ourned till next Monday. Mr Taiwhanga seconded the motion; Af car some disousslon Dr Fitohett with* irew his amendment. The debate waa adjourned till after the (oa,Q Bill was disposed of. The House roae for lunch at 1,30 p,m. The Houae resumed at 2 30. p.m; THE LOAN BJLL, Sir Julius Yogel said that when the till passed ita second reading he expressed 3e opinion that It was not necessary to orrow auoh a large amount, ncr did he Doalder it safe to give euoh an aaauranoe s was proposed to be given by Governient that no, fqrther bornwing should kke place for three and a half years. Ha sforred at some length to the borrowlag ' roposals, and said that It was an absurd ling (hat members refained from voting a >r a reduction of the loan merely became ley did not want to vote on any question ith him (Sir Julius Yogel) owing to his b iving boen act up aa a bogey. He did ot want to shook the sensibilities of those { embess by propoalng a reduction himself at he hoped aome other member wouW ye hiaa the opportunity of voting for the E iduotlon. He did nos wsnt to take * edit to himself m the matter, but he ioqld he prepared to vote for a reduofclon - the extent of £400,000. a The Premier hoped the House would see tl i way to support the Government In ielr pronooAla whlph had been carefully * nsvierefl. Sir Julius Vogel'u chief j jat In ad,vooatlng the redaction, vas to i auffhieut money for the year, and Itl en truest to ohanqe for n^fc , B ar, Bfo | f<

the Premier) particularly asked those honorable gentlumen who favored a reduction of the loan to remember that he trusted the House would pass the schedule of the Bill as it stood. Clause 3 — Loan of £1,000,000, authorised to be raised for certain purposes. Dr Hodgklnoon moved that this olaaie be postponed. The motion was agreed to. Clause 12— Debentures not to be fold at prloea to give interest at a higher rate than 5 per cent. Mr iylllls -askerf whether It would not bo possible to sell some of these debenHires m the colony at a higher rate than 5 per cent. The Premier Bald that he soaroely liked to proDoae a higher rate of Interest. Mr Mills was not at all satisfied that something like half a million oonld not be raised m the colony at 5|- per cent. The clause passed without amendment. In olause 3 Mr Reeves (St Albans) moved to strike out " £1,000,000 loan " and to insert "£600,000." He said that be moved this as a private member, m It was not very likely a change of Govern* ment would ensue should tha motion be carried, He asked tha House m voting for his proposal to remember their election pledges against farther borrowing. He claimed the votes of all those gentlemen on the other side of the House who were pledged to restriction of borrowing, Mr Milli was glad to lee the honorable gentleman move this amendment on behalf of his rejeoted leader (Sir Juliui Yogel). He did not think, however, that the Honaa could fairly vote for auoh at large redaction as £600,000. Ha (Mr Mills) should be prepared to move for a reduotlon to £760,000. The amendment had evidently originated with Sir Jallus Yogel, who felt his own Inflaenoe was not strong enough to oarry it, and had therefore entrusted the task to the member for St Albans. After a lengthy diaousaion the word* " £1,000,000 loan were carried by 36 to 25 . Mr Reeves amendment being loat. The following la the the diviiion Hat:— Atcs 36. Atkinson O'Oonor Baetham Peacook Bruce Pearson Feldwiok Pyke Fergus Richardson J.F. Fisher (Mataura) 0 Graham. Seymour Grimmond Smith Guinness Stewart Hialop Menteath Jackson Talwhangti Joyce ._ . Thompson, T. MrArthur (Auckland N) Marchant Turnbull McKenale J; Ward $ (V7alhemo) Whyta -™ Mitchelaon Wilaon ~"~ Moat Withey. V ".:?} Newman Nobs 25. Allen Mills -..,-. Anderson O'Callaghan Barroh Parata Blake Perceval Brown Reeves, R. H. - Buchanan (loansahua) Fitzlierbert RlohardaonfKit. Hadgklnson apol) Hutohlaon Steward W. J, Jonea (W.im.te) Kelly Stewart Jv". D. Lance (Danedln W) Larnaoh Taylor Mackenzie Yogel (Mount Ida) WalKer Mr Maoarthur moved a proviso to ofatsa) 3, providing that after raising the million loan, the North laland Trunk Rail tray Loan, and £400,000 m defiolenoy bllla, m guarantee should be given that no farther borrowing should take place for five years. Sir Julius Vogol and Mr Fish atrongly opposed this proviso. .•■ ■ tO# Mr Sooble Maokeoz'e warmly supported <t and aaid that the fact that Sir Julius Yogel condemned It, was quite •affiolenfc to make him (Mr MoKenzfe) deslroaa of seeing it carried. Mr Menteath supported the proviso. Ihe motion waa lost by 40 to 11, and the olause passed without amendment. The House adjourned at 5 30 p.m. The House resumed at 7.30 p.m. On the iohedulo to the Loan Bill being reached Mr Scoble McKenzle moved to strike out the item of £70,000 for Immigration. ' - Dc Newman suggested that they should vote a total Bum of £600,000 under the* Public Worka Fuud m a lump, and allot it afterwards instead of to partlbnlar worki as at present proposed, „ The Premier said that he should be clad to let this vote of £70,000 remain unallotted, and leave it for the House In the next session to determine when Government brought down their scheme. As to the question of roada, he thought It would be generally admitted that money ipent on roads waa more profitable than *th»t expended on railways; He would agree now that the House should atrike out thla £70,000, and later on he ahould bring down by message from the Governor at proposal for the snm of £10,000 unapportloned. Mr Peaoook referred to Dr Newmans remarka, and aald that deduotlng liabilities and ooat of raising the loan, only £353,000 would be available if only £600,000 were raised, Mr Menteath asked whether Government would accept an amendment similar to that moved by Mr Maoarthur. only making the time during which there should be no further borrowing three y«ara ilnatead of five. * ,s Mr Buchanan hoped thai the vote would not be struck out, Mr Samuel aaid that men with capital who would employ labor were wanted la mL°?> Ny He would aupport the vote. The Premier replying to Mr Menteath sajd he wou.d aooept the olause deaorlbed by that gentleman. Mr Soobie MoKenale wlahed the loan to be reduoed by the amount struck off In the aohedule. Mr Beethun strongly objected to the alternative offer of the Premier. Alter a lona; debate the item of £70,000 was struck off on the voice*. Roads-~£225,000. Agreed to, Purohasa of Native Lands (North Island)— £lsoo. Mr Gulneai moved that this Item bo struck out. . The motion was loat on the voices. Tote £130.000 for harbor' defences. Mr Reevea moved to reduoe this £20,000. 'Ihe motion was lost by 39 to 22. "'• Mr Guineas moved to Btrike out the vote £25,000 for the Helensville Ballway . northwards. * The motion was lost by 56 to 18. Putarurau-Rotorua, £9000. Agreed to. Woodville-Palmanton, £93,000, . Agreed to, Blenheim-Awatere, £90Q:j. Mr O'Oallaghan moved tbat this item be struck out, After some dlsoussion the vote waa atruok out by 35 to 31. Otago Central, £76,000. Mr Reeves moved that ithe vote be struck out, but afterwards withdrew it. The schedule as amended was then passed. INT COMMITTEE. The House went into committee on the Sheep Act Amendment Bill, which passed with slight Amendment. THIRD BEADINO3, The Loan Bill waa repoatad with amendments and ordered to be read s> third time to-morrow. The Sheep Act Amendment Bill waa read a third time and passed. SECOND READINGS, ' Mr Fisher moved the aeoonc'r eaJing of the Fisheries Conservation B*ll providing for the proteotiQA of, e,eal fisfcurfej, in | •

•ho providing that vessels and boats engaged m Illegally taktog seals ate to be forfeited. * Agreed to. Mojor Atkinson moved the second readlag of tbe Pnbli« Revenues Bill, providing for releasing the snm of £400,000 m deficiency Bills. Agreed to after some discussion. 8131 IUIANOISOO MAIL SERVICE. In reply to a question, Major Atkfnaon ■aid that he proposed to ask the House to-morrow to extend the contraot for the San Franclaco mail service for one year. The Premier added that be tpouH also take the Supplementary Estimates and Appropriation Bill. He wae anxious that the House should prorogue to-morrow in-; order that members might get home before Ohrletmaa. Sir Julius Yogel protested against the proposal to prorogue next day. The Premier w»s trying to oram Into a few boon legislation which should ootfupy sevenl days. In his opinion the House ihould certainly not prorogue till Friday. Mr Gnlnneas said if one of the measures mentioned by the Premier were inßiited op, he ihould take care the House did not prorogue this week. X- Sir Julius Yogel again protested against the course to be pursued, and Baid he should take no responsibility for what Government might do for the remainder of the lewlon. PROPERTY TAX BILL." The House then went into Committee OB the Property Tax Bill. Sir Julius Yogel moved to insert . a oltnsß Imposing s tax of one penny In the pound on »H property before the words 11 of over £2500 In value." f Major Atkinson hoped the Committee would reject this amendment, as It would dean a losa of £60,000 for the revenue, and it was also a graduated tax. The amendment was lost by 33 to 14 and the Bill passed without amendment. RETINUES BILL. The House went into Committee on the Public Revenues Bill, which passed without amendment or the addition of the new clause, which was thrown out by 35 to 7. Mr Wilion moved a new clause making it penal for Ministers to exceed the votes of the House, but on the Premier's promlsa to consider it next session he -withdrew it. FISHERIES BILL, The House went into Committee on the Fiiherlei Conservation Act Amendment

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Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 1722, 22 December 1887, Page 2

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 1722, 22 December 1887, Page 2

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 1722, 22 December 1887, Page 2

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