HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

Ashburton Guardian, Volume VII, Issue 1717, 23 November 1887, Page 2

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

Tuesday, November 23,

The Honae met at 2.30 p.m. NO OONHDBNOB KOHOW, :y Sir Jaliaa Yogel eufd he wu prepared to give notice of resolutions respeotlag revision of the Customs tariff, and he would like to know what opportunity the Premier would afford him for doing ao. Probably the honorable gentleman would. consent to his moving thorn on the motion to go into Committee of Ways and Means, or would he be afforded aa opportunity upon the oonolaslon of the financial debate? ' . : ; The Premier uked whether the lesolutlona would traverse the polloy of Government, ; Sir Julius Yogel Bald they would be In the dlreotion of making an immediate change m the tariff. The Premier aaid he should propose that the House ahonld go into Oomalttea of Ways and Means at once, to aa to give tbe honorable gentleman the oppor> ttmlty he desired. Sir JqHob Yogel said he should not be prepared to move hi* reflations till next week. The Premier replied that m that ewe he should aek the Houbb to adjourn for a week, aa it was dear that Government could not proceed with the business while a motion of No Oonfidenoe was pending. Sir Juiiua Yogel was surprised at the attitude taken up by the Premier. He had no desire to unaeat the Government, but had thought he might assist them. He saw no reason why Government business should be postponed, and he was not to be deterred from doing his duty by a charge of obstruction. „ • Mr Fisher said that Sir Julius Yogel had done nothing else for the last week but waste the time of the House. Sir JuHuh Yogel moved that the words be taken down. A division was called for. but not pressed v Me Fisher said this w»b another Instance of wasted time. He wished he oould say that that waß the worst thing Sir Jaliaa Yogel had done daring the pant week. Every day meant the cost of £400 to the oonntry, and a further delay m the work of retrenchment. Sir Julias Yogel had already made two attempts to bricg down a t«iff, which had been ignominioaßly defeated, and now he wanted to try ft third experlmaufc, He might teli the hon gentleman and hia friends that Government had no intention of tinkering with the tariff and unsettling trade this session. Be implored the Hoaae not to waste any further time. Mr Moas said this proposal came on them all with surprise. The Premier was unwilling to face the tariff because neither he nor hia party were m favos of it. He obj oted tothWbetngmuchaNo Oonfidenoa debate, and was sure the Honse did not want one. Revision of the tariff was quite as Important as retrenchment. Ha suggested tLafc the Houie ahoald adjourn till January or February, whloh would give Ministers time both to complete the details of their Bobemoof retrenchment and prepare a revlaed tariff. Mr Fish denied that the waate of time w ? a , the , ftnlt of the Opposition. He admitted that Government required time to frame a tariff, but if the Premier had promised the deputation that waited on him that he would bring down a tariff next session, io a protective dlreotion, he for one would be prepared to support him. Mr Tumbull »nd Mr Taylor thought that she time was inopportune for this dificußßion. Mr Seddon asked why, if Government were determined to lead the Hoaae as ' they should, tbey had not taken notice last nJght of the reflections oast on the ?. o £ o f, ., of the Houaa In fche Auckland ■'Bell" of the 16th. They ought to nave taken that matter up. Be denied that the leader of the Opposition was reoponsible for the loas of time. There was no intention now to do more than was proposed m Mr MobbV resolution last week, yet Government had not treated that m a party spirit. Mr Reeves (St Albam), m answer to a remark from Mr Turnbnll relative to hia knowledge that Sir Julius Vogel'a proposals were about to be brought forward being confined to a select few, explained that he for one knew nothing about them. He could quite understand Government refnaing to go on with the bustneso wbila a virtual vote of No Confidenoa was hanging over them, but he warned them that the m«re they delayed m this matter , the more fatal it would be to them. Mr Barron animadverted on the amount of useleaa debating carried on. De Fitohett could not understand Government objecting to being assisted In forming a tariff. Sir John Hall said he had been a frotectionlst when many members who now spoke so emphatically on the aubiect were ardont Freetraders, but he uphold the action of the Premier, inaiatins that the question now raised ahoald b* ■ettieoV before anything elae was done}, Sir Julius Yogel said thaV, at the wish- • of a number of hla friends, he wished to, withdraw the intinutioo be had mide The Premier refused to accept thb position, He did not intend to let the leadee of the Oppoaitlon triumph over him by holding out a threat and then withdrawing it. He challenged him to nuka ; a dlreot motloa at once that m the opiofon of the Hoaae rdvialoa of the tariff wasdesirable this session. If Sir Jaliu* Yogel would not do thio he woutd get oneof his own frle.ido to move that it was not dealrable, and to hrlug the matter to an Viu ? 8 P l y ln e Mr Moas, the Premier aaid that *rai!e he proposed to hold the seeaion m April that geotleman wlahed to m^ice it two months earlier, and the Jiinrenaa bet^aea them was not one of pttqoinle but of tioae. If Sir Julius Yogel wmld not mava aoir at 7.30 p.m , he (the fremiar) voald get one of hia owu party to do ao. Sir JulltH Yogel was uo!; prepared to accept the Premier*? ohalleage aa m«ny of a^ aijppQctew <Mred, Ifoiyyw ucieujga of

r letrenchment should be considered before Protection, and he would prefer being able to specify the revisions which be wlibed to effeot. The Premier wished to amend the motion for adjournment, so that the Home sbonld only adjourn till 7.30 p.m., but the Speaker ruled thar the original motion having been for adj >umment till next day no amendment could bo made. The motion for the adjournment till 2.30 p.m. next day was then pot and carried by 50 to 32, The House rose at 3.30 p to. The following is the division Hat ; — Ayes, 50. Allen Merchant Andenon MoGregor AtktLion Mills Bcrrtn Mitohelson Beetham Meat Brace Monk Baobanan Newman Carroll Ormond Cowan Peaooek Dodion Pearson Fergui Pyke Fisher Rhodes Fnltpn Richardson Goldle Rosi Graham Bassell Ball Seymour Himlin Talwhange Htilop Tanner Hebba Thompson Hodgklnion (Marsden) Isard Thompson Jaekion (Aookland N.) Ltwry Valentine MaArthnt Whyta McKen2i« Wilson (Mount Ida) "WHhey McKenzle (Olutha) Noes, 82. Ballanoe Mess Blake Mackenzie (WaiBuxton hemo) Dancan O'Oalaghan Feldwiok Parata Fi6h Perceval Fitohett Beeves (InanFitzherbert gahua) Grimmond Beeves (St. AlGuinnesg bans) Jones Richardson (KaiaJoyce poi) Kelly Beddon Kerr Taylor Lanoe Tornbull Larnach Vogei LoTestam Walder Longhxey Ward Pairs, For— Menteath Samuel Ttipua Againßt— Steward Fraser Hntchison