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was never allowed to be removed from the desk, so that a .motorman could always know the defects of a car, and what defects are booked against it. " detects t here 7-5 O wouTd C b O e n £e r r a C ° ntinU ° US ° ar - b ° ok is more desirable than broken reports here and f J B a N iT j n + connecti ° n ™& yo ur ™n : You have been a long time on the Heme Bay section of the Auckland tramways ?—About two years and a half J OB 99. You say the section is two miles and a half, and you get sixteen minutes to run it in?— Yes 100. I here are twenty stopping-places?— Yes. 101 What amount of time do you waste at each stop I—lt varies considerably, according to the stop and according to the conductor " cl^ululll <= l 0 102 Do you consider, without going into a detailed calculation, that you have to drive at an undesirable speed sometimes to keep your time?-Yes. I might mention hire that at the termLus ml T) \ \ ° Ur mmUt€S t0 lmlOad and get aWft y a § ain ' which of c °urse reduces the later" on ™ ° n Certain P ortions of the line - That has to be made up 103 Mr O.Shea.] Is that uphill?— Part of it is. 104. Mr Poole.] So that, after all, for an allowance of sixteen minutes to cover all that section there is not much time to spare even when running at a higher rate of speed?— There is no time to sp£tr6, 105 Mr McLaren] Is there a large number of men in Auckland at the present time employed and holding motormen's licenses?— Yes. raipioyea \ tv, lO6 V ", r d men ° n the , 8 P are list w ho hold motormen's licenses ?—I think there are about forty ol them holding motormen's licenses. " 107 Are there any of them hoiding motormen's licenses who are not regularly employed as i°x; T izn to b u ; rhey used to have neari^^man in the wStsL" man s license, whether he could drive a car or not. 108 As a practical man, do you think, under the clause of the Bill, the certificate granted in respect to one service would be of use in another service? Would a certificate in Auckland be of value in Dunedin or Chnstchurch?—l think so, in an electric service. ucmana be ot 109. The brake system is not the same in the different centres?—No system ?' \h^ d th f training , \ man ßeived under one system of brakes be sufficient under another system?— Always, if a man had—what I said in my previous evidence-two days with a regular hand on the run on which he is going to be employed. ie o uiar U1 Y ou thmk that with a few days in company with a motorman in the service, that would be quite sufficient ?-Yes, when he had passed the proper examination in the first place IU You are a member of the Tramway Union? Yes. 113. Are you an officer ?—No, and never have been. 114. Have you ever heard it mooted that the men were working up to force a strike in the tramways service at the present time?- No, I never heard of it minuter-Yes.^" 7 " 0 He ™ e y ° U t0 d ° tW ° ™ iles and a half in sixt een 116. You say you have twenty stoppages?— Yes. 117 That is at the rate of ten miles an hour : do you think that is excessive ?—Yes US.- * »» 120. Are you generally in favour of the Bill?— Yes ™ «™ d Yes 22 Y ° U thmk the Bill ' S neceSSal 'y even if the trams were municipally owned in Auckland? 123. In reference to your brakes, do you manipulate the car generally with the track hnb T am not speaking of a level ?-We do not use it on the level. ' brake—l thr-JH' I n /l erenCe t0 \ he oerti fi c fte : l oppose you appreciate, if the Government get the Bill through, that the examination would be more one of general knowledge, and that should you go to another system a special application would have to be applied? You could not come down from Auck and and run trams around steep grades on about two days' experience ?-I came from SydneT and drove on the Auckland cars without any local experience whatever } J ' 125. Sydney is very similar to Auckland?—The equipment was absolutely different I had never seen the Auckland equipment before. ' Cl x nad w n 126 ; But d ° F ou th n ink the average motorman could come from the Christchurch system to vllwo g day S ?-I think!' &nd aCqUh ' e kn ° Wiedge neCeSSa,7 ' if S & Govermnent cStmcate! 127 Mr O'Shea.] In reference to the Kingsland accident, you swore previously that the motorman did not know how to use the third emergency, and told you that?-Yes repeated ,I,l * * the ™W' and men n °* te " the ™"*° ° f ™» P™ ted motor--130. Is it not a fact that there is a spare list at each depot?— Yes 131 Have you any idea of the number on the spare list at Ponsonby?—Twenty-four 132. And the Epsom spare list?— About the same. __ Ye s 33 S ° y0 " WoUld be right in m ? ing there are about fift 7 '-eady to take motormen's places?

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