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43. Then it was before 1871 that Knpe was built?— Yes ; I think it was commenced in 1869, and finished in 1870. 44. Then, these disputes continued between you and the Muaupoko right on until the Court?— Yes. 45. A committee sat at Kupe to define the boundary ?—Yes. 46. Did they decide anything at, that committee?— The committee at Kupe brought the boundary down to Panuianarama. 47. That is north of the Eiver Hokio?—Yes, it is a hill close by Kupe. 48. Then Caroline and Tauteka commenced to get this land surveyed off? —Yes. 49. Where were the first whares burnt down after the building of Kupe?—At Kopu te Roa, near the lake. 50. Was that shortly after the building of Kupe?—Yes. 51. Can you say whether it was in consequence of these disputes at the building of Kupe and the burning of these whares that Sir Donald McLean sent Mr. Travers, as a Commissioner, to inquire into the title and occupation of this land?— Yes; it was a very great disturbance. The Muaupoko built a pa, and we also built a pa when the houses were all burnt. 52. Where did you build the pa?—At Tawa, to the north of No. 9. 53. Where did the Muaupoko build their pa ? —At Pipiriki. 54. It was after the building of these two pas that Mr. Travers was sent as Commissioner? —- Yes. 55. Up to the time that Mr. Travers was sent to inquire, all the disputes between yourselves and Muaupoko were as to the land between Taua-te-ruru and the Mahoenui boundary ?—Yes. 56. Do you know who granted the lease of that land to the south of the river in Tutaki's lifetime ?—He leased it to Hector McDonald. 57. Where did you build the pa?—At Tawa, to the north of No. 9. 58. Where did the Muaupoko build their pa? —At Pipiriki. 59. Was it after the building of these two pas that Mr. Travers was sent as Commissioner ?—- Yes.. . 60. "Up to the time that Mr. Travers was sent as Commissioner all the disputes between Muaupoko and yourselves were as to the land between the Tauateruru boundary and the Mahoenui boundary ?— -Yes. 61. Did you know who granted the lease of this land in Tutaki's lifetime ? —He leased it to Hector McDonald. 62. Did he lease it as far as the Tauateruru boundary ?—Yes, and beyond, about a mile north of the Hokio. 63. Between whom was the Mahoenui boundary ?—lt was between Whatanui and his children and Te Paea. 64. The southern part was occupied by Te Paea, mother of Keraipe te Puke, and the northern part by Whatanui and his people ? —Yes. 65. Do you know whether that boundary was recognised by Watere and Puke?— Yes, they all knew about it. 66. This was really the boundary between Te Eauparaha's people and Whatanui ?—There were a great many hapus on the southern side of Mahoenui. There were Te Paea, Aperahama te Buru, Horomona Toremi, and a great number. 67. I suppose your mother and sister appeared in the Court for the investigation of title of 1873 ?—Yes. 68. Did Pomare appear in the Court or take any part in the proceedings at that time ?—No. 69. After you were beaten at that Court, was there an application for a rehearing sent in to the Government by Ngatiraukawa ? —Yes. 70. Do you remember who sent it ? —Whatanui, Tauteka, and Caroline. 71. Was the rehearing granted ?—No. 72. After the Court, did you continue living on the land ? —Yes. 73. With regard to the disturbance after the Court up to the time of the burning of the whares at Eaukahamama, were there continual disputes between you and Muaupoko ? —Yes; that was the biggest disturbance. The trouble began in 1873 after the Court. 74. Will you state as shortly as you can what took place with regard to the burning of the whares at Eaukahamama ?—When Kawana arrived he came for the purpose of leasing this land to Mr. Bull. He came to Horowhenua, and Watene told Mr. Bull they had better go back :"I have not finished fighting for this land yet; I have sent an application for a rehearing." Then Kawana and Mr. Bull went over the land to have a look at it. When they came back, they went to Horowhenua to where Muaupoko were, and then Kawana sent people up to burn the houses at Mahoenui and Eaukahamama, and. they burned them. We did not know they had been burned. There was no one there at the time. They also pulled up the potatoes that were in the ground. 75. In what month was that ?—lt was in November or December. 76. Were there a large number of Muaupoko who took part in that burning?—We did not know; we did not see them. There were three people who were seen going, and they were accused of it; but we do not know who the others were. After sometime we heard from the Muaupoko themselves that the houses had been burned, and we went up to look and found it was so, and that the crops had been destroyed. Then the people of Muhonoa and Waiwiri collected and came and met us at Horowhenua. 77. Was there any further burning after that?— No. 78. Did the Otaki people come up ?—Presently. Watene, Te Puke, and Eoera Huhukiki commenced to talk, and they determined that they would fight. They started out in the morning, and they got to Kupe ; and the Muaupoko expected their attack and they were prepared to. meet them,