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1151. AVhat size is it ?—lt is a large house. Ido not exactly know how many rooms there are in it. The Commissioner : See, Air. Brown, if his name is objected to. Mr. Brown : It is objected to. [Examination continued.] 1153. AVas his name objected to by Air. Williams ? —Yes. 1154. Your answer will be this: It appears from that roll that his name was objected to by Mr. Williams ? —I do not know whether Mr. AVilliams did object to his name. 1155. There is tho list [list shown to witness] ?—All I know is that ho had no vote—his name was not on the roll. I wonder why his name was struck off the roll; because this man has a right to have a vote, as he has land—land for which he holds a Crown grant —and a w rooden house ; and yet he has no vote. 1155 a. He has no vote in consequence of being objected to by Air. AVilliams, as appears from that list ? —Yes. 1156. Rengarehu Rata was objected to by Air. AVilliams. Are you acquainted with his household qualification ?—I am. 1157. What sort of a house is it ?—lt is an ordinary house. He is a man who is in the habit of making good houses, but he does not make very large ones ; but they are well constructed, although they are small. 1158. AVhat sort of a house did he reside in last Alarch—a year ago ?—lt was larger than this room. 1159. A well-constructed house ?—Yes. 1160. Any windows ?—lt had no windows ; but he owns Crown-granted land. 1161. I have evidence of the freehold, and am just now on the household qualifications. Do you know Hori Kati ? —I do. 1163. What sort of a household has he ?—That man has a good house. 1164. Is it a wooden or a raupo house ?—lt is a wooden house. It is not built in the same way as this Courthouse is. It is a slab hut. The trees are cut down, split into pieces, and clubbed. The planks stand on end. 1165. AVhat size is it?—lt is larger than this room —longer and wider. 1166. Is it as large as two of these rooms would be ? —No. 1167. And has it windows ?—Yes. 1168. Chimney ? —lt has no chimney. 1169. Wooden floor ?—No. 1170. AVhat sort of a floor has it ?—A ground floor. 1171. Any kind of covering on the floor? —AVhere the beds are there is covering; but in the centre it is clear, so that it may be swept. 1172. Do you know Wiremu Parateno ?—I do know him. 1173. And his household, what about it ? —I spoke of his house on Saturday. 1174. Do you know Timoti Popata ?—I spoke of his house on Saturday, too. I spoke of their houses as being near each other. 1175. AYe appear to have gone through the list as far as possible. Have you any questions to put, Air. Lundon. Mr. Lundon : Do you want any evidence on freehold qualification ? The Commissioner: Not very much. I have sufficient evidence, about that. I may tell you, Air. Lundon, that I have official communication that on grants there are ten grantees ; and I have counted in the list of applications twenty names of persons who applied in respect of that land. Now, if you cau bring out any evidence to explain that away, you are at liberty to do so. I think you may accept the fact that there are ten on tho grant iv this case. 1178. Mr. Lundon (to witness).] Are you acquainted with a block of land called Kareponia? — I am. 1179. How many grantees are there in it ?—I do not exactly know the people to whom that land belongs. 1180. Do you think it is likely that ten is the number?— Yes; I think there are more than ten in the Crown grant of that land. 1181. Do you think there are ten Natives on the grant belonging to Kareponia ?—The people belonging to Kareponia number from twenty to thirty, and I suspect there are more than ten of them in the Crown grant. 1182. Aro you in that Crown grant? —No. 1183. AVhat is tho name of the block of land opposite my house at Awanui, on the opposite side of the river? —The name of the Crown grant of the land on the opposite side to Air. Lundon's is Maimaru. That is the name given in the Crowu grant. lam in the Crown grant of that land. 1184. The Commissioner.] Yourself and others ?■ —-Yes. 1185. Mr. Lundon^] Is that not the same land as Kareponia (California) ?—lt is a continuation. 1180. The Commissioner.] Do you know whether any Natives have claimed in respect of this Alaimaru? —Those who had claims to Maimaru did; and, of course, those who were interested in Kareponia made out their claims for it: but those who claimed in Alaimaru made out their claims accordingly. 1187. Mr. Lundon.] Is there any division line between Maimaru and Kareponia ? —AVhen these two blocks were surveyed they were surveyed as one —there was one external boundary. Afterwards, they were divided —Kareponia had one half, and Alaimaru the other. 1188. AVas there a division line cut ?—Yes ; I and Campbell cut a dividing boundary. 1189. The Commissioner.] It was Crown-granted in separate blocks ?—Yes ; the Crown grant of Alaimaru is lying in my possession. 7—H. 8.

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March 17,1879.