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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

1 MONDAY. Tm HniHc met at. 7.30 p.m. Majoi Atkinson mkl, Irfoir piocreding to the nidiT-i nf tin* d.iy, hii would like to .i*U tin- ( Jo\ eminent whether tin) Premier intruded mining tlit; postponement <>f the < !o\ eminent business m order to piocecd with his remaining resolution*. Mi Stout said the House, by affirming th« iliiciidiiifnt of till' llictnbrl ful P. lit Cluiliueis, afhrmed the pnnuple tint the resolutions .i« ,i whole were negatived. M.ijoi AtkniMin asked wlii'ther tlio Pitnni'i intended keeping the ptomi«e he had nude, th .t lie (M.ijnr Atkinson) should have an opportunity of mining hi-> resolutions. Mr Stout w.iid theie was no bto.irh of ftiitji imolvi'd in his ,iction. .\L ijoi Atkinson .islccd the Spp.ikei's ruling on the question. The Spe.ikei said his impiesMou w.is that Mi M.ic.mdrew's amendment only affected the p.irticul.u resolution that h.id been before the House. Mi Stout s.tid he wns not prepaied to postpone the orders of the day. M.ijor Atkinson s.iid the Premier distinctly pledged himself to give him (M.ijor Atkinson) an opnortnnity of innving bin resolution"'. He sil-o submitted that the Pnunier had not fulfilled hi* engagements. He also submitted th.it the Premier had lost the confidence of the House and of his fellow-colonists, for. ilthoußh he h.ul had a majority ho had been told by se\er.il membeis that they did not like supposing him on that occasion. His majority was also caused by this four Maoii votes. Mi O'Callaghan rose to <i point of order. He did not think the inembei for Kgmont ssas justified in refpning to the Native memheis in th.it manner. The Spcakei said he was not justified in doing so. The niembeis of the House were all on an equal footing. Majoi Atkinson said the Premier met the hist lesolntion by .m e\ti.ioulinaiy evasion, and now hi- wis u-ing the foims of the House to pievent the icn. lining leMilutions coming on. Mr Matandiew said Major Atkinson dliould be the last man to lefei to that mattei. Did he not recollect that in 1«7 ( J he (Mr Maciindrew) h.ul niostd .1 lesolution when Major Atkinson ]>ni sued exactly the wine ciuiiie. He li.td kept the ie-,olution at the bottom of the Oidei paper until he had -ecmed foui votes to defe.it it. Col. Trimble s.iirl the |tosition in IS7'( was veiy ditfeient fiom the present. The <Jo\ eminent at that time had not had an oppoitunity of declaring their policy, and a in ijority of the House was determined they should get that oppoitunity. Mr Stout said the lnembei for ICgmont had foigotten the division list the other evening. Tf he lemenibeied lightly tbeic weie 42 votes ng.iinst his motion. He contended that the Government hul done what no othor Goveinnicnt would havo done,

namely, to meet three want of confidence motions in one night. Ho would n»k jmy person not bi.'iHiod to Hay whether Mr Macandrew's amendment had not tia versed the whole of Major Atkinson's resolutions ; b 'sides, nearly the whole of those resolutions would have to be discussed by the House during the nc-hioii. Mr W.ikefield cud the reason it wan necessary to nio\c these want of confidence, motions w. is bee line the Muuntry tthnked the question, and burked discussion by moving Mi Mac.uitliew's amendment. The manner in w Inch they escaped defeat was well known, and he would not lefei to it. He said the precedent of 1879 did not .i|>l>ly in the least to the present ca-"e. The member for Port Chalmeis knevr perfectly well that he moved his no-confidence motion in IK"!), hofoiu the Hall Minmtry weie actually in possession of the benches. They all knew what a successful leader of the Oppo sition Mi Macaiidrew was ; neither did he display any capacity for governing the countty when he was a Minister. It had been well said by a member of the House th.it the lDcmbei for Port Chalmers had muddled away two millions of money when a Minister without know ing where it went to. How then could that honourable gentleman s,\y theie were no other honourable members in the House who could govern the countiy in i\ capable mitincr. He defended the conduct of the four Auckland members in suppoi ting the Hill Minify in 187.1, and said no one could accuse these gentlemen of corrupt motives in doing no. He was surprised at the action nf the Premier in evading the present resolutions, an it was an honourable understanding by the Houne, that thi* resolution should bo dixciiHsed separately. Sir Julius Vogel said the attack made by Mr Wakeheld on the member for Port Chalmers was utterly unprovoked. He thought it would be a grand day for the member for Selwyn when he earned the respect felt in the House and tho country for the member for Port Chalmers. He contended that the member for Port ChaliiK r-. in 1870 was perfectly justified in moving a want ofconhdencc in the then (internment Kpe ik in^of the fiist icsuiution, he said if that had been earned it would hive meant thiowing r>ooor >000 lailway men out of employ, inent. He wondered how the lion, niembei for Kgniont could posts aH the leadei of the Opposition when his resolu tions weie thiown out by twelve votes The member foi O.im.iru w.»s the most successful lender of the Opposition they ha J, yet he contended that had the (iovem ment wished to bung the remaining resolutions on th'-y could not have done so, as theie was so much other business before them. He .IUO said it was the w ish of a laige uiajoiity of the House tli.it they shou'« not waste any more time, but get on with the business of the hesMon. Mr liryce said he was gratified to find that the Treasurer had such a high opinion of the member for Poit Chalmers, bo tatise if he could n fer to Hansard he would be able to show that he did not entertain such .1 f.itoui.ible opinion in times past. He did not think much impoitanco attached to the piCMint question except in so f.ir as it atfeeted the faith of the (totem ment. He contended that the position in 1S7!) and the present were not at all analogous. Mr Pr.itt said some members were annoyed at the pait taken by the Maon members on the Lit" tlevision. He thought it war- the mle )t the House th it when questions wcie discussed they should not be can icd outside the House, but he found that the Kmopeau m> tnbeis allowed their feelings to go outside. He \oted foi the < tot eminent becius-i he had bejn retiuued to do so. Mr Feigns s.iid the member who had just spoken undei stood Knghsli a-, well a-. .my inembei in the Hou-e. He thought the tl.i3s for .special Maori lepresentatioti, in tho Smith Island at any rate, were neaily at .in end, and it \\i\t< an absolute foice. He s.nd the Piemiei hid binken faith altogether v ith the meviber foi Kginont, as he (Mr Keigiis) and several othei nuinbeis weie debured fiom expressing then opinion-,, .is they imdeintiiod the lesolutlons woidd be moved sen ttim. I)i. New nun disclaimed having spoken hli^htingly of the M.uni member-, as tepie M'lited by Mr Pratt. H<> contended that tho Maoii membeis had a peif"ct light to tote a« they pleased. Mi Levc-tam defended the action of the '"MiTwr"!''. Huekl.md defended himself fiom the leinaiks in id. > by Te A > withieference to his having endeavoured to secure Ins v ote foi the Oppnsa on. Mi Hislop sud the position of the Huiise w.is that a iiiuubei of lion, member*. *imply bec.ni-e of a pledge to their constituents, had decided ti keep the (ioiernment on tin benches, although th'>y had forfeited .ill ii'^lit to the confidence of the House l.y the in tnnei in which they had abandoned all their profession^. He though' th.it was not a proper p isitioii foi those gentlemen to .issiinie. He said tiie position in 187!) tv.it. altogether diffeient to the prwut. The Picmier hid promised to give the member foi K^mont i-veiy facility for moving his i evolutions, In. t no xoonei did the motion coin." befoie the House, than the Piemiei got the member for Poit Ch.ilui'is to iis , foi the puiprxeof burking the whole discus-ioii. Mr Hui-t s.ud whatever the opinion of the House might be, the opinion of the colony would be that the I'reiniei had not acted piopeily in the couise he hnd tiken in the lesob.tion--. He thorght ft distinct breach of f.ulh had been committed by the Piemiei, and he thought it would not ledound to the eiedit of the (JorernniiMit. Mi Beeth.un said the lenrinn thr natives I), id toted in ,i block for the (iovernment w.is because the (Joverninent K»ve them pi onuses which they weie not authoiised to give. He thought the (invpiuuierit hid taken the veiy wisest enn^s potisible in avoiding the < evolutions. Mi Fish-M ~nd the com so adopted by the (losernm Mit was iinf.m, not onlr t> the House, but to the colony. He did not find ■my p iitieular fault with the four M.ioii membjis foi hiving \ <>t< <l as th 'V had done, but he found th t r. Mi Ij^llancc in his mei'tingri with the mtue« had m ide the lcnark.ible stat"inent tli if thru lands weiL l, i !> -\iMri >t ffi'in l.itii^ .ml th it s ieli .i pi ■ nisi; w in to be ' ii • i 'iii< on future li.i\er Mii-nts. It had linen asked by .1 Xatiw member vvliv the 11 i < mii 1.-nte motinu shniild h i* ■• bee l ki- it so 1 in I l the session. H" might n-ply th »t the < Jovein ment li.kl been tre >t> d t •.i i ee»s«iun nf noc mhdence motions and boon d-fented on tlii* o .ill. H • s iid it vv'.i- ri iculoux foi the Pitmier to taunt thf iin-inWr for Kgmo.it abfiut not being ablts to cirrj' a no enifi'l>'!ici' motion when t.lie (iovoiiinienf had tmrly in the m-s-sion been defe.iti d on a c 'ldin il |»>int of its fisc.il jmililj b> no )e-s than H7 votes. Mi \Vi J'eie said the re-ts.nn why tl.e Maot i lneiub'is had given a block tote, was because the Euiope.in mi"iibeis voted .ignilst niatti-is affecting the Native lace. He refeired to the Native lands Disposition Hill at gieat length. Majoi Atkinson said it was a grei't mistake to suppose that the Natives were being beftei tieated now than fotmcily. He might tell them they vveio being deluded by pioiiiNes by the (internment which would nevei be fulfilled. He considered that (io\ernm(>nt was to blame for wasting the tin o of the House by not having given a stiaightforvv.ud answer to his question eaily in the evrning. He sm'd he had been entnely milled by the action of the (internment. Ministers weie afraid to face the teiwliitioris sep.uately and had (shirked the whole question. He contended that it was impossible in discussing the estimates to considei \v bother the East and Went Coast Hallway should be conntructcd, ai they would be confined to the discussion of the it'Miis. As to the Treasurei's stiteiiient that .')000 men would be thrown out of employment if the resolution limiting the expendituio weie earned, he said not a single in in need be dischaiged m consequence of it. Ife said that the (iovemment had given him a distinct pledge that he should have an oppoitunity of inning Ins lesolutlons, and had altogether failed to fulfil tli.it piomise. The motion foi the adjournment of the House was then put and lost. Mi Stout moved that the Municipal Cor potations Hill and the Kepiesentation Ait Amendment 15ill bo discli!Hg«d fiom the oulei pipei. Mi Wakeheld asked why the Kopiesnntition JJill was withdia.vn. Mi Stout said it was found impossible this year to get the foui principal cities to agieo to the bill. Dunedin and Wellington were abeady in favour of it, but the other two cities weie not as yet inclined to support the moisuie. He hoped by next session to be in a position to pan* the bill. The motion for the disehaige of the two bills was earned, and the House went into c iniuuttee on the Kabbit Nuinance Act Cmtinuance Bill, which passed ivithout amendment. Tho House nevt went into committee for the fin thei consideiation of th* Moitgagn Debentures P>ill (Left Sitting.)

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Waikato Times, Volume XXV, Issue 2052, 1 September 1885, Page 2

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Waikato Times, Volume XXV, Issue 2052, 1 September 1885, Page 2

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Waikato Times, Volume XXV, Issue 2052, 1 September 1885, Page 2

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