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Wairarapa Daily Times, Volume 5, Issue 1377, 12 May 1883, Page 2

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[ONITED PEEBS ASSOCIATION]. New Plymouth,; Friday. Leadoni whilst working at his' brewery at Waitara.fell iritp'a i! yat of boiling liquid and was fearfully scalded, about tho.shoulders. ,■ •/. •.,': -. -.'A "', 1 ■ I. '■ * FIRE AT RIVERTON. - v ■■.:.-■ ■ -vjii! =>;U--.i-.il :' -i ' Imsßckiaihit] Friday. : News is to hand of si destructive fire at Eiverton. • Itbrote-out'thhf morning in a stable^attache T d !i tb ;-; Morgan Hayes' Caledonip;Hptel, and despite all efforts, spread,frpiji; thence to the south end 6f the'block,-' where its' progress was, stopped by'a .cross street.. On the otlier;'feidG;'pf;i||iis!i;was' Clapps' Commercial ,\Hoteli which at times in .great sdanger,: but';was; saved by the application; of wet (blankets to the The County Council, offices narrowly (escaped, but. being *of brick the flames failed to gain hold.- 'The* following buildings' were Hotel, Bacon : shoemaker,i Campbell's butchery,'Pattison's Globe Hotel, Scpbie draperj Hancock: sh'oemak'erj. Willett storekeeper, and ;.Pye. ( & ..Bullied, drapera;;;; jei0,000; : :;i All||^ie, Bacon, the ambuiits but the'te are ittt.Kejrj Zealaiid vM kk'd'SputK; British. ' ' May.";! Twenty-four Chbaraen;were wrested: laßt :^^^^i&'^lSey j will be brought «p thu afternoon.

MAfiRToiSiBATIN&'. SOCIETY. '•■■:. l^C±ll^-i--:;/;. meeting ;wai,]ie!d last evenH.^tfieabiseniype president at l&tmft, meeting ' Mip'-I!!^Price was Welftpi the%ssWminutes were read and cpnfirmedr^T'-, : ?:; ,; Mr Park again opened; the debate, and •aid ha' disappobted at the. last, Mitiilgi'lii none oFthe oppmentrof the scheme had brought forward a Dingle Bjramej!^ HeW tfiatlhecbntributionl feqaifeS : from young men was a trifle, and the opener of the opposition did not.showjhat it wa» o. heavy,, t call upi^lthM.^ApVrentijeg ; - ►were /'nob' (required |(b|papwhilCthey: were net oat distress. waa, to compel theTiinproviderit" to hear their • osnsurtes i? Ih'e thrifty, f torn tlWßupeor(;)of tbp Sdnthrif ty. With' regard to,the Qothebberg'scheme, not' 'do' 'awa/ with' the various' other causes of poverty : which' existed; y With) regard'; to;- the Major'Atkinson deolared he could make them ; pay tj and dq doubt he would find a way'w.'do/sd.,' jF|r iendly^, Sooietiea .would 1 Wo'fcgreaj,valuelto'ihejioheme,py, auiat< inii ! ,to, carrjj; it'.out'^, : v^"^i''^i \- [ < : ■. Mrß'e'dman'Bhjrhe oould not.throw any lightfup'onifthe /Bdhjeotr'No idea of the, of, the scheme hso;, been 'gir!enV; : The'; ; difßoultiesi\ofiirockirtf(. the ; thiug;were„enorinoua,': Let the (Governl, 'merit impose a tax in a manly. formdouble the .Property Tax, This scheme was simply pushing the scheme forward for io'mething,;-ihat;migbt;occor.:; :It:waa not ah insurance at all. Major.£tkm«on; shouldnive it a proper name. " ''" | Mp Broadbent, had <i)ot r read ■ much aboufthe maUer,.but by personal feeling ; 'alia* by his own ; Biill, if people,more thrifty,'do ibby all' means.(Mr Brown the President, here took his peat). Y,-V ».?'■' ut/ 'i i ( ( \ Jftf that M#i bettor 'stand over tiU'th'e poor came and advocated the energies of f the .prompters being directed, to' more' advantageous. channels! Mr Price argued that it was a disgrace 1 to os.that'we had poverty in our midst, caused through drink. The scheme would ; .reliovo distress, but not. prevent poverty, i fTtfe ! 'so'oiefy. Ut The 'Govornmenf might go | further and pass a law., forbidding people i to become poof, ,'--'Hb •believed in' the ) Government striking at the root of evil—the drintjtraffio." ; > ( Thai' scheme 'should , have been the total abolitjou of tho, liquor .; trade. (Applause);'':'.' j j '■'" } [ MrTapperel criticised'the speeches of ? thenffinnatiye.-sppakorg,at■ the previous meeting.'

Mr .Roydhoußo pointed, out;that the) opposition, said..really,, nothing,. ;about 'Major, Alkiiisoii's'schpei.but. each pro: posed one of trieir own which they considered superior.,,/ ~ ~ , •-, , /.• , Mritapp argued that'the proposal was simply a repetition of the old thing-tax, tax; tax, /Let the Government dp. awii'y wiib pensions,. abolish' the Upper; House, and:givo; utp 1 Government'steanT yaohts, and they would not then need the.scheme,.. Major Atkinson .was'simply*'increasing 1 poverty. Pepplo would Bpme.day make a 'staud against thtscoDtindai taxing. Far better Would it be if Major Atkinson made a progressive iProperty { Tax',' and saved,the money, now thrown away.on' political jobbery.' Tax unimproved land at the flame rate as improved holdings, and they would,, hayij) 6npupl| : money to keep t])e poor without putting fresh burdens upon thettf (applause). ';';''' Mr A. Thompson held that' bo good argument- had^been brought forward in favor 1 'of the scheme. Major' 'Atkinson said, pauperism \w imminent, meaning > that tlie.'habits'of the older set'tlera were

bringing it to pass, but (he speaker argued that the. rising generation would profit by the failings' of ; theitf elders, and thusavertthe'danger.' Mr Wiokeraou maintained,that it was : fbr'the, Opposition 'to'",'fln'd"',argu'meui b against the BCherue,' 'The affirmative side haii ttie .sobdrne itself,,-He pointed out how very oa4y.it; wasto crlijoise even the 1 most perfect work and how hard a task it was to refute the cavillers. The scheme was before them and'he'must.say he agreed with it, ! Mr Brown wid,.pn.jthis occasion ho felt bound to rifja and give the sobemehii hearty support, He felt, however, that Major. Atkinson liad ! ohoaeh a bid name for the affair, He should have called it the Grand National Insurance Co,, or the State Benefit Society.. He had called it a I* sobeme" 'and 'those who proposed a "aoheme",w.eregenerallyilooked uponas " schemers," nnda feeling ot distrust was created as to their intentions, He noticed objections had been made to tbe'liphenw" onf !!it, "Iwoulilj create poverty. That, iii.fapt,jtliere;wore persona already'prepared to ,ljecomo sick, or evea to die, in order to deprive the country of some of its surplus wealth,. He did not quite follow the'objec^rs.there.',Others had objeoted the groundi",th»l the' abheme 1 ' would -create a new department, ffoll, lie,, woald ,ppint, out. that, a new department was necessary every year, or where would the Government obtain its support J. : ■ In ■ • his -opinion it; would be best to let the' local; bodies collect and keep thecontrikationsundor the scheme, -AM'tbit they'should ",keep',' ; the poor,; whom they could first cremate, and there-: by prevent a waste of money. With regard to loafers, as soon as the. scheme beoarae law, there would not be any. , They would all be raa'deponsionera'orcollectors, Poverty was not the. result, as many said, of indigestion nor of dnrik,..bnt- of hitman nature. It could be easily abolished by Major- Atkinson removing the cause, He would suggest to Major jAtkinaon if he'was'hard upj : one or ,two other schemes, Let him introduce a law compelling a public meeting to be held once a week in all centres, of the population, at the, end of, which a, collection ,oould, i^,jm^.'fi)r;i the; Government: or let alibocompeilod to keep cats and levy a tax uponjthem.irilnjconclußion.ho felt bound to Bay the 'scheme was quite-nortbv-of Atkinson,,and that, he. should vote against it.' The Bpeaker,sat down, amid great laughter. MrHall/regreftedj that nothing'had. been'brought! forward?in favor?of thescheme, With regard to tho treatment of ;improvident.people*he aaked-if.-any one present could imagine the size of-the gaol required to hold these if they were^''b'e : treated as criminals.*rlf-Major! Atkinson had the of good humanity at heart he deserved all honor for'his efforts, but the soheme was simply a false pretehOß/ and he would'try to prevent if being; carried into effect, (applause), i. \J(^'-"' i ' Mr Feilding still held that.the plan was a grand one, cpmipg from the brain of a man of Any 'person" who, like Mr Hall, came to a, sudden conelusion without sound/ argument couH not betaken any-notice of. <Mr Brown had simply made a burlesque speech on a scheme "which was /a grand one, The' money was plaoed to the credit of every man, woman, and/ child in the colony, just the Bame. asvif it was lodged'in, the sivings- bank, bat even if, nB : had been ;«aid, the money was only to pay off, the, ■llj'ani of the colony, then ,th'ey. iouldi only be doißg what hpnesf after >all. : He hoped ill would BuppoH Majo|Atkiri-, ion'a nbble^'plan*for: the/ "relief aud i M&i'i h .Mr Park' itf reply; pointed out that proviikn must immedutely be made for

thei supooft of. our charitable lusUlulioM, and if Major Atkinson's Boheme is ».•■■•: jested we would hare to fell back upon the ■ : old system of eonipelling the provident to provide for the improvident.lhf spe&tt also pointed out that the /teat iault ex sting friendly looietiesWthe want of wourity, whichi they are; to offer to members, A member ho said might pay into his benefit society for thirty or forty years, and afterWariia through some mil* fortune might; beropmpellJcTl(rtoPpay« ing.in his ho would lose all b'enefiU ffoiff hiry ety iyt at the tlfflfi'whM'he mosffequ'iredWem. Mr Park Bnbmjttedihat Major AtkinsbuV sohpe'||ovid?alhe necessary security, Tbe'i-Bpeaker conoluded after .aertrely handling one or two, sVeweW<iorW .demning the scheme while iKey admitted theyhai neither read.nor ondentood it. The question was then pat and four voted in favoranpV four padnit. '.(hi Chairman theWgtve his caajw! vote with the Noes. 'Several member* bad left the i.rppm IM)u and Ihre'anott'bie'mberßp'eseht'd'ia liot rote.