MASTERTON DEBATING SOCIETY.

Wairarapa Daily Times, Volume 4, Issue 1144, 5 August 1882, Page 2

MASTERTON DEBATING SOCIETY.

.tfi tie I'-.'r.ooiic. j ' jTljerp''was i a^ net's o( the'•'fi[a«tflr& jJebVting Society last evening, Mr Qrundy, the President, (jco|ipyjpf{ tj}e r phai r, ? Thosij, bj ectl (or the evening New Zealaud Government spend- money on National idefencesi 1 ';/&%j I # tyfv.a J i'

, Mr \Vbodrciofo/opeiTed : - debate nn the negative - side', He said that the New.rfZealand\o6vernmem i liad-?alrkdy shown its weakness./ It had, created a paradi ,hencS |hejr shuiild not the tbta'bf liberty to 'defend.'lit)' ai|'exp» ijve acale, : -' V^ife^dy'' had beep, -waited on thp principal ports of New Zealiijit|rv feai^vt})ooo,ooo i tihftbiiai] tsf,, thg'y,., coiijd ra do.; •. tuHhinj; against a foreign power. The House of Representatives-. Swiinriedavitb 'trienibedaubed will} l - military-Miotiorfl, l antPthe rage tor' deienees'ivas* the oijtcfjmp: of irl It was only ' the 'thiii' oiyd fifft'hp wedge. •They hd a they would soon be in the sad eonditionof the debtrburdened . peopie*fof..>Epy.pt•The mure diahoneststh'eyAwere, the more frightened they became. If they had all !the drilences'iif it' tfould not ward off 'civil jnghten-away a forbigq foe. f padgts schools were (Her.oly gladiators, and wo'uld ; 'joo'ii • be'iea'dy to outeaoh other's throats."' Tlie' annaments of New Zealand,"before.'theysatisfiedthe English mind, would awallqw . up thb resources of the Government,'' 'The maintenance too 'per mouth.,. hot ,be governed"ftooi; an ;l}iiirji|ji;pi).i.nt of; viewjMr,ißi'yM>jia'd 1, seridusly " cunsidored -the h { |d -hp-gerjoußly considered ' who was- tOjp^y;f<ifr them J- N : employj ,ers would be pot} .and jf Jbeywere they, jieiision. fHe .again .'tl}g. i ,in^rtial i training of bhildip In pjlb|ic jbip gla<jjia.tprs .and-siieddprs of aftflikw ex-j haustiye address,; tyß/'iPpeaker sac,,down s amitfc?ppl«9*e.,>i kw, i#>:l -iMr Bryant (whoj drewAthe.. affirmative ■by ballnt)'said Mr Woodroofe had oarriedj .him. wi.!hjliii|i,' and it.puld, .for ; wHu would; not have tagpealtjasains^.hißiqoiiscjence.i ... .*W3«lflWfß'. did e 1 or ; form.v Proteotingahe.four; large ports' of .the! colony,;would 'be*insufficient-for the defence of the colony,and ; Ka con-! sidored the Gover'rtnient'du'ihVtri'call out; . ; >iiß whole of the'' militia for proper traiii-i tog. ■' .fMr.'T, E.;. Pricß ;.oonsidered ; \that. ft.;| would be a I'reat.-wasta of money to go 1 iiii ifor.soolonialr,defences; .<;Heiithoughti ■..that Great' Britain - before' going-'to war; ■ho'uld consult- the cqloniea.' ::';lf 'his-irerej done- he ;be! Ie vpd' tli'ei'e wiwld'Jw very, feiy.' war's, and'thrftarticila'f one'nav taking place ! Egypt would have been avoided,, * MrParkthbught Mr Price's~opinioiiß ! were ( .ohildish.as.to.the If their. a small' prjvatejr with one gun t onuldßenter any' consideredwap/ iyhiitj the Gjveninjenll proposed to'prpyacfe agaitiSt'. s Th'ej.wishe'd | :td'p'i'oteoi' towria,'not'againat seetß,"bu't aaiiinst'jtr ; ay s eriliserSi.c (..The was their present frn^ana, foi^ : .ther defence,.;of f ,-..msn.o cHaj V : r Mr Webster thought "Mr Woodroofe had taken'an dtfre'me view-oft the intentions of. the A oolony with a lar|»e, seaboard^ 'would,, in of waivbo subject to a'raid'froma privateer whose oHjeof'wbnld be 1 : to' * i)h ! (iin money froin the large centresrof, population. TJhe further I ;th'ftn-' r r«aißting J this The.joss of any lorge stock of bulHpnr.;jyould"tend .to «re'»te bankthe country;, (Anplause.) Tlia'Esv. Mr isitt said lhat Mr Wnod-. roofe, rominded Mr, Montgomery, inasmuch" l as' b'e"wa«' a great' source of to/his He appeared W'odrisider'tliat'ev'eVyi man was dishojiestr enoepting .himself/r.gome'i'of his quotations would have done credit to Silas 1 SWegg'/dn'd his' Btyie Si (if-afgi]men' reminded him'ofthe 'oratdrwho said, '-I smell a.rat, I see' him in the air. Let,us nip h jiii ; iri the b'litl." great , jfr side,'b'ut they" snare' his^extreme views. While it vras_desirable to defend the colony if it wflre.Dosiibla : to do so, th» f,qrmatjp,n.rof ; psjpiieli 'that the defences would merely irritatq ah enemy, had allowed m'en of-war b'elongingto other nfttfoqi to f ßU|fvey tjjejr harbors,. . He had himself, ;! 'aV-Ancklah'd men belonging tb a~probable hpßt|le,powar taking landing' at daybreak. '" With such J iriformatioirit was quite janj.eqemy'i tlie Harbur^t'could'bom: b^rd ( 'tiie to'wii froid' aMiata n 6e. ;'Snppo'Jii l g that the wei'e'pfdtectSd,"a by .making a oo .etnal}«r. tgwoß ' tot t £ovintloe<^ r w^defenQfi^' i better, the ■power. (4ppl»uao)t.';ri;ib'ff Vt : !i> a? I Mr ineoniisti> ency of Mr Isitt supportitigJlriWoodroofo after ce;tjoising-J;bq> >;puie<U}>ipade by that ! meml|j(r< ) rtilSß,^mlyiobjil^yed: tbatjuir i!waiiaijtttteViut, • if: other- countries bad armiei they ; w*rt compelled id self di-

fence to'do the wiihed for peace should for wtr. Eipeladimre on ffM merely an||au® oe againßl|lri||® In the event of & j||iaera Colony, they w®Td,ro|ke wheru wealth fas accSllPrJf was.a matter of prudence suoh centra, and he was prepared to. take the opinion the~effio»c,v j.)j,, tha proposed defences tothatofme'nT«r fa of the Mttßierton Debating Society, It ■ men in any. Mt uf New Zealand, but_a vessel coujcjMylimOVM*amall fio'dyl (■ which could;-eMily'-fieicSped with. P'Ho' thought they should uphold the Government in fortifying the principal ciliei'iviii "if-itrcoat-hnudreds of thousands of pouudtiJtpldojK Z ( Applaliaa).TJ4 JfUT (V4.L i Mr McCardle said that Mr Woodroofu and he had once been friends, but they had out the painter. (A laugh). "The" fault, of oouMejT'.waßi^jottfJtfr^WjOo^ ; roofe's side I"- He had come'iMhe-coti I elusion ]tbaljphi)i could not aupport -Mi: oh We-prealnfr ocoaiidji, asw considered that towns like Wellington and LyUelttim were.very, easily-defeuded/'timl thai' if was Very-desirableii thativflieyi! should be protected. ■' ,MrPny)on arguoJJ that asaVrtiim' tnrfj the proposec3 defeqcea weVe * an inßuran'oe was a fullaby. _ HJ Mr Redman pointed out that-'nothing, had the; or shore armaments! the efficient, defeuoH''.Wpuld "be a (of'lqypetfb? bp'a&,*|anil sfdered that the advocatesjfrm'dfcfgnpe. should have specified the rlaturl Wtlfe-' armaments whicb ( they,advocated. y..' ' Mr Hogij 'e!idohVd'4he/«pit|nen|| of tHey should ertdeilv.;!''' toplM§.tlieir ; cpm<'; mercial vessels in s.ich a po'Sitton that nthey ootfldi-be;.rei>dily' 9qiiip,edffo&, ; dev fence; andhave volunteers ntsea as tfell as on laud. Great Britain!! cinef'strength' had always'b'dafthirnavyv-atid sKb wm ap i excellent model for us inlhirrespeot. He thought thSy 6b® obtain Engjaiid' the loan f of war vesajSls ; wl}'iclj''liad been superadded at' , Mt Isitt ask ed : if.. land defences or'a to shore;.defencea, ■; .s-.-,; "' The President considered : the!prdposah of the Government 'wotild Be- tlle basii ofthe'j.)'ie IB is Was 1 ;he|l|oc.e fi )Mr Wnodtfoofe, '4e.alß6; : pointed'oi|t'th'st if seemed to be forgotten- < eftioicnt. iiiHi'ine protection was kfforded '-by tho not t<> lm|it the question-to shoredefeuces.. ■ lOn the (jueyigii.being put from Jhe 'chair it wqsomiM in %ho Affirmative to fourteen votesiq'tunV " H -*