DEFEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

Tuapeka Times, Volume V, Issue 241, 12 September 1872, Page 5

DEFEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

September 6 The debate was continued yesterday 1 Mr Tolmie and Mr Andrew; both for i Government.

Mr Onnond followed with a three hon: speech.

Mr Stafford then rose to reply. He sa that last session the Opposition support the Brogden contract, because they felt th the honor of the Colony had been pledget and how Mr Reeves admitted this. I quoted the estimate of Sir Chas. Fox and others, and of the railways in Queenslan which cost about L 2,300 per mile. I reiterated that the Government had be< warned of the rise in the price of iron. Ii migration was unsatisfactory ; 11,600 pc sona were to arrive before the end of t year, and no prevision was made for th< settlement. He said his idea of settlemei and called by the Government confiscatio was to settle families at intervals along tl lines of railways, and between towns. I reckoned they could thus establish about ' villages, requiring 40,000 acres from the fi Provinces of the Middle Island. The owne of land would be glad of the project. I would propose a measure, tentative and pc missive. He next dwelt on the speeches the Premier, and explained that when 1 went to England,it was at his ownexpens He drew no pay. All the Ministers r mained at the seat of Government. I showed he had not drifted into two war He found war inevitable on his return fro England, and had nothing to do with tl war in 1863. He criticised the speeches members of Government. He had effecte while in office, the saving promised in h celebrated speech. The Native Minister sa he (Mr Stafford) had large funds at his d posal ; but the expense of the militia, volu teers, and Natives was one third of what was at present. The civil service was getth demoralised, and permanent officers we becoming political partisans. He referred the necessity for some Home postal servic and showed Mr Vogel's statements as to t necessity for his L 300.000 > reasury Bills be incorrect. He defended the member f Parnell (Mr Reader Wood) against the char of having employed 4000 British troops at L a head at the expense of the Colony. He h; received many letters on .Native matters, ai they all objected to the Native Lands Coui A continuance of the present system wou end in there being a swarm of pauper Maori in the' colony ."which would be highly da gerous. He objected to Koad Boards taki unproductive Maori land. If taxation w necessary it should take the form of mani labour. He had also received letters obj< ting that the power to buy native lai should rest exclusively with the Governmei The Native reserves had been mismanage The Maoris should be represented in t Upper Mouse and in the Executive. T confiscated lands should be partly given for reserves, villages, and schools, and part to sundry tribes for divsion among the; selves.

The resolutions were then put serintim. <] the first — "That, in the opinion of tj House, the administration by the presej Government of the Public Works and Inm gration Policy has been unsatisfactory," t voting was ayes, 40; noes, 37. The a nouncement of the resu t was received \vi great cheering. The division list was follows : —

AYES. Mr Brandon Mr Mervyn Mr J. C. Brown Mr Murray Mr Bryce • Mr O'Conor Mr Buckland Mr G. B. Parker Mr Bunny Mr Reid Mr Calder " Mr R. Richardson Mr Clark Mr Rolleston Mr Collins Mr J. Sbephard Mr Creighton Mr Sheehan Mr Curtis Mr Stafford Mr Fitzherberfc MrSwanaon Mr Gillies Mr Thomson Mr Hallensteia Mr Waketield Mr Ingles Mr Webster Mr Johnston . Sir J. C. Wilson Mr Kenny Mr White Mr Leod Mr Williamson Sir D. Monro Mr Wood Mr Munro HOES. Mr Andrew Major Jackson Mr Bathgate Mr C. Parker Mr J. E. Brown Mr O'Neill Mr Bluett Mr Onnond Mr Carrington Mr O'Rorke Mr Fox Mr Peacock Mr Gisborne Mr Reeves Mr Harrison Mr Reynolds Mr Henderson " Mr E. Richardson Mr Hunter " ' Mr Rhodes [ Mr T. Kelly Mr Seymour , Mr W. Kelly " MrT. L. Shepherd t Air, Luckie Mr Studholme Mr Macandrew Mr Steward Mr M'Gillivray Mr Tolmie Mr. M'Glashan Mr Tribe Mr M'Lean Mr Yogel PAIES. For the Motion. Against it. Mr Bradshaw Mr Pearce Karaitiana Katene Parata Taiaroa On the second resolution — " That habitual absence of Ministers from the S of Government during the recess, which suits in their conducting important operati without frequent opportunities of consult each other, prevents that concert and uu of action between the several ' Departme essential to the efficient direction of pul affairs, either Executive or Legislative, ? largely increases the cost of Governmei there voted ayes, 39 ; noes, 38. Mr T liamson, of Auckland, voted with " noes." On the third resolution "Tl in order to administer the Public Works s Immigration policy ia the most efficient i economical manuer, the Colonial Gove ment should retain the full responsibi for the proper conduct of all works aut rized and the sole control over all an voted by Parliament ; and should, w practicable, avail itself of any existing F vincial or other local machinery in the pervision or execution of such works." ' voting was ayes, 40 '; noes, 36. Our 1 own correspondent telegraphs " Tolmie advised that the task of reconstr tion should 'be left to the Government i if they did not manage ft satisfactorily ' House should turn them out. Mr Orm( spoke for more than three hours. He m a telling speech, completely clearing j« the charges made against the Goveramt The Opposition were absent from their pla by design, while the Minister for Pu Works was speaking Mr Staffo speech lasted for two hours : it was \ good, and was listened to by a full Hoi The division took place at 2 am. • a which the House adjourned till '7.30 t to-day. The Government supporters this afternoon. The new Ministry has yet been declared.'| '

An analysis of the division-lists will prove interesting. It shows, in the first place, that the Province of Auckland furnished the strongest support to the Opposition :—: — Province. Members. Govt. Opp. Auckland ... 15 5 10 Taranaki ... 4 4 0 Hawkesßay 2 2 0 Wellington... 9 4 5 Nelson ... 7 2 5 Marlborough 3 12 Westland ... 3 2 1 Canterbury... 12 7 5 Otago ... 19* 8 10 Islands South Island 46 22 23 North Island 32 15 17 . 78 37 40, It is curious that the same number voted with the "ayes" in 1872 as in 1869. It was on Thursday, June 25, 1869, that Mr Fox carried his " no-conn-deuce" resolutions — 40 going into the lobbies trith him, and 29 with Mr Stafford. This time tiie majority was 3. 3.20. p.m. Ministers had a meeting of their supporters to-day. They decided to resign. Mr Stafford has been seat for. At a meeting of the Ministerial party, Mr Fox announced his resignation ; and it was unanimously agreed to act constitutionally in opposition. All those who voted with the Government were present. September 7* Mr Fox made a statement that, in consequence of the vote come, to, and with the concurrence and request of his, colleagues, lie tendered his resignation, but will hold office till his successors relieve them. He advised his Excellency to send for Mr Stafford. He expressed his gratification that the relations between the Government and -the Governor had been so satisfactory, and likewise with the Imperial Parliament. Mr Stafford said he had accepted the task, and on Tuesday hoped to make a statement of a satisfactory character. Humor says that Messrs Reid, Curtis, Wood, and Gillies will form the new Ministry. Sir D. Munro and the Hon. Mr Holmes will be leaders in the Upper House. Defections are already appearing from Mr Stafford's disorganised party, and it is currently believed that Mr Stafford will not retain office through the session.

There was great excitement in the House when the division was called. Every member Voted, and there were no pairs. The galleries were packed with anxious faces. One Opposition member was kept nnder lock and key all day from fear of skedaddling. 3.20 p.m. The new Ministry a*-e reported to be Messrs Stafford, Waterhouse, Gillies, Reid, and Curtis. The formation is not complete.