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EVENING SITTING.

On the House resuming Sir Donald McLean moved that the debate on the Abolition Bill be postponed until Sir George Grey's motion be disposed of. Mr Beid opposed, saying, the question of Abolition was more important. Mr Bolleston opposed the postponement of Sir George Grey's motion, as the question of the Administration of Native Lands was too important to be shelved.

MrFitzherberfc thought the Government should give some gcod reason when they proposed io intercept the ordinary business of tbo House. Such a course was (raly-ade^i.-d by ministers when a vote of want of confidence was under discussion. Such was not +be ease now, and it was not fair to pervert and torture the- words of Sir George Grey's motion into such a meaning.

The question was put and decided on the voices, that the debate on Sir George Grey's motion be continued.

Mr White moved an amendment that the question be reported to a committee of the whole House.

This was ruled by the Speaker to be out of order.

■ Mr White then moved that leave be given to introduce the proposed Bill that day six months.

Mr Reid blamed the member for Timaru for making this a party "ijuestion. Unpleasant rumors which might be without foundation wer© afloat respecting the disposal of certain confiscated lands, and the matter should be disposed of, and the Government should n«t have derogated from their position by refusing leave to introduce the bill. Recollecting the strict enquiry made into the sale of certain lands in Ota go, he wondered why the same course should not be adopted now. The Government may have considered the introduction of the proposed bill to be tantamount to a vote of want of confidence, and if the Government permitted. it they would virtually admit having committed wrong, although ifc was said the block of land referred to had been open for sale for several years, and thatihe purchase of the same, and the formation of a road to it had been of very great benefit to the district.

Messrs. G-ibbs and Pyke thought the motion necessarily involved a vote of want of confidence.

Mr W. Kelly said the laud referred to was only third clais. There was plenty more of the. same kind which he would be glad to see given away to enterprising companies to utilise. Much as had been said about the value of this swamp land he believed it not improbable that the purchasers would lose £100,000 over it. He would vote against the introduction of the bill.

Sir George Grey replied. He said if the Government had complied with the resolution of the Legislative Council, that confiscated land should cease to be sold under, Orders in Council, this motion would: not, have been introduced. He had been shocked to hear the Native Minister say they intended to legalise an illegal act by an Order in the Council. His object would be obtained if the Government gave him an assurance that they would take no step to legalise the sale until due enquiry into circumstances had been made.

(Mr Bowen said the Government were prepared to state what they intended to do but not until the present motion was disposed of.) Sir George Grey continued —He had never, contemplated his motion as one of want of confidence/and bad not

consulted any of his party, and if he was forced to a division he should leave the House.

A- division was called for, when Sir George Grey and nearly all of the Opposition walked out. The result was—ayes 8; noes 42. Sir Donald McLean then announced that the Government would move for a select committee to enquire into the whole matter. In the meantime no Order.in Council "*x 'reference thereto would be issued.

The Abolition debate was resumed by Mr T. L. Shepherd in support of the Bill. He considered that provincial institutions were now quite useless. They were all very well in the early days, when the .means of communication were very difficult. But now with steamers and telegraphs the country could be easily and much more economically governed from one centre. He thought fie outlying districts would fare much better when Provincial Governments were abolished. He was sorry Sir George Grey should allow the Opposition members to take advantage of his " honest simplicity" by making use of his name and prest:ge, for it was rot under the banner of Provincialism they ranged themselves* but rather their cry was they were led by Sir George Grey. He believed the gold duty would have been abolished long ago but for Provincial Governments, because it was Provincial revenue; bul when the Provinces are abolished and tie duty goes to the consolidated revenue, the question would be treated as one of po^cy, without raferance to provinces; aid it would then be found that gold nr.nitig was an industry to be eucoiraged and not exceptionally taxed. Mr Shepherd spoke for atoat an hour, to a very thin house.

Mr Brandon spoke in favor of Provincia 1 institutions.

Major Jackson would vote for the Bill in all its stages, and endeavour to get it passed t'ais session. On the motion of Mr Eclleston the debate was adjouvned. The House rose at n?!dn;ght. -, . Division list: — Noe ? >— r , Andrew, Blu3tc, Swanson. — Aye 3■— Atkinson, Balance, Bowen, J. C. Brown, Bryce, Buckland. Ca^rlngton, Creighlca, Curtis, Gibbs, Inglis, Jackson, .. Johnston, Katene, W. Kelly, T. Kelly, Kenny, - Luc'iie, May, McGillivray, McGlashan, McLean, Mervyn. Monro, Ormond, Par. ta, Parker, Pearce, Pyke, Beynolds, Richardson, Bichmond, J. Shepherd, T. L. Shepterd, Stafford, Steward, Tribe, Wales, Wabb, Williams, Wilson. Absent members — Bradshaw, J. E. Irown, Cuthbertson, O'Neill, Wakefield..

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Thames Star, Volume VII, Issue 2063, 14 August 1875, Page 2

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EVENING SITTING. Thames Star, Volume VII, Issue 2063, 14 August 1875, Page 2

EVENING SITTING. Thames Star, Volume VII, Issue 2063, 14 August 1875, Page 2

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