DEATH OF MRS KLENNER

Taranaki Daily News, Volume LII, Issue 10, 5 February 1909, Page 4

DEATH OF MRS KLENNER

MAGISTERIAL INVESTIGATION. 1)K. GOODE CHARGED. THE SECOND DAY. Yesterday morning Mr. il. S. Fitzherbert, S.M., resumed the enquiry iuto tlie charge of murder preferred against Dr. E. Goode in connection with the shooting of Mrs. Klenner at Wuitara on 14th December. Mr. T. S. Weston, Grown Prosecutor, conducted the prosecution, and Mr. A. 11. Johnstone, with bim Mr. Wilkes, appeared for the accused.

Dr." Claridge's evidence was resumed, Mr. Johnstone again taking objection to the admission as evidence of the conversation between wituess and accused at the police station. The evidence was put in. Witness deposed that whilst the accused was sitting in the police ollice he said, "Dr. Claridge, don't you come near me." 1 replied that 1 had come to attend to his injuries. Then he said, "You come near me, you , and I'll knock your brains out." He was handcuffed at the time. He was wearing a white shirt, blood-stained, a pair of trousers, and a shirt. The whole of the front of the shirt was bloodstained. There was A LOT OP RAD LANGUAGE

used. 1 told hiin not to make a fool of himself, aud after a lot of argument \s to whether I should dress his wounds or not, I told him that if he didn't behave himself he wouhl be handled. He said, "You can't well handle mo." I replied, "I'm not going to try, but there are plenty here who can," That seemed to quieten him for a time, aud he asked me to take his handcuffs off, I said I couldn't, and he replied, "Von can't be much of a doctor if you can't take my handcuffs off." We then started to take his shirt off, and to do that we had to cut it. The shirt produced is the one. At this Dr. Goode raved considerably, and he was especially bitter towards Constable Price, lie said, " Price, you , I ought to have shot you when I had the chance. Do you call yourself a man? I don't. You're only a (a filthy term was used)." After a lot of trouble I managed to dean up and dress the wounds in his head, and when I came to the one under his chin, he said, "You can't do anything for that. . "IT'S THE JUGULAR."

I said, "Don't be a fool/' He answered, "Yea, it is. I know it's the jugular by i the drip, drip, drip." Mr. Weston: Was he bleeding? Dr, Claridge: No. Witness resumed tE&t he dressed the wounds, and then aeoused was placed in the cell. Detective Boddam arrived just before the dressing of the wounds was finished, and removed accused's handcuffs. All this took about two and a half hours. In the ordinary course it would have taken about a quarter of an hour. Accused made no explanation of how lie sustained the injuries, but said, "You're a clever lot of , but old Ned Goode will beat you all yet." Mr. Jenkins was in the office part of the time, and tried to pacify Dr. Goode. A pair of pince-nez was produced. The witness had seen these picked up in the sitting-room of Klcnner's house after Mrs. Klenuer's removal. There was blood upon them. Constable Price was there when they were found. Witness was present when Constable Price produced the pince-nez iu the police office. Dr. Goode reached over and said. "Those are urine. Give thein to me/' or something like that. He was acquainted with Dr. Goode, who always wore glasses. He could not say that those were Goode'.?, but he wore similar ones. In his presence a cartridge case was picked up in the room, as well as the crown of a lower bicuspid tooth. Examination showed that it did not belong to Mrs. Klenner. He put it in his jwckct-book, and when he found it did not belong to Mrs. Klenner he put it Jlown somewhere. lie did not know "what became of it after that. In the police station Dr. Goode said he had never said anything against the witness, but Dr. Claridge had spoken against him. The witness was the best opposition he could possibly have. He did not consider Dr. Goode was drunk at the police station. He was

EXCITED AXD EXCEEDINGLY ANGRY . because of the indignity placed upon him by hU being arrested and handcuffed, In witness* opinion accused Knew what lie was talkiug about. ; THE HUSBAND'S STORY. . Alois 'Klenner, a butcher, residing in Grev-street. Waitara, husband of the deceased Mrs. Mary Ellen Klenner. said that at about 2 o'clock he Jeft hi.s shop for Tikorangi, He was at his house just ftefore that. At that time his wife and -Ins little four-year-old son were at home. Returning from Tikorangi, he was met by Fitzsiinmons. one of his eninlovee?. As a result of what Fitzsiinmons told him he hastened home, and w*nt into the front room with the Rev. ftroeklehnrst. Mrs. Spurdle was in the room. Tie couldn't say if there were others. He wasn't looking for people when lie got there. His wife told him she thought she was dying. She said. "Oh. Lou. I didn't deserve this. I've been a good woman, and now I've got to die. It's very hard to leave my poor little children and you." (The line of ftsamination proving painful to the witness. Mr. Weston said he would rely 'on the evidence of this kind already adduced.) • The Bench questioned the admissibility of this evidence. The authority quoted by Mr. Weston referred only to a statement made immediately after the act to t&e first person who came up. Mr. Johnstone quoted authorities '.o

£ < the effect that th63e statements, to lx> j' admitted as part of the res gestae. &v-tpust be contemporaneous with tbe act wmch they were intended to prove. i Mr Fitzherbert said tbat there 8, seemed no rilling as to whether more £ than one dvinff declaration made could S£ be accepted. If tbe deceased lady had pomade tbe same remarks to tbe nurses p-.'-in the hospital, and to the constable. would every one of the statements be y admissible?' But as it was a question to * be decided by the Judge trying the case £ he would let tbe evidence go. fcjt Mr Johnstone said that, of course, p there was a possibility of these depositations becoming evidence in the event Bp. Of a witness dying or leaving the conn-is-'try before the trial. If he objected at f this enquiry, and bis objection were fe tooted, he would then have the right to j*Tobject at the trial. HOW THE DEED WAS DOSE.

I I Witness continued his evidence con mmg his wife's statements to him at. >out 5 o'clock that day. Asked by the itness, "Who did it?'' she said. 3oodc- £ was sitting in the chair. ITe imf up and stood over me, and look it Ins revolver, and fired two shots at e- T n&nk baek in tbe chair. lie took re chair by the back and pulled it over Jeways on the ground, and said. 'Are m dead?' I didn't answer, for fear tat he would fire again." That was all ie conversation that passed on that >int- His wife was afterwards removed r the >cw Plymouth Hospital, where ie died-in his presence on the Idth «ember. The revolver produced preouslv in the trial was not- his. He had >ver had a revolver in his house. ITe .jd but one firearm in the bou=e--magazine rifle. Fitzsimmons. so far a? knew, had no revolver. Dr. :.tk>ode was bis medical adviser, as docft'or to the Foresters' Lodge. Tt was Home considerable time since he attend;ofl a case in the His family and. ithfi Goodes did not visit one another afriends- They were not on visitinc leims Except as a doctor, Goode did

it witness* house. Klenner, daughter of the last f nearly fourteen. years of age. \ recollected the day her mother, pt She used to help her .mother louse, a«d used to attend to the , tting-room. She «ad dusted the bout a week before, the trouble. ,s in there on Sunday, th/* day it.., The room was very seldom nd' 60. as a rule, the furniture ; much disturbed. She described y the arrangement of the furnithis room on the day before the "She scrubbed the front doorI'tfie Tuesday after the accident, of the steps she saw three ; SPOTS OF BLOOD. 4 those in' the house, and then the stains off. ftiblo Price, stationed at Waitara. that in consequence of infonnneeived he went to Dr. Gooilc's i about ten minutes to 4 o'clock Afternoon of December 14tli. lie « the surgery door, which was gbtly open. Dr. Goodc was in (..- Witness asked him what was |ter? Goode said, "What tlie in mvhouse?" and lie '?l'te just come in to see yon." fytM, "Get to li out of it." jjlfttin said, "I've come in to gFm not feeling well." With i»(Joc,tor made a slight turn to picked up a revolver from

his writing-table, pointed it at witness, I and said, "Get out of it, or I'll blow 1 your b brains out." The revolver j produced was the one. He could only see the upper part of accused'!- body, j on account of a, table, lie was then dressed in his shirt and trousers, His >liirt was saturated with blood. Wit* 1.-w- m>liied blood dripping from accused's chin, through his whiskers. The room was -not a large ouc. Witness •left after having been THREATENED WITH THE REVOLVER. The l.ciuh: Did you know at this time that Mrs. Klenuer had been shot? Witness: No. j llr. Weston: I'm coming to that. Witness said that from Dr. Goodc's he went tojvlenner's house, but he had then no idea that there had been a catastrophe there. He entered by the front door. He knocked first, aud noticed a peculiar smell as if a gun had been discharged. Noticed a blur haze. He received no reply to his knock, so he walked in to the sitting-room, where he saw Mrs. Klenner lying on the floor. He spoke to her. lie noticed a wound on her left cheek. Placed a cushion under Mrs. Kletmers left am, and then he went for assistance. He returned to the house at about ten or fifteen minutes past 4. Saw Mrs. Clare and Mrs?. Spurdlc there, the former having been left by him in charge when he went for assistance. When he returned Mrs. Clare handed him two empty cartridge case s ?, which he subsequently handed to Sergeant Haddrell. lie him self picked up another empty cartridge case from the floor near Mrs. KlcnnerV feet. After the removal of Mrs. Klen-

nor to the hospital he went back info the sitting-room, where he found a pair of glasses, pince-nez. on the floor almost immediately on the spot where the wounded woman had been lying. The glasses produced were those referred to. He had known Dr. Goode for three years. He knew that the. latter wove glasses regularly, and that one pair was similar to those produced. Constable Melvor avvived from New Plymouih about 0.30, and in the meantime witness kept a watch upon both Dr. Goodc's and Klenner's homes. TTe had reason to believe that the accused was in his hou=f the whole of that time. The first thin* that he and Constable Melvor did was to adjourn to Klenncr's backyard.

TiUSHTXO THE HOUSE. He selected nine men from among tbo crowd that had collected, and they arranged for forcing an entrance to the house. Constable Melvor, Mr. Brabant, and witness each took a door with three men, and at a given signal the surgery 1 door, the front door, and the hack door/, were burst in, and they entered. As V i witness was passing from the passage i into the surgery lie noticed Constable | I Mclvor and another man, whom he took |to be Stone, closing with the accused. J They were then falling back on to a sofa', and in that way the accused was arrested. He was then carried outside, where witness handcuffed him. During the arrest the accused was violent, and the handcuffing was accomplished with difficulty. There happened to be a dray standing in McLean-street, and in thi* they placed the accused and conveyed him to the police station. Goode recognised witness. The accused was so violent that witness had to sit on his leg* to keep him down. During the whole of the proceedings the accused was not assaulted by the police or anybody else. There was a wound upon his head, but that was not caused bv the police. A crowd followed them from Dr. Goode's house to the police station. At the station Dr. C'laridire dressed accused's injuries, and during the whole perform ance the latter was most violent. H* and McTvor searched accused there, and in the left trousers pocket found a knife, a bunch of kevs. four revolver cartridges intact (one of them being of a different pattern to. the rest), and a loose bullet, (Articles produced.\ Witness put the eye-glasses upon the table in his office. Dr. Goode caught sight of them, <*nd they were his. and asked for them, but did not get them. Just after this. Constable McTvor. who had been away for a while, returned, and brought with him the revolver (produced). Detective Boddatn took it and removed the charges from it. He extracted fiv cartridges. Later in the evening tin' ■accused was conveyed from Waitara |o the Xow Plymouth police station. Thev came in a cab, but witness rode outside. ] as his presence seemed to have the of- I feet of exciting the accused. At the ' Xrw Plymouth police station there were \ present SeTgeant Haddrell. Detective ' Boddam. Constable McTvor. Whitehouse, Constable Reardon, one of the newspaper reporters. Mr. Wilkes, and himself. After a few seconds he i placed the kevs. cartridges, and pinee- | flez on the office table, and handed the property over to Sergeant ITaddrell. : They wer? in a parcel, and when this | was opened. Dr. Goode said. "Give me •those glasses.'' The request was re fused. Both in his private capacity and i in his official capacitv he bad frequently beefn in Dr. Goode's surgery, and had ! seen the revolver (produced) there, in a glass-front bookcase. lie had soon it there twice, at least. Two years ago last Christmas Dr. Goode was attending Mr.?. Price, and then witness noticed a revolver in the doctor's hip pocket. He could not swear that that revolver and | the one produced were one and the same. On his" return with Dr. Goode io bis house for some medicine, and in general conversation, the doctor said. "Many a time T have shot them down in South America like ninepins with a revolver." Charles Stone, painter, of Waitara. stated that when he wa« returning from work on December 14th he saw a crowd outside Dr. Goode's house. Tic saw Constable Price, and then patrolled McLean-street while the constable as-

sisted in the removal of Mrs. TClenncr from the house. t'pon Constable Melvor's arrival, about 6.30, arrangements were made for th? arrest of Dr. Goode. He went with Constable Mclvor to the surgery door, a French easement. : He .nulled the doors open, anil the twe l of them went into the surgery. Constable Mclvor rushed the Accused, and seized the accused's loft arm with hi? right. and with his left nrm encircle'! his loins. Dr. Goodc's right hand wa c outstretched IN' A FIT\TXC POSITION", but a little higher than his shoulder. He had something dark in his hand, .and

as Constable Mclvor swung the doctor round to throw him. witness knocked hi* right arm up. Tie heard something fall. Constable Mclvor threw the accused on the couch. Witness seized him by the leg, other assistance came, and the accused was taken outsid". handcuffed, and removed to the police station. In consequence of instructions received he took charge of Dr. Goode's house. Some men came in to look for Constable Melvor's pistol. A man named Cossnr found a revolver, and by witness' instructions it was loft thMv till Constable McTvor came, when it was handed to him. The revolver was that produced, or one exactly like it. He saw foiy cartridges in Die chambers, and the trigger was down. «o that there m-isht have been another in the fifth chamber.

Till- AKRESTIXG CON'STABLE. Constable McTvor was the next witness. He deposed that hi consequent of information received he visited Wni<ari on 14th December. Tie and the last willies, Charlc* Stone, went to Dr. Gei de\ house with others, and jyoke ; n «hc surgery door. Accu-ed wa = ■iMndiivj about five or six feet from the dr-tr. wiib a revolver in his right hand. ! »i- was rai-rd above bis shoulder, ir.d hj«« w,\< bringim: it down into liriiig-•»r-<iiion. Witness ru-hed accused and i 'iiuifht him round ihe waist. Accused ! <-ihi. "What. i;i the name of God. does this mean?" 1 -aid. "Von are my prioner." and threw him on to the <ofa. Before doinir so he heard .-omct hiiiy fall j >n ti> the floor. TUe accused wa fi then, J ah"u out of tin? hoiw and handcuffed. During all this time he was very violent, •'u l h id to be carried where he was re-J quired to go. lie was conveyed to the!

t,oiic<> station. A few miaul"* afterwards witness went back to the surgery, and in consequewe of what he was fold by Charta Stone (who had been left in eharge) he took possesion of a revolver. He took it to the door and noted the number of -it. 2.1801. Tiefore examining further be lighted the lamp. Saw that the pistol was loaded iit four rhambeTri. At the police station lie handed it to Constable Price, and later on Detective Boddam extracted five cartridges from it. Di*. (ioode at the police station was very excited, but recognised tho?e lie knew. When lie saw Constable Price he was more than violent. Accused objected to Dr. Clarid.ce attending liiin. and forcible persuasion had to be. used. They brought Cloode

to New Plymouth in a cab, Mr. Wilkos, Mr. McLeod, and witness travelling inside with him. lie wa& quite rational jin the cab, ami asked to have the cab j stopped in front of his house to get a bottle t>f whisky. He conversed about dillereut doctors, and said that in all his experience lie had never lost a woman, lie complained oi having cold feet, and that his throat was sore. Mr. Wilkes called witness "Mac," and accused asked what- was the rest of his name, mentioning several "Macs." Witness said, "My name's Melvor, doctor?" and Coode replied. '"Oh, you're the that did me an injury in New Plymouth eighteen mouths ago.'' Accused grew very excited at this. This was the iirst time, so far as he could recollect, that ■witness' name was mentioned. As a matter of fact, about eighteen months ago witness had had some trouble with accused at the Red House Hole). Accused recognised several houses along the road, including the Red House Hotel. ACCUSED'S MENTAL CONDITION. Upon arrival at the police station in New Plymouth about 11 o'clock, the accused seemed a bit excited, but there was nothing else noticeable about his demeanour, except that whenever he saw Constable Price he grew more than violent, lie recognised a pair of eyeglasses. aud also recognised Sergeant Haddrell a* soon as he saw him. Mr. Wilkes and the witness had to persuade him a good deal before he would enter

the cell. He went to tile backyard, and -.aid he would go no further. So witness CARRIED UiM INTO THE CELL. About ( J o'clock next morning witness Look the prisoner his rations, lie came out of the cell and had a good wash. The towel he used became covered in blood. He then ate his ration of bread and drank two cups of tea. The Bench: AU this leads up to something? Mr. Weston: The condition of his mind, your Worship. The constable added that the accused conversed quite rationally, but seemed a bit depressed. At the examination of Mrs. Klenner at the hospital, witness was .present, accompanied by Constable Flanagan. IN THE HOSPITAL.

Dr. 11. 13. Leatham, medical supcrintundent at the New Plymouth Hospital, deposed that the late Mrs. Klenner was admitted to the institution a about 7.3U p.m. on December 14th. Iler husband was there when he arrived at the hospital, and remained there. He attended to her injuries, in conjunction with other medical men. She was dn a very critical state. Her left arm was paralysed. Upon examination lie saw two I wounds, one near the angle Ovf the left jaw and the other about two inches above the top of the breastbone at the j neck. After consultation with his col- | »leagues they decided to advise the pa- 1 tient and her husband that the patient should be anaesthetised, the wounds I'lcansed, a search made for bullets wlwch they believed to be there, and an effort made to remove these. She was put under choloroform by Dr. Blackley, and Dr. Walker assisted witness in exploring the wounds. Taking the uppermost wound first, the surrounding area of skin showed indications of having heen charred or burned. On deeper examination he found the edge of the jawbone was fractured. The wound had been plugged with gauze before the patient came to the hospital.' He proceeded to enlarge the opening in order to gain access to the deeper parts. He then removed the gauze plug, which had been successful in arresting the hemorrhage. On probing the wound he found it extended to a depth of about three to three and a-half inches, and he felt exposed bone deeply and what he thought was probably the bullet. The direction of this wound from the skin, was downward*. backwards, and inwards. On making deeper exploration with the finjer, with a view of. extracting the bullet he believed to be there, there was a recurrence of profus.? hemorrhage, which rendered dangerous any further attempts to abstract the bullet, owing to the likelihood of causing very profuse bleeding and increase the danger to the patient. Their opinion was that death was due to injury to the internal jugular vein' He plugged the wound, and the hemorrhage immediately stopped. Me then proceeded to examine the other wound, and ] found the skin area surrounding it was i "liarred and somewhat discolored, this I indicating that a firearm had been fired l close to the skin. This second wound was about the middle of the neck, and > the probe passed almost directly backwards, and it was quite evident that it had penetrated the windpipe and become lodged in the tissues beyond. The patient's condition was such as to make it inadvisable to proceed with any further operative measures. Respiration was not interfered with to any great •xtent. The- wound wa? cleansed, a gauze plug inserted, dressings applied, ■ind the patient put to bed. She died two days later at (3.40 p.m. The case was a bad one, and looked hopeless from the start. On the morning after her admission to the hospital, her dcoositions were taken. Tier mental condition was good, as it- had been right from the start. Accused was present it the hospital then, and did not lookvery well, but witness didn't investigate the cause. THE POST MORTEM.

Xext day lie made a post mortem examination. in conjunction with Dr. 'Walker. Dr. Blaeklcv and Dr. Wylie were also present. The upper wound passed obliquely downwards, backwards and inwards, and the lower jaw frnoturcd at its lower edge. Upon deep dissection they found the internal jugular vciu had been divided | for two-thirds of its circumference. (A : sketch drawing of the wound was put liu). The bullet had passed between .'I; ind the artery, bruised important nerves in its passage, and finally struck a bo-ne uul became firmly fixed between tbo transverse processes of the first and se"nnd vertibrae. The bullet was removal. and the wound measured, and found to be V/ t inches deep. ITe produced the bullet, which presented the. appearance of having come into contact with a hard substance. It would have been very difficult to to extract the bullet whilst the patient was alive, and tbat operation would have .seriously imperilled the patient'* life. It was this bullet wound which had caused the excessive hemorrhage. The wound in the neck was situated, by measurement, three inches above the breastbone. The windpi,pc was penetrated at the crici'oid cartilage, just below the voice-box, the bullet passing through and wounding the gullet, lyhiff behind. Behind the

Tullct was found a quantity of prurient fluid. It passed right through this structure, and. striking the bone, deflected to the left. U was found embedded in the tranverse processes of the fifth and sixth vertebrae. This bullet hart divided several nerves at their noint of <cxit from the spinal cord. The paralysis of the left arm 'was due to this. The lower wound did not cause hemorrhage, but the. injury caused by ;it wa> much more severe and dangerous | to life than that h the jaw; either would have proved, fatal. Tn witness* ! opinion tin's wound was caused by a j *hot fired horizontally, whilst the other seemed to have come from above, .though that. too. might, have Ween aimled horizontally, and the course of (he bullet deflected by impart with the jaw. Death was due to exhaustion consequent on shock and hemorrhage, interference with breathing and swallowing, and injury to important nerves, and to

septic, infection of the system canned by ' dirt oji the bullets, and leaking from the ['gullet and the windpipe, all of which | was caused by the. two wounds mentioned. The heart showed sip'u* »"»f former IsulTerhiff from pericarditis. There were jno marks on the surface of the hody jOther than those made bv the surgical procedure. To the Court: A strong cart rid™ would have sent, the bullet, in the lower into the w-rtibral canal. ami would have heeu immediately fatal. The condition of the heart and liver >howed she was not a healthy woman, but th>e hud Nothing to do with her death, except that bad she been more healthv her powers of re>istance would have be«'ii greater, and she have lived a little longer. The wounds were sullieient to have killed anybody.

ACrrsi-i) IN" iiosp'fTAii. Dr. Tipatham stated' that he wa> pnv sent when Dr. AVvlie operated on Dr. CooJe and removed a bullet from an abscess cavity underlying the lower jaw. Dr. D. R. Wylie concurred with ihu evidence given bv Dr. L'athairi concerning the treatment of Mrs. KTemier .it the hospital. On 20th December, nt the request of Dr. MeClchind, the gaol sur- 1

geon, lie saw Dr. Goode at the Now i'lyinuuth gaol. Dr. MoOlclaud was with him. I'[ion examination lie found that he had, firstly, two wouuds ou the scalp. The wounds were situated one behind the other, the larger one being in front. It measured about an inch and a-half in length, and involved all the structures of the. scalp down to the bone. The second of these two wounds was about an inch in length, and was of a superficial nature. Beth wounds were in a state of septic inflammation, and dKcluugiug matter, ov pus. Upon further examination a punctured wound wa* .found' situated just below, and slightly to the right side of the chin. This wound was surrounded by an area of inflammation, and discharging. It. had penetrated deeply into the tissues in an upward and inward direction and to the left. The jawbone was found

to be exposed over an area of about aw inch and a-half in extent. Owing to the condition of the wound further examination with the probe was not made. The patient looked as if he were ill, his .temperature was high, and his pulse quickened, irregular and intermittent. As lie evidently required operative and hospital treatment witness advised his removal to the New Plymouih ' Hospital. This was -curried out upon the following day. when his condition was much the >ame. On the following' day, the -2nd December, the wound in i the Heck was opened- slightly, under the influence of a local anaesthetic. This J operation was done in order (hat the; acute inllainniatiin present might he sulliciently treated, and was not an attempt at exploration of the wound. The appearance of the wound was such as to be :i>soeiatcd with the discharge of a lirearin at clone quarters. During the enduing -18 hours the patient's condition improved somewhat, aud then an in* llammatory swelling began to make its appearance at the angle of the jaw on 1 tile left side of the neck. This swelling increased in size, and on the 30th December an abscess was evidently forming, and an operation was performed. At the operation (Dr. Walker giv- ' ing the anaesthetic and Dr. Leatham assisting) an incision, was made into the

middle of the inflammatory swelling, and an abscess found lying deeply in the tissues of the neck beneath the lower jaw on iu left-hand side. On exploring the inside of the abscess wilh one's linger, a bard substance was felt lying embedded in the abscess wall. This was proved to be a bullet, which witness produced. Subsequently the patient made satisfactory progress, aud was discharged from the hospital on the 23rd January.

To the Crown Prosecutor, witness I accounted for the flattened state of the Indict by its having struck the lower jaw. The powder must have been defective. He had not noticed whether j any particular tooth was missing from Goodo's mouth. THE RKVOLVKR DESCRIHEI). '.Sidney Charles Tisdall, residing at Wellington, said he had had over 2D years' experience as a gunsmith, fourteen years of which was spent in a gunmaker's factory, lie served in South Africa, and was now in his sixth year of business in New Zealand. The pistol produced in these proceedings was known as an English bull-dog revolver, made by Weblev and Son. carrying .142 cartridges. Tile revolver had ben made at least fifteen years. Externally it appeared modern, but the rilling was such as was not used at the present day, its pattern, being an old one. In this revolver the grooves ran almost parallel, but in a modern revolver they would have a very much sharper twist. The revolver was of a good class, and its old-style side ejecting mechanism would not be used in a revolver of this class now. The cartridges used in this revoher were known a> the .442 calibre. ' the bullet weighting 22<l grains, powdei 13 grains. Charged with good ammunition. the initial velocity would be from 700 to 7">" feet per second. Its striking force at a distance of ten feet would be from 2UU to 2.">01b-, per square foot, assuming thai, the ammunition was good. The cartridge shell produced (found in : KlennerV house) would til that revolver. The live cartridges produced (extracted from the.revolver by Detective Hoddami were all of .442 calibre, and would iiL that revolver. They would lit no other revolver except of the same make. They ! could be used in another weapon, but at ! risk to the user. The three cartridges | t found in accused's pocket) were of .442 I calibre, and one of them appeared to j have been in the revolver, and missed j live. The minimum age of all the eartI ridges shown to him would be from ten to i lifteeu years. Another exhibit comprised two shells of exploded cartridges of the same calibre, (found on the (loor of Klenuer's sitting-room). In one of them the melal bad corroded badly, the anvil cup had become weakened, and the cap driven into it. and the anvil itself had gone away with the, charge. JL would be very difficult to purchase the carlridge? of this description in New /calami now. They were out-of-date. Some six weeks ago he had had an order for some of them, aud he hadu'l them in stock. Hut he got some from the Chrivtchurch branch, which had imported a few recently. The cartridge was so

OLD AXI) 01 T (H : '-!)ATK tliul ho would not pm them into stor!-:. „Tlm bullet extracted from .Mrs. Kleiiner's body corresponded with the cartridges and with the revolver. Tli'rifling marks on thorn corresponded with the rilling tit' (ho revolver. The flattened bullet extracted from Dr. Coode liore rilling marks identical with the revolver, ami the lwc-o of the bullet; was identical wJIJi the base of a bullet. There had been a loss of fully third (if the weight of the flattened bullet. The flattening had been caused by the 'bullet coming into contact with somo hard Mirfaec. The bullets were made of soft lead. Modern bullets were harder, hi his opinion all the discharged bullets produced, judging by tin; grooves upoji them, had been discharged from a J-J 2 revolver ,wilh the sanu: idling us that in the revolver produced. The rilling was quite exceptional. In consequence of the age of the cartridge* the ipiality had deteriorated.

| TIIK DKTI'OTfYK'S STOKY. [ Tudor Tloddam, police detective, slu- | tioned at New Plymouth, gave evidence 'of having proceeded lo the police -station at Waitara on December Ulli last, arriving there about 7.50 p.m. The accused was present in the police ollice when witness arrived, and was being attended to by Dr. Claridge. lie remained at the. police station with Constables Pricu and Melvor until fi.ao p.m., when accused was romoved in a eab to New Plymouth. Just before leaving the Waitara police -station. Constable Price handed witness a revolver, a BritUii bull-dog, numbered 211,501. The revolver produced was the one. a. ih'e-cha inbor"d one. lully loaded, lie extracted five cartridges intact, hi the presence of Constables Melvor and Price, and handed these with, the revolver to Constable Price.

A SIiiXII-'fCAXT FACT. The revolver had been very recently discharged. On urriv-.il at the Xesv I'lymmilh police station the accused was put in a cell, where lie. remained fur the night. Or. (lotnle. was aecompanied i i a cab bv Constables Price and Melvor. Mi'. Wilkes. Mr. Mel.eod. and the witness. On the following morning, in company with Constable Jfi-Tvor. he went to the cell where accused was. lie said to acciwd: -I am [Mectivc Tloddain. Tliis is Co .stable Melvor." Tolil accused that he was charged with attempting to murder Mary Ellen Klenner at. Waiiar.i during tlio afternoon of the day previous. The accused replied: ''fill, that'11, is i(? Will you please 1.-ll .Air. AYilkes. my solicitor, that I waul to see. him?" To the best of his belief llle accused was in his normal conditio! when he was charged. Witness was present with the photographer when he look llle views of |he locality of the murder, and was also with Mr. Sole win nbe made Hie plans. I'mm Klentier's garden path, midway between the | front door and the gate in Grey street, there was au uninterrupted view of two side windows in Dr. (.'node's house, which was also in Crey street, and next to Mr. Klenuer's. When Mr. Sole made his survey of Klenner's premises there were present Messrs. ('happcll. l-'itz,im-inoa... Idii Klenner. and Constable Trice. Immediately after the stirvcv had been completed by Afr. Sole. wilues- -t,,1 outside the front sitting-room window of Klenncr's house, and about two I'e.-t away from it. The window was dosed. Hie blind down, and the front door i-hiscil. lie could distinctly hear .Messrs. Sob- anil Chappell speaking inside and distinguished their voices. Positions were reversed and interchanged, and the same results obtained.

1 At. five o'clock tlic Coiirj iiiljounieil. TCI-DAY'S I'UiICI'.KDINIiS. Tlic eiii|iiirv will |.c res t his morning at eleven o'clock. Tlic Crown Proseculor lia> -even wiines.es | () and, whilst liny are described as "short" witnesses. Mr. Weslon does not think that the heal-in? can be conclude,! liefore the luncheon adjournment.