THE TARIFF DEBATE. MR. BEETHAMS AMENDMENT REJECTED UNKNOWN

Te Aroha News, Volume VI, Issue 274, 20 June 1888, Page 3

THE TARIFF DEBATE. MR. BEETHAMS AMENDMENT REJECTED UNKNOWN

\S ) i Ij n i in\, -J n in. lb i Tm clt bate on the motion dial the >SpeaL< l do leave tin < hail m oidei thai the Home nn<_;!u <_;o into ('onuuitt c on the Customand li\ci-c l>utio-3 IUII, \\a- le-uhjcd \e-tei da\ alteinoon h\ Mi O t allu'jhan, who j wan ml) .ippuneu of the pie-eni iu-ion o{ | paities m what \\> I'on-ideied was 1 the mtcie-t <>} {lie tultrnj a-, a whole lie denied that piotLLtion wa- calculated to daniu^e mil ill tanned, <in<\ --aid that, on j the c<>ntiui\, the) lathei ta\ouiLdit. ic<ogiu~mg that a local mai Let would be pio wded lot then pioduct- The\ al-o ap pio\ed ot the iaiMn;4 ot io\enue tlnough ! ( u-tom-- m piekience to import-, on land. Mi l)od-»,n, though a nee uadu in pun- ! eiple, wd 1 - eon\ meed thai, in Ihe parent ( omei^eney juofeetion *\:i^ the piopei tlunu ! tot the ( olony, and he would }>ut lu-5 I lineiple-^ in hi- poeLet and \i;to m la\oui ol tlie laiifi. Mi liallunec eonoiatulated tlie l.i>t ,-jiedvei upon the doteumuation nliiehl-.e luid ani\ed at, and commended him loi hit> Kin-able htand. Thu ait^an.- ot the colon) had dLiuanded piotection, ami tin--, he wa-sati-licd, uib tliconiy icmody loi the pic- j vainn^ depiction. It had ueen pointed I om that the eileeL of the lu«ihei dutie-. | would he to lc^cn impoit^, ,u><i eon-e-(|Uentl\ the 1 e\ei.vie tiom pLoteetetl ai tiele^, ' but those who ■riiid v o o\erlooked the fact ; that b\ the employment ot additional' laboui within the colon) the consuming pcuei ot (lie people wou id be inciea s ud, and I thu^ highei ruNunue be dt lived horn othei bTanche^ of trade The tin id was a eompionu-ac between .1 [)ioteetivo laiill and u ie\enue pioduem^ one. \\ lnle it tailed moie u-Aonue, it was adjusted a^ to as-i-t tlie local industries ol t.lie colony. 'Jo raise the school age would not be legitimate letrenchment at all, but simply the withdiawal ot privileges hithei to enjoyed by the laboiuing elates. The ten duty wa- the one featuic ot the Budget which was unpopulai. He would like to f-ee it either ledueed or done away with. The han Frcinoinco mail service co.st the colony voiy little money, while it was doin<; j service in keeping open hne.s of commerce. The leal motive of the opposition to it wao the debhe to s C c all the shipping bublllcs^ ccntiahfted hi one unit oi the colony. The necessity t'oi eoiibiilenng futuie .satcty forbade any heavy economics in the Kail way Department. Sonic comment had been made upon a icmark which he uttered home dayb ago, that the (Joveniment o/lcrcd only an in.stalmeut of protection. He did not think the piotcetion went very far, but thau bhould be a testimony to the moderation ot the tarill, and bhould thorofore lOCommonU it to the free traders. They, however, were evidently atraicl that it protection were once tried the country v/ould become enamoured of it. He defended the land and native policy of the labt (jovemment, and said that the free tvadci." ba&ed all their arguments upon worn-out impiacticable theories of economists, whereas the reabons advanced by the protectionists wore founded upon solid experience. It was said that pro tection, if once established, would never bo removed, but the duties would never rcqiure to be taken off. When once an industry was established, its protection against imports would practically become imperative. In conclusion, ho promised the Bill a strong anri sympathetic support in the committee stage. Mr Pratt announced his intention of opposing any duties that Leaded to increase

tho cost of food, but thought Unit the taxation upon clothing and other articles might ho tried. The Native Department could not be abolished altogether, and ho would wait loauc how it could be worked an an appendage ot tho Colonial Secretary's Olheo. boTore expressing any opinion on that point. Mr J. MoKou/ic donied that piolection would belief the agricultural community, or that tho to the Han Kranoiseo .service wix prom])ted by W ollinglon inteiest-. r rho great disadvantage ot tlio tsmll to the humor would be that it would inoien-o the cost ot production Llnoii^ji) tho Hi eater cost ot his implements and ot >,ho necessaries of lit'o. lie defended tin- property ta\ a^ against an income tax. Tho i objection* ot tiee tradeis. -eemed to have made some impression upon ihiv Premioi, lot seveial items which appealed in the t.irill iesolution.> were not to bo found in the coinpai alive table* or schedule ot the Bill, not.il/lv blown hollands, uj)on which 25 per cent, wa 1 - placed in the resolutions^ while they were not named in the Bill at nil. He admitted that mdiistnes which could liv established in (.lie colony with a httlc assistance might be aided, but the \ ob|eetion.\bio leatuie of the taiitl w. is that it eneouiaged mdu.stnes which wove not nal\u.il to the country ! Mi Mill-, .said he was not one ot the noble j hand ot luotiadei- who had renounced theii allegiance to the ( !o\ einment, but he felt in an awkward position on account ot the pulie\ which the Premier had announced. Still, ho would not sorer his connection with the (!o\ eminent' paity. if all the ex - ti a taxation w eie nece--ar) tor I lie uant< ot the people, they might well bleed \o> -liamc that the colony' liad been b» ought to such a pa— Ho logretled that the (Jomnmont had not \et lornied ;i uulway boaul, but thought they need not go be\ond the i olonv loi it- membeis, as they wue not hkeh to g» t nmie capable men than, sa) Ml Max well with M>. Mitchcl-on a-. Chief Comtnin sioiKi. He stiongly uiged a icduction of the expendituio on edue.ition. Mi Liwiy a\ owed himself ncithei tiee tiadu nor pioteetionist, hut -aid he would m\e the taull an unquahuedsuppoi I, not be-e,ui-e it was pioteetne, but because, while «_. i \ mi.; the J'jumiei ie\enue, he needed j! In tosti'i the industnes ot the colon). Tin \ ought one and all to -uppoit the lpamd.ictuie ot pioduoc m the colony, lie -(ion<_d) defended tiu o\i->tmg education.il s) stem, and ol)|ei ted loan) lampei in^ with it, as education wa-tht on!)' thin^ the i)LO,)le had to show foi ail then ta>ation lh denounced the pi oneily tax, ,u\<l warned the i'lenuvi that hennist abandon it, oi el-e mi i< d-e it to 3d in the C it it was to nuse the Mint.' amount J-. at pi (.->< nt. Jto w.uned the Hmi-L that it tho\ lutiodueed fee- in the »chools the national -y-tem ot education w onld sto|) Mi T.uwhanga wanted to a council e-iabli^hod tor Maoris thenwihes, and <ilso .id\ocatcd that iudi\e~ shouln be allowed to deal vuth their own l.uuU a- they plea-ul Ml (aiioll mgtd the adoption oi tree iiiidc in iiatne land, the placing ot the eontiol oi -uch lands in the hands of its owißi-. lie ob|ected to piotechon as beiiui: ealeulatod to nictea-o the < o-t of hwnu. w hen onl) beuelitinu a tew manuiactnuis Though oppoMiiu the (!o\ernniLiit on tin- point, In 1 would -uppoil tnem on iiiu«i o! the othei (iiu-tion-Mi Mauliant -poke in oppo-il ion lo the I till] Mi X It ilee\e- M\ppoitul the laiill piopo-aN. but would m)t !i«i\l liked them to <_>o fui thei in the direction ot pioteclion, aid thoi-yht t hat the pi opeity tax ought to nuuwaj to .i })iogic-si\e land and income Tax. Mr Kulton put a-ide for the moment the question of piotection \ei-us lice tiadc, which had been discu--ed (vi n«"-< am. and dt\oted him-elf to an explanation of his own po-ition bike many other membert, In had uall\ been letiuncd to suppoit a m e.tiein.m who was not elected, and t!n\ could not chaige the I'lenner with <m x unfair tieadncnt. On (he eonti.u^, the I'lcmioi had acted with (on-ist-eiu). hf)iie-t\ and -tiaighttoi waidne-s, and hi^ onl) tauil w.i^ that he hail latel) become too pliable to what he mistook to bo publu opinion, acoepiiny: the dictum of 1 1.1 tain louinaU published in latgciunieot j.opulaliou. Holding, a-, he did, that mean- of lotienehmont had not been ex-hau-ted. lie felt impelled to -uppoit Mi lleetli.iin - amendment, feeling suie that theuouuti) would endoi.-e that action. Sn .lohu Hall eiiticised tho amendment, and -aid that horn e\poi lenco he w a- able to -a> tli.it iuilher letrenchmcnt could not be efieeted without calling upon peopk for -afilhce- which the) would not be lm lined to make, and ought not to be a-keii to make. TliL-ioton, he could onl\ conclude th.it the ( u-toms taxation a-ked foi mu-t be planted. The pioptity t.ix wa- ahead) eqimalenl to an income tax ot Is 8d m the L', and could not he ica-ona!j|\ incica-ed, w hile he ob|ected to aland and income tax as piopo-od He was, howe\c], disippomlod that i lie I'icinioi had not piopo-ed to tax pioie.sMonal and othei income- dcu\ul Jiom somee- di-tinct horn propel ty : tin- would hitve been fail, and would ha\e Iw on •in, > ij)piooiablo leliel to the communif > in gem tal. lie could not. go so i.v as lo b(hc\c that piotection would iebe\e the depic— ion m - in) degiee. or ]>io\ule any con-idci able home mai ket . The teal cause ot (he depre-sum Li) in low pi ici - iecci\ed lot our -(aplcs, and the hca\) inteies.t chaig'.'d. Hfuing lOMewed the geneial imam ial pioposalo ot the (!o\cinment, Sii John e\pies-ed the opinion tliat then {lohcy would be endotbed by 1 lie toiiutr). Mr Uoss, though he had opposed the second leading ot the Hill, ui£od Mr ljcetham to withdraw his amcndmenl, as it would only delay the committal ot the tneasiue. Mr iiaiion spoke in op}iosition toti\c(U)veinment policy. The amendmciit ,« f as then put and lost | by 50 to '11. I The following is the division list : — Avj..s, 50. Atkinson MeCrcgor IJallanco iMitchclson Blake Moat JUixton O'Callagluni Dodson O'CouoiFeldwick I'aiata J^oigus I'eacock l^i.shei I'eireval iiah I'ykc Fitchett Recvcfa (Jnanguhua) Kit/hcibcit Ivccvcs (St. Albans) Fias-ci Kichardson (Kaiapoi) Hall Kicliardson(Matauia) Jlislop Uofes llobbft Samuel Jiu'chitsoii Seymour .Jackhon Steward Jones Stewart (DuncdinW.) Joyce Tanner Kelly Taylor Ken Thompson (iMarsden) J^ancc Thompson (AuckLarnach landNoith) Lawry Turn bull Levestaiu \\ r alkcr Loughrey Nohs, 27. Allen Mackenzie (Mt. Ida) Andcihon Mackenzie (Clutha) Ban-on McKenzie (Waihemo) Beetham Newman Bruco Ounond

Buchanan Rhodes (.'adman Smith (Jarroll Stuart- Mcntcath Cowan Taipua Duncan Tniwhanjju Fulton Whyle Grey Wilson Hodglunson Withy l/ard I'M US : — H)ll . VCAINs'l' : Maeurthui- Urown Urhninoml (Juinno-^ Mills Ward 'AJai chant Moss i liamlin Poarsjn

ST AT KM E N T ,'. ,' I J Y TUX Iii KAi I K U. The I'lemier said it wa*. neecssaiy m older to make the position ot the («o\ eminent clour with the country to go back to tho lonnation ot the (Jovprninoiit. This was due to tho extraordinary complication of pnitics. It anything were wanting to show thestate oi parties. i no speoehesinadc during tho debate by those gentlemen who weie acting horn piinciplc only — ho luioncd to the -o-callod iree (radeis~-had shown thab no two ot them agieed as to the inudo ' ot getting the colony out ol its difficulties. The lact was they had never thought this i matter out. The ciy ot the Opposition, including Imnsell, dining iho elections h:ilehuiehnient InM and nioir taxation aitei wauls Hume hou. membeis piofe.^scd to be able to do 'without any oxtia taxation. ' One ot the real motives which induced \ them to \oto^ against tho (lo\ eminent that night was that they lound ! the} had said that things could be 'kme which the> knew perfectly well could not he done. The speakei then traced the toinuition of the piesent Ministi} , and '•aid that the way they held their seats U.st ,-cs siou was that they had intoimed the IIou»o the} werj picpaiedto \acatc them at any moment it memhois- thought they could be displaced.* They weic loally on trial as to whether t licit policy wih sahstactoi y. 11 that weie how could it be said that he had climbed to olhccon thcshoulaeis ot the iree tiadeis and had been guilty oftieaehciy.' \\ hen he heaul thatiemaik the other night his bicast was idled with indignation, and had he uaeu at the moment he might piobablyha\e said things that he would not now .-ay. The mcmbei lor To Aio, who hud made the above lemaik, had ne\ei been .isuppoitei ol the (Jovcmment With ie sped to piotection and tiee hade, he (the spoakei ) had ne\ei disguised his view -. lie said (here had nevei been a pait) to .support the (so\ eminent. They nieiel} ie tauied ofhee till they toi undated then policy and had biought (low n a taiitl, ulncli ho \ entitled to -a\ had gi\on satisfaction to tho eountiy. (Opposition ehoeis.) The membei toi Mount Ida was another gentleman he had ne\ei leekoned on as a (!o\cinmtni Mippoi tei , anil iv could not Thcrcioii 1 , ho said, the (<o\ei ninent had let t him The I'icmici licie lat-ed a laugh at Mi hcobic J\la< ken/io's expense. b\ leading a letter he had wiitten to a tuend dm ing tho lecc^s. To Lho-e othei flee tiadci.s who had lett him he tendered hi-* thanks toi then support, remaiking that the} weic tieo to act a> the,\ j>le;v*-ed, but he expies-ed -uipiise that in •>() doing the}' had given as tlnn leaso-n ihe fjUL'-hon ol piotection and tiee tiade, in which no principle wa- m\ohed. It he had to pait with them he did k o with lCL'iet. but he had a duty to pi 1 lonn in e^i)ceh\e oi that. To the Op po-ition he wished to bin-. A nia|onty ot them hml made ica'-onable siieeche-, and -peeches of w Inch the ( ountiv might well be pleased, but some ot them h.id taunted tlie ( !o\einment, saying that the} had no lo\oioi Minister, and weie only going to u>c them. do wanted to tell tho Opposition and the count)} that thedo\einment weie not their toi the txneht of the Opposition. They had nothing to do with the pait.} m the hue -ense of the void. Tlioy weie going on with the v.oik whuh the eountiy had tuis-tcd them with, ir u-pecti\c of pai t} , and thertioie it was not a question ot tluowing lum->elt into the aims ot the Opposition or ot leawng his own pait}. Attei icplung at lenulh to the aiguments u-e I b} the opponents In the taull, Su 11. Atkm-on said that tiumbcw altogothci o\ei looked (he tact that heioi e .isLmg toi moieie\enue the Coxcmment had leihiced cxpendituie b} nearly a cmai toi of million The ica-on tm the imposition ot a pi image tint > was that he found the delicit would be £128,000 moie th.ii he had anticipated, and he had no othei means ol pa\ mg it than that, afheoidiuai} revenue would not beat it. It was possible that next yeai moie ie\ cnuo would be leijuired. lie hoj)ed not, l>ui all he could -.iy was that it it weie re(juued he must ha\e it. As to local go\ eminent he saw nothing \ ickhis in keeping the bodic- in existence which jiui loimed the impoi taut duty ot ni.iintain ing the loads m older To do that their must be subsidies It alleiations weie made in me ocean mail *)>loin it should be in the dneetiou ot aboli-hing all .-übsidus, but he dm not thi.ik the count 1} was npe toi that. Mmistci m< ended to make i eductions to ihe utmost possible extent. Man\ suggestions had been made as to the methodto be puisiied in laisjng ie\enue, nnd he might sa\ that he had had his e>es on mh !i items as beer and incomes. In piepaiing the taull he had purpo-el\ Kit out such ai tides a- could bcai taxation without; much dishu banco, in case the colony should ag dv need tuilhei lexonuc This was one ot the icasons why he had ex cepted sugai. The I :<n eminent liad had to consider fn.st levcnue, next t,hc intenvts ot the eonsuniei.-. and then local indubtues, and In; had heaul nothing in the debate th.it had shaken his boliet in the piinciplcs on which he had acted. Jlc tell- sure that the (arid would be found to be a useful one, which would help New Zealand torwaid in the lace in which he was ceitain that she would uininthc end. (C'heci^. ) The motion that the .Speaker do Ica\ c the chair was carried on the voices. Piogiesxvus immediately leported, and it wa^ ordered that the committal of the Hill be resumed next attomoon. The House lose at midnight.

Punee^ do McLiCiiiich i.- one o) (Inunlic^l women imaginable. She '-aid ot hcisoll when in I'iuit., "ljtm the host dios-sed monkey in tlio city/ and she leally luul the courage to lound tin: " Club ot Ujrly Women/ a club ot which thuic aic only live member. President Cle\olaii(l likes a gla&^ of beei : caies nothing for ht-ron^er drinks, but on account of increasing nloutnc^, he has to take nmit very .spai in^ly. Mrs Cleveland is strictly " temperance," not taking e\ on the lightest An old lady, seeing a, paragraph beaded "Boy Jnventovb," wii,d : "Boy invcniors ! Well, 1 hope .some oi"ein will invent a boy tli.-it won't always 1)C tearing his troiibcis, and that'll stay in the house at nights." The editor of a papei that lias adopted phonetic: spelling in a measure iceehed a postal card the other day from a .subscriber in the country, which contained the follow - j nf T t — " I hay tuU your paper goin on levin years, but if you can't- .spel enny better than you've ben doiu lately you may jest btoppit." A bicycle wheel, like a worm, will turn when trod upon.