THE FINANCIAL DEBATE

Te Aroha News, Volume VI, Issue 271, 9 June 1888, Page 4

THE FINANCIAL DEBATE-

This afternoon witnessed the opening of the battle royal of the session, and although a great deal of time was waited in preliminary rkirmiShinfr the iinancial debate was piactically entoied upon. Mr Onnoncl .s lo&olution* deal ing with inweave ol nuniiniiin school age, the tea duty, for local subsidies, and primage tax, to wipe of deficit intercepted Supply, but the Opposition had decided at a caucus during the day to endeavour to prevent this dUcu»uon. With this object in view Mr Lance appealed to the House to consider the taiifl question stiaighbtorwardly, and nob allow itself to be drawn into any side issue, and he moved an amendment on the motion to go intoCommittccot Supply afliranng the undesirability of anticipating the debate on the Customs Duties Bill by any amendment. The Premier endeavoured to secure the withdrawal ot the amendment, and in doing •so took occasion to make a Ministerial statement. He fcaid the Government wore not in favour of Mr Ormond's resolutions, and especially the second and third. Lafot

year they nmde a proposal for the raising of Lhc school age, but they found that in I older to effect a saving of t'25,000 it would be nccohbary to also abolish Education Boaidh. They did not- now believe that the raiMny of tho school ago would mivc the an\ount that was stated last year. They w ei e, howc\ cr, willing toacccptMrOrmond's | lht>tiesolution, if a proposal tor tho abolition j of [Education Boards wore attached to it ; but they would rtt-ist the other two, ami especially the third, pro\ iding that the delK-it should lie iunded as heretofore They could not accept tho thiid one on any terms- ns they consideiod it essential to beL'.in ..o once to do something towaulh 10dm.''.!^ the delieit. This htalument, which amounted to a deelaiation that the thud lOs-olutiun at all e\ent.t> wonld l>o taken as a Ministerial question, "was received with cheei.-.

THE OPPOSITION SUPI'OKT THE GOVERNMENT. 'iho candid explanation of the Govern" menl « t b mcl with equal eamlom on the pait of the Opposition. Mr .Seddon, who appeals to ha\e as-.umed the iunclion&ol leader of I lie Opposition in Lin: House, aunouiitccl thai a lar^o section ot his paily were pupated to .see the Go\ei ninent thiouuh with tnen tauil piopo^.ilt., and they theictojc liopeil that the dusct.vs'.ion would not lake place on aside issue. AbMuaneet ot siippoit iiom Opposition woe al-u <jneu by Ih. Intellect, .Mr lAtmal and othei-. and the motion to <_;o into Com nutteeol hup pi} «;b cauieii b\ A'A to 35, so that Mr La nee * amendments a« shelved. Till-. IL'UM.ILL I'AXACEA. I'iohabh tli>' oniv point mvde m a length 1 , debate on this question o: supply was the panacea subnuut.il b\ Mi Tiuubull lot oiu linaiu l.il tin,il)es He -aid that the uej>n.s«.i'>n was due lopiivatoiu debtedne-s lather than the colonial debt Apait iiom the buidens ol local book's, i ( ,il pioptii\ ua-s m<)tl!_a'4id la-l _\cai to liie extent ot 33 uiidion-, -reihnu, .md upon tlit— alone rittie-'i would hi pi\ahl< to the extent ot l2,100,(J0U In eidei t<> itlkM 1 the dt pi i---ion (lie < Jovoi nun u» uuolit. to h\\ (a\es to the extent ol oih - h tit pet < cut linoii all iiki!l'4.i'.t- I his would lai-e Ll7oC")0 a \eai 'The la 1 * would tail uj.o'j pel -out- \v !io w«.ie now diawni'4 p «>.'(- iiom thoeoionv,. «uid would piovt the it a! -olutiuti ot the iiuaneial dtlli- ( u 11 1 3 . M'OM.W A LUNG TlHl ()RMO\l> I UKhOU TIOXS. Peltiimiud oppo-iliou was thui m, ate to i t1"t 1 " Oi mond le-oiuiious l>t in<_r hiuu<;ht loi | warn loi ui-i v— -ion K\(epiion w.i-tikin b\ M> -si ,-M'ddon, i'lsh, Kiel-, \L>- oiid otneis to an\ -ide l--m )n Dili "it i udiiM.d lo,)ii\eiU an inuu diate and tut iii-m-inn i>{ the taitil {itoptv-al-, and Mi ht >!ilon .!■< I'ltul l hat as i mattt I ol tail the(>t) \uiiiiiuit wanteil an lacu-c to lai-e the seliool „^e and abolish lOdiiLLition Uuaid-becau-e tiie\ had not the coinage to do -u on then own account 'Hie -piakti.s on ilii \ .o\ t, i nini_nt -ule siibmi ted, on iih (Mil hind, that X was d< -i 1i 1 al itt Vloie. lliu di:?uissii)i) vi the onlm la\atio,i piopo-als to (o'l-uhl wlicthci iuiUki iLuiittioiis in e\peadiuue could not lie made. 'I'd 1 I'.e'vuei a--uud the House ie |>-utdl\ that ie-'ilution- could and would I)- di-pd-id oi in the llou-e. <md this jm)m.sc -uilited to bie.iU dawn ihe ob-tiue t'(-]< oi d' the Oppo -it ion s cl> e Ml Seddon. ib' -uecei-did in keeping the " talUee, 1 tall ft. ''_;ninuwell llliu I'll IMllill'.'. Ml; <.D)!l..h (.KI/) TAKI.S A HAM). C\i_ntiiaU_\ Nil (Jeoi'^f (!io\ cm m, and. lninihul ot t ae. tact that the question bttoie the lh)U»e i;a\e him an oppoi ' unity of tii\<_i^m_, an\ p.u t ot I lit, ( imei nm< nf [lolic;, , hi- t leateii tiie eiowded jiallt i ics to oiu '>l in- eloipu nt and i-li.uaetei l-t it di- ( mil -j- He took as his -,vii ji. i It he Chun -o (|tie-Uo i, and deln ci i d a -\ cci h which the !iU!iii_d a--.iv r u ot the Uill tln oujj.li the ilini-c puoi to la- ain\al nievciititi linn 'H in making a loi'ni'jhi .iLi ». Ocoi^t i,)iilin mil tne (»n<. i nniLiit loi lia\ iuj^ hit 111 1 led (htmi^ii an iiU'lle'-fiNc niia-ine v« hn h n,'s now ne.nti up m auoihei » i amhi i lii tin Lne I th it not halt a d<>, en nit nbt i - I Kid < onlidt la (_ in liie L^ein !•'- ! man who had s[i|,j U d awa) -o ([tuetl\ to tipi<- id ii- .<- d(K'j.i(c <d the (on'i'etHt !le thought the .u tion o( i !'. i inn- 1 m end' .i\ o.<i iu'4 to 111 t< hio wi . I'ii'ain and loiun'j; .1 lieal\ i 0,1 Mi i 1i 1 iiijiuc was l.uw.uiant. '!e. md t !n. 4 lit t '<> pi <>[>(! ( oiu < to a-( i t lain th 1'( • '.1 I' 4 ol tlk colon \ h i>! Ik 11 i 1 ( 111 imi , tmo pi os . in I- oi tie • hi ii» -i' Viu. 1 .1. oi 'In t\ in the 1511 l Si. (.eoije il>o -au that 11 th \ lai-td tlie -1 1001 am it woald i"tiic!aw on' 4 upon uitm • '_,» nciaiion- thai \,niii i<d>.e 1 entiii it ro '1 p iii 'I h( li-olutlon- wei Uliilei rh-cu- ion whl 1 1 j 1 1 ' _11 - was p 1 1 1 1 ( I o1t! 1 c n 1 1 1 10 n 01 ihe Ci'lo.u t 1 Th 'imm 1 ,wiio'iKn mo\(d In, 1 ti.i iloi -c uo ,ii)in diatt 1> nidi omIllltil' Ot Mlppl\. Ml >. ddoli sui.^lit \(, ,i,l(| the wotih " .iitei ill!- second leading ot the Cn-tonis i',u iii iidl (Ie w a- , how c\ u , not i u<<t -tid, Nll flan\, Ai kin-on si\ intr ih.it thi < !o\( . nun nt would not j^o u-i wit h . tit, -1 rtjiid leading ot tin Tauit lld I till the ie MlllltlOlls Y. CIC d'-pOMM Hi. Mil OILMO\I),S rWEHCII. The 1 e-olu! 1011s wen' eventually mo\ed !».• J^lt Oiinond.who -aid lie had pledged liiin-"l! to icsi-t in.iGasod ta\;diou t ill all po-^-iljlc k LtcriclinitJiil li.id been dieted t uui the count 1 \ h.id 1 Us \olee 111 that dii'cnoii lit tk" lined lo accept the piopos.d fo. aboht ion o( tin. Edue.it ion IJoaid-., and cl dined that the laisin^ ol the school a^c would eHcct a saving ot L' 25,000 Hide pendent ol the -.unit; 011 mIioo! building ■>. The -econd pioposal would -<i\e a .sum ot 164,000, whii h the <i'ow 1 nmcnfc piopo^ed to de\oteto local bodies' -übsidie-. Jmpoi ter.s dcclaied that the pmna^o ia\ would be exceedingly troublesome, and would al>o be a dan^uou.s engine ot taxation, and consequently ho mo\ed t)fund the dohcit a& heietoloie. THE IMIEMIEK OX 'HIE RESOLUTIONS. The I'icniier said Government had intended to postpo ,0 the question ol school ajj;c till next year, w hen thcie would possibly be tew or questions of pressing importance. Mi Ormona'-. lesolution in lefoiencc fo subsidies meant that all real propel ty must suppott the roads and chaiitablc expenses of the (,ountrv, a and fan flnisonof tlie-e budciir> could be obtained through ( 'iibtoms. Sorfar us jiaymcnt of the deficit was concerned, Oo\ eminent thought the sooner they turned o\ei a new leat the better. He hoped a.s colonial finances im moved that the colony would gradually make provision for paying off moieot its indebtedness. The House, was quite open to consider whether any better arrangement- could be made than the Goa eminent proposal, but in some way or other the necessary money must be raided. THE OPPOSITION HE PLY. The speech in leply in behalf of the Opposition was made by Mr Ballance, who considered Mr Ormond's resolutions ljadly conceived, ill digested, and not calculated to achieve the objects, and said the facf of the imposition oi primage duty to pay oil tho deficit had boon cabled to England wheic it had created favourable imp! e^oion and on taith of this scheme the loan was practically bein£

floated. Therefore tho ellcct would bo very i bad if proposal was now rojoctod. Local subsidies could not be abandoned c\en if. Che second resolution was agreed to, and ho also opposed to increase tho school age and [ the abolition Boaids of .Education, butwould support the duty on tea. Protectionists wcie, ho said, anxious to relieve the people of bunions, lather than keep them on their shoukloi s i >allanco's speech created a good impression and it was thought the debate would end thcio, and that tho question would be put. (irimmond and Maichant, however, kept tho ball rolling, and Scddon delivered himsclt ot final oiatorical effort. He indicated that his and other yoldhold member would l)t>ht against piotcctive proposals of tarifl.

Tllti DIVISION. Tlic dhiMon was taken shortly before midnight on the motion Lo go into (JotnnuL tor ot Supply. The motion was a^iecd lo by 53 to 22 ' no (bat ]\lr Oimond'.s 1 evolutions wcic thu-» lost by a l.u^o nuiioiity. The diwsion list was us follow- . A>es, ,")3 ; Atkinson, P.alluuce, Wake, l'>u\ ton, Cadman, Duncan, Feldwick, L : 'ei<jLis, I'ishpi, ]?\-h y Fitehott, Jut/licibel, Ktasoi, ( loldiOjdralKiin,!!! t\\ ,( !i innnond, (Juiiuwjsh, Uamliii, liislop, llutclunson, Join's, Joyce, Kelly, Ken, Lauco, Lovcstiim, Lou^htey, lMevi'ir^iii , J Mi'lven/,10 (Waibeuio), j\htebelsnn, Aloat, Moi.k, Mo^, 0 Call.i^luu), O'Cunoi, I'e.iiMiii, Peicivul, Kee\es (lium.injraliiM), Uolm- (St. Alban-), E. Riehaid.son (kdicipoi), (i. I' 1 . I!icliai<lsoi) (iMataura), Mo s, Samuel, Seymour, SniilJi, Stow.ud (Waimale). Stcuait (Dunedin \\ e-t), 'l'aiwhmo.i, T.iUoi, T. 'rimmpsun (Aueklaiul Noitli), Tintibull, Walker. Noes, 22: Allen, Baiion, lieetliam LJruoe, LUiehanan. Can. ill, 'owiin, Dod-on, Fulton, ILall, llob!)s, .laekson, MeAithui, Maich.inL, Mills, Oinioiul, Jlhodes, Seddon, Tanner, Tln>ni| si, ii (Marsden), \\ hj to, AVilson. On (be moiion of tbe I'iemier, the second H'adui'4 ot ibe Oustoiits Duties I > i 1 1 was mail) .in on', i of the day for the attei noon, v. ben Uiu Imam .al debate %\ill stait in io.il cai ues(