PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Southland Times, Issue 621, 21 January 1867, Page 2

PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

. j .J^gTTJRj&A.Y, 17m.. /ANTT4KY, 186j7. Tbe Speaker took the chair at 2;il|> p.m. '- l| -^W mJA«t!A !l 6r i p¥evibtiß- l -Mtiiiiy VerT , Il? , JJkjr j§wALE\pr.es.e;nte4 ..a, petition! from jgejctedn- j^L^S^JO^tJ^.Jaoag-'Bxi s=jh district, prayin^^e Provincial CouricjJ,,fcQ exercise Jts "powers to close an old rights of- way running through the , property of ?* * ! -' 1 1 -..- ni^lm^fPt^\%h^Yf>f ${ grahT ing the prater., of the petitioners, pointed out ; ihati, as the main roajd hadbeen formed; 'the* public interest would-be^ in no way WttjjjMk&! , v; T v | ' *>- * ■^pinjiyj'lt Swpe g/tve^nbticle. that would' movft^e.ta^p.la.Qn of the pe.£hi. tion. ; v-i i.it .i.< j in-j.i) i Mr Ntces'e presented a petition: from* cert^M el^cfWs bf =the' Jacob's RiveV' district prayirig.for^a.pepeal of the Fdubation, Ordinan.c^.t^.lfee; motion by Mr Nurse" "that the .petition be received" being put, -.TAU :i'-)»r«r >-">:T>& Hodgkiwsow .asked" if?4&at tvould i iti''anv j: w^y :i; eoTtiinifr the 'Oouncil 1 io the K ay^6f^e :^titi^erVr'...^; [ " j ] the motion, seconded by Capt. ;; B!o I well}v -was'tcarried on?the'iVoiee&-3f' r :'k'' 1 ' j J | : : •" : Mr SwAh/R,'pursuaiit tb'"n'otice; ' mb/pg'4 j — "That a respectful address be '6r!e'sent- i have T all.,.the .correspondence,, and | documeflts!prelatiye*vto the 'sale^of sefe|;ron'7,',! "Mqdk'^lS; Jin the^towhship' ; of;' Dacre,"j whereon the Police -fesrracksare'eiected, to be laj4 fi^f^'-'^f^ Council." - 1 «.^ r Hp^A«SQ?f fO Bftiji a .iJt, mjgh^, simplify 1 ! i matterSjiif % permisdioii of ,the. : Hoiiae he ! were tQ?give an>;eXplaHation of- the I affair 1 the 'detaiis'-bf which' 'h'6 ! was- in' 'd posifrion to f know. ! |iaqp"' I Slr Mac- i Jtipi gjshtifif '■^he^^^-]ijYaj-f>6ugj6." l^po'ke v to j the Commissioner of PoiiceionttTbe>Ru^j'ect? .©tV'leaMng^ the= -Polfee -Station' iat paorej s The^lkttey t t;eplied" l it I 'swSs poi«ibie' ; the" ! G-'pverifmSnt : ,ii¥i*lit v ' icfaSe' l it" >> '- f Mri Mac-' 1 kintosh said, " there was no •hj ! urrv i .". li tHQwe\ter;)heiimmeiiin;tely^(went int^ t tP v xn» .A^4.iftPPi^ % A se i c^iD%on ( . i whi(jh the 'atatiQii'^atoo'd.'v oAJtbxiugh^ satne k nd* of'reserve 'hkd- been -m#de Tso^me-iyea's ago 'by 'the; th^n"Su > nbHnfen > dent', Ifwis "^qo^ slitfwn f on Tih'el'idap I in w fh'e'lWas'te Lands" Office, and in aceord^q.c^w^tt.tji^ fipplica.tion,.the t^ecbiont was-, advertised nr'the! msual wtty'and ! 'in>due I tim i e ! pa!td=for!by Mr It He"'('MT"Pearfeon ! )' ttiaught" this, was a A(:eryjli rty I wak gla^; they tWQiiLd baable to.deifeat.,Mr.Mi.f..The.,new4Und acfc'require'd-'t'ha't' theu ; advertisement" •'of'-the l safe shbuld' n be 1 '■si&tted"l>y-''- ! -th# ! '^up^iniendent— whereas ' he , . (Mr Pear's!)n) l as" v ,io£ C^QW.ft I j iands. ) had:iiiad.y«r!tently> signed v;. On tbid -they •were 1 ? dete^minted-'to-'witbold--tbe Crown Grant, leaving Mackiiltiosh to nis remedy, jn^tjie Supreme, C^urfc where however ' he'^Mx P.) thoughtit 1 was likely I ci < c' i w6itld 'get but slight compensation. •r?Mp Cuthbebtson characterised the "ul Ul3C\xtttts UK DXlr^TJrclUXlxutJS 11 ZISS ' ULSJirctCv?ful. .?90<:^ < ?Vl 1 ! :;JV — Dr— Mja^affis— waa-4iofe-^aite— s; itisfied )wilih i^eiffspiKfl^pnjgWrelitby) Mr I 'earson and would— suggest as an amendment toMr^S^^#s'rm6tiDbt^attne|ffian^s|iowiug 'teieVVe^^Slsb-laiaVtfllhf^abM --fti'-J 3 1 'respondence was then read.iur.r,.oij|. ; " " li#Mc??BLACKLOCK, pursuant to notice, moved^pnThat^i^icis.td^siEaWei tliat the perind fixer! hy^hpj Southland j Wasted .JjaiadJiiA b*^) 1865, f-lfar raffloj«iag.»L- censed occupiers of Crown Lands to come under* $ ce L B Q^%MyW ssfefp fiss"i acd L for a 1 " 1 those runKoiders who liave not come un ler tiaeL operation of the^'saHd'^ict to do so, and a reobffifie'n^att off' b& made to the General -Gox6rnment=.dn the subject" 5 - -™ Mr Nubse seconded. - \ir* H Mr floLmss would not stfooseV t 66m'hig T binder now, have to pay rent .from.j the time that the other runholders comr.»...Mr.f.Qua i HBBBTiSQN «di.d.i? trtotij *s^ ;e,oan^ c reason why, a special indulgence should be-g;r.an|ed, M justice r^jquired appeared to mm^thatit would be aninjusr* tice td I We ? m'Snyi ! r4fibiholders who at greate incqnvemencerand ,in some., instances at LJRTO^Ef, los ( s I , ; had I ,,s.ubrn^fied f- as the r|e^er< 7 o£;Jtwii ! eralßn7T>ta K cfflaier.uncLe Ic,,.t^i1 c,,.t^i^ < »^pexation! of?tliei'i|e\v^a#i-tlf^i4t eyufesd ftß^wtfythatHiontf 1 year-dfiierwaiftUf meh it: ttT motion as Mr Blac!fi:lb'c'K'J t 'wouia-'b(i iattb^

oppose the^tnQ^^t/unlej^^^me reasons neTOpefTbiU the Ss^^^r^pra^^ot. Since then the partnership ba4_^en determined, — the one who was originally -willia^to-come-^inder arcHbecoin--^ ing sole owner. In this instance he would, still be debarred from conforming this poirft' jSoraeTjfive or six members carried on pfiviifre conversations in tones member For Inyprqargjll., ; - nl jWajßji, lin a' temporary lull, -our reporter agaip dis- ! tiiiiguished' Wd v6fc r e of -the hbhl paember ftmnerar leases; and pointing .out ..the iiies if airtlitfy; l off «»&,'* recom.m'endaiion| that , T>rio(V7sion should biff mMdet6 facilitate their ' ;|cq^^^3o^e^%i:]:\;j;;;^ | u^,u '1 ... jDr HdD&KiNSON moved for an adjournment,:ia'Si tnfeTribsTfs.HCbuld not then tell' whether . the-motion was one concerning 1 pliblic'intefe^t Ar^nly tKe" Merits of "oife 6r t fwolinaj^idu^ls;' 1 ' 1^;;^, ; I, %r- 1 .pppose^tlie/^ i n en d,!men4 and spoke, of the veviL effects reswlt«ing from the uncertainty pertaining to-■nrucb!;of^^'pi-byincial l^gislatibnl'-'On hublJc %LL* r !l^?A_il l^_™sti 0 . 11 ' an d i amendment wonld be.rejeoted./; * | ' ■'' "Mr ; 'A-feMSTRONG ' thought lit cbujld be ■shown' the J pfoviTie£ '-'would^ detivel some beYiefi't. 1 "li; ' Would' receive 'th^^oni^anced 1 .^ntalj J^ftva ia^e., irttn.s^i.j.lC's-pifi^ed to '"him that Mri.iCuthbertspn-.uw3s acting. ilnde'r the smart of 'the'^ncbnvenieiiice lie hM^neMce^.;^ x \ ■■ *"' {[)} " i\Tr C ? L S ERKE ;l wbuld'- oppose the_jr ofi'dn"; ; THTwas" AiirtfaTf TS tßHsig^wTib" Bad "cor iplied with theSActt^v'^ffat Act was supposed to be^ binding,, and those" who" did "tibt cnobkfe 1 tß'cohdfpiyivitn'itS 'provisions must I|^l\e.. | ..9OTiispqp.encfis v ,. t . None cf.^tUe, uudor the Act>;iwhen ,4hey ididyif ntbey< (had r\ mown 'that.long aft,erwardsjsucli"a ;: recocimenJ da£iori \<rould J be iniadfe^'iandHais"^ jonseq ve 1 he'e" 'there" ' Would have '\been. 1 "' no land 3oldaJ f aTI,^ !s , " aill ;„, g0i ,,;.., a: .,,., Y . _„n ; JMr .PEA3Rsb.Br.i pointed. :oututhat) an in-icreased?-ir.erital i vw6u)ld^be i :' obtained, and that as regarded the land'beiriy: tteL-lare'll " lntb'liuifdreds^ it' was, a 'question' tvd ether „th,eVQ.ov^por,,^pwl.d: as|en,i:fe^9r( land ..being .placed.- 4n;.tthje;. market; Vo.iFi )rT^p"ij ■>(Mx- Pi-'s)' own 'part," I he'd'id' nob think he j (the Governor) " would'. '' 'Besid^es, ttie'i ' gr^er parf 'of 't^ese'runs x^ou^d n it, he thbughtt 1 , be jpujchas.e4 I ..eYenfJiifjjoie glared into hundreda... v! tWJia,tever..»±he private" feeling of the hon^ member 'for Longvf6bii ' MX CUTHBEBTSO^ -^ proteS •, Mr" ( of my .preferaiag; the indulgence ofj privet 3 feel(ingito 1 the. public interest 1 ." 1 " ? ! ""vM ' ' 'Mi- 'Peirstfn^VithiireW '-thfe ■ -expi-ession, arid closed 'his remarks he yshQ,uJd, i s l uppor^.!the.jnotiQn» .;.!„,: * ■•.. .)•« o „;..Mn Johnston 7=- What. is... the- mrea o£ the' Tuns sought tobe-'placed^iind^r the 'ne#!A.et?' ■>"^- L The Pro.yj.nci9! Tr^a^ure'r jrefetrre* 3 tp,. t , Mr Peabson, who stated-there were. 'ne^ei^ve^^OOO'and'^Ocftf^or lß'sto6\ iacrfiSiii*esp i eetive,lyis;i;i»Heiiwas not sore, j however. Was-it arable land ? He dared saya'good'piari/ of 1 it-wa'4, but it was sp 'tligti atid^hd [l r6 ; a i d^ f w4re ?; s 1 b t bad, that; 'it rWas^not y be f tak c en ; u^byjSettlers. Mr LxrMSDßN"'Spoke'in support of the motidn; 1 "r-v.....^-; 3.. „= ...,,.. ..-11 '"'I'MI.^Q^/'t^ug^ event of the recommendation being, made, those^ gentlemen iwlib were 'forced' 'through j -iiew*Act io'make^ lafge^pUfbfe'a^S'of land on their runs, had as gqdda"righ!t to give up their purchases and get'i.ftixe/und of the-money- as those who at first r 3fused ! tb l 66Afdrlln to'ihe'hew 5 Adt'Aiad to be now allowed todo SbT'TKey had no right, io play pWi^jj i' legislajioo^u'g. j^e, ctirl n,ojb,^)jnk there "was any^ injusf iqe I ja,t i ;,al|i > in\,mak|ig them take, the consequence, of- their own actlO'lt would- be"a> fmtidred -times ! mpr^' unjust ltKUnb'selwh'o?h'all conSp'li^a ViiM &c law. [Several 'niVm^eV^^ere conversed in lou<l /yoiceiPf ithe hon.. meraher.:for-iCaiai>beli-tow-nj3"H!e thought- the 1 Gonricil' khouldi know lioW ' Irtrtg -the 1 leases had to run. ■TnWy wereHoltl'^the "Prbvuice jwould get the increased rent of the runs, but >=they- ; might" say that inpney only passed through 1 the treasuPy* weaid not keep it. U;)o , jwi M r pEAKSgN — The runs have respectively years. t IJt i n u., M r^^%^f w||p^ted the motion 4.., and o ad j o u^iilP^^^sSs^^i- 1 »J o?heiPr6vih^iallTreas«rerimw no Hp|- c ship to anybody in object of the recdm-~ a in^np^ti9n, )r It y se i e^4£tQ,him like the ■parable"bf_the laborer who was hired at worked longer; got" a penny^-buf pc only '■ cgpt ! AvhaL^heicontracted ifon. ji< >T%> je^w^oj came under originally had nothing" to" complain of. The satoS" dbj^etitMs miglife haye t been, ,made the .imDrjOVement ordmanice "was abandoned — those who . Jia.4, . Gp.mpJ4ed. I% w4th 7 its,! foflditions might have complained of injustice. The Go-' vewMpafeills .hadlnCjt'iTbrbu^ht forward the* motion on private grounds, butsiriplyto mUg m wWole'of the^ii)vimi'e SShtier ' uniform regulations. :p-n '^^alf?u^|heja J ,4i^ided, ; p.i^^he ior an"a3iburament. Ayes, 9, jYpesr ~s. The division gave rise to a, sharp idiscus- 7 sion on 1 a question" or pnvilege^^spme of Vhe-ttfenibers^whb^n 4 I c"- > aebm^ i h|ad said they would oppose the motiouianx} kmend Tr - ment having voted for the latteij. The -.Bp&a'felp^rijllejd. thiaC'lipii'/ mfen^berj mig# l cli'a|ige'^h^r^^in|p^at^i:^^^ an^iYOjt^ Vcoiitrary to the views i;leyi|^i[ previously expressed. » A 'ITASife^^EIGADE OEDINANCE. j'M^ffiie House then went into con imittee on thei'^lireißrigad^ Ordinance, [lß6syi<two or threes-objecting to it as unnei:es ? ,. sSary'-aad- arbitrary 'in its^pro'visiohs.. ■ , ■ ...^ r!.,..^., e..^ t -tf..>..T i .t^w r^.u vTj — s • " ?§•.« &»H .Vtßf Nil'-W<&sHg-iOi ? -T«T'ir?d . *>■ -^siwess i cb^mfen^e t a^t^Q > p!m2^s s-h „^pshask,, .^pshask, HQVf.#U r ,px4«ax,.M«npies } Bl tick

pfiwnhffiijp and Cjitpgr,tson^ / N || Mi pjltrbs |f|ij'ed to jay^bni th||tttt>le aj ffl iioi^6aa^^tf. TJiegSuben«vt :— jS||t. some \sontracfc^wo'rk was done some 3%are' ago for the Government by Messrs Sullivan and Gailacher, that TSFrVVesfon, as w th v eiF vageliitVvwas":aut.liorised to receive tfsom the ; government a balance of ££& -thle' to them The goits indebtedness, but i d§f^rjr^^-, i {^yinjent. . -.-Fhat at present Messrs Sullivan and (jallacher are injd^ted^to Mnffiffitpn for.a larger} amount, 'and ' that Mr' vVeston had accordingly H f(Jr u tne l M$ but H found that, without, au^Eo.^Vj frpra , him* t^ money na<V feeen palsQ 0 . aMr Alexander Sayers. Hpflder^ese: circumstances'; MrA^Vestori p^aye/l, t|^t^He .Pjrqyjincial .Council would take the matter into consideration, and l giTanfe;.|»i. him .'such relief as the y mighi consider he is entitled-tb; 'p £ ! " iKt A-ffce'r^6 ! ni'e discussion, the ; petition was allowed to lie/xn the table. op Motion. r?fj! to Jiotice, moved '^"Th^ necte^witn'Vhelea'singofaporfcibno'f section i^b^ocktoTßveryr^il/ancl its subset quent sale, ibe' laid, upon the table." j)r' Menzies explained the circumstance which 1 iM rom these explanations, frf ni the cbrrespondeuce read, iaHd,ithe,a"emarics..<o£,,:hoji.; .member which followed, it appeared that two or three years -ago^the' government thought proper ; t6/ erect a"house' 'of' a'ccomodiJtion in i.tpjwn ifbri the Maories. i A site/ was secured ;{,u : nfl£i} a. ; 4e ( Bjs.e.8 j s.e.- for .2 L years) on a section of gr pund . in, Esj^-Sjtreet, ,o,wned by the chie.f b'f"tnb"\Ruapuki r Mao'nesV and upon ithisj section. the, a governmenb a house. That recently this 1 Maori chief had sold the section and that without anv'reference' 'to 1 - the" lease s or " the h(»use prected; 'and 11 purchaser now refuses to acknowledge f the lease and claims tue house. "Git investigation it turns out that the lease had not DeenVegistered, but through^ whß/e' fault'- the present goveruni'eut were uiiabieTo say. <, Dr^l»Ei!fZ}iES,f pursuant to notice, moved oT-wV-tTbat •■..»= the?. Education Committee's report helakfn -into consideration." The Provincial- Treasurer asked leave till f Monday' c venin g— granted. . IMjLW HMkbxll IpuiViiaM Hto notice, moved — "That^it is the opinion of this Council the establishment of Courts of v Arbitration base^l on the principles of Counts-, of rArbitfation mentioned in the repoiit=.of< the s Select iCommittee^ on the establishment, ofc- Courts of Arbitration brought up during the last session of the (General -is 1 ' Highly' desirable. And that t,h.e.- representatives of this province in the ISTew Zealand Parliament be requested' tb ) use"theiif earnest endeavors :suring,ii the-;! ensuing.. ,.. session: :;*,of the Assembly in furtherance of this object." 'Mr r Pea/soH thouglit ffiati bne'bf the most legitimate funcjtions of Provincial Councils was to express the wishes of the popula'tioh'thfdii'g'l4 their 1 idcaT representatives, as a gui}lasce ( i'or;the action, pt the representatives of the province in the higher le^Matufe- 'of "the 1 cbTdfiyY ' The adiministration of justice as cheaply and equitably aavpossibledsione-of gravev importance to the colonial, as .w.ell. as provincial.jpopulation. There^was, therefore, no excuse necessary formating up t the time of the House -with' "such'a^subjeci: ' In explana->tiont/of-!his>iriotion he (Mr P.) would read an. extract from the report of the Select 6ommiiteV "referrld to in,, the motion. i(BKtract; rrea.d, describing the functions and mode of working of courts of mutual ■ag?e'£men£-irf' Norway.) The hon. member said here is.a p£jrf£Cfi\y §i.niple and effective way of obtaining justice cheaply and speedily. We hea'r' of the 1 glorious uncertainly^^^hefßfitis^hrtaw, which I think ought to bel_sAigmatised as the greatest islop :i\yhich couldt be cast^onr a i nation. telihei honi- memb^r-icited n s.o.me examples. Most of the- hoii. members had seen an hottest;-' though"'- perhaps uneducated and ncr ( v i ous / ma;tT,"bu i lljecl i by a legal ferret "iiritil he is made to sjwear the; opposite of <V^a| h e yrafits: an/d knovsfs tp be trpe. Such a badp-ering system wa;T"las^disgraceful an-^intellectUal ! exhibition' as a bull baite or.-iCOck-Tjfioht-! is r :ja physical; ; one. He ,jtbQug ( ht, <: manv .wpyjljd agree .with, hjl.ni o ,tha I t |he i.jpstablishinen.t of such an Arbftratinn Court would be an advantage of no little moment." 11 "-^r^H'oDGKi^'soN seconded/"' ' li 'Mr^G'ti'rMtiiß'Umtit sbpported the" motion •!aEnd?«pdk'e i of the'bumbrous and -expensive degaiiftiiachiHery'-einv.us^m the- colonies, and recommended thafca-Qlausebednserted that a - ,n^py p «>f :^je^J^tjp.n..ftbQu]l,djbfe transjmitteitp"t^ft^o^^e Coloniai Secretary. rosHACK froui having resided ■in Norway or near it he could speak from admirable way in which tibre~'*. .Courts of mutual aeree■meiit worked tl|ere, and ;he was of opinion^it-bat such cburts^wbuld vybrk well here, but not so well asiTS^Wway, where tfe people were mbbh simpler in their .liabijLitharrihe^Apglo. Saxon race. .Mx. H ,.\y,P9D ;a? th J OHg.ht:!that the motion jiTij^i^ b|6 v „ beifore . .the General 'A^sSnibry'liy "the loca. members.. Some discussion ensued. ItTWals fiually st agfe'6d"fhW t'Re^clause^hbuiii^be added. IQf -Ih'ijj Gbuii'cil 1 those on theiarfbjeet^fromfotber Councils would bring the" -question before the Generai^'overnment' sb^ttiat it ! might be l^ioiigh l^ : o"vVr b^ibreVexi session of General JVDt^HoiiiESi'-p'ur^ukrit to notice, moved r^l i?^l^^iS oU^^^^F?£ aware that theprovince of Ota^o'is willing to unite againiiwiek- I tfh!t4--pr<}vince, and feeling satisfied that— such an alliance would be .emjiietnily^calculateil'to prpinote the power "and^prosp^r|tx,ftf blth prdymc^resolves, ' that in the t eyent of ttie^c6^^of Otago 'a'grieiig^lolne^ L^6llowinff blilufof unfon, commissioners' "isEall'W appointed to conn thdse«to be ; 'app\)irite^- by Otago, i|Sad ! Jtd» afettiei the liletaUs'^ofuthe union, via.:— -Ist, That, the unitwU-frovin««g

shall adopt and oecome responsible for all the delifc's'ana in'trbmissions of lartd. 2nd, That the land 'laws in i /forge : noi hi altef^d.ih'^ny Irekpect . until all th_a_engagement3 entered; into. . Ijr under it „sh;\ll. ha,ve !: Veep cpuc^luded or ; .. ...lapsed - : through e^usi,ou.'of,:tim<| I Srdj= Tiiat ; :Ot^gO; shall i agree toi'make! and maintain' the main Bastiroad :i frdth ! Tnver- .'■ 1J cargilltd 'the ; fidiig'-Fbrd,^ud: r tli^ 'main UNlorth-roaa from Invercarg^l.tp ..Kingston and also the main line of road.'tb the' Wamu via Itiyerton. 4th, Thai| the Speaker^tie 1 inb'trhUed to forward the ••■'■''^foi^pWg^resciMbiiSW-the'atrpferiDteiiii ;;; > ;;%t(;bf [Ofjte&'W, m^gpMetmi^^ h^, n ,h> mg^Hhe, iaboy,^!re.aolutions,jl,w,ili jmove that this Council ndw'ip'roeeefrjtoi elect, three commissioners to carry out j their' : i.-ibbjeot.^ 1i -IVEivH^ltoes^aid^lh'lrisiiig tpf 'the" reso'lulion : st' ; eorifess to ," : ''hoiii^ dima'encC'kndwing'tli^.aivfersity of *opjn r on thaJ ! p.b|ain^o^^h,e,subje.c,|; T jSome i-fn^Vft wedd.^j3 to :theiprcj¥in(aali system I some' . ,;-iinave^prejudioes)agjainßt Otago,' an<3- others r "- i niayfrortf ••(•atr^es>fbr€?ig'n il td ! t;he' WMlbeing of the pou l ii¥ry"al^o l wfsii > th'aii' the" present j ! * "system ' I be i c6atinned r .'' :i Th^re is.one, point I »■ isfi 'tb M clear up before addressing I 'l^sejlf t^he^'s^e^ 1 ; Ig^iee i-saiiji- ,. " i V : 't'Kat I "'h'ave f a partiality 'forj^l'ag^,' p ?yqnd, .....j.in.y., partiality;,, fox .SquthlaniJL 'at ' ;■•.-•; priced "tQ;is?ebuii' that' idea,- as I can prove ! - : ; itcorrfegtablV that 'from' my- arrival ''iivi "^ iNew "Zealand, mv'syhipathje^, hay^ been^ ' with' SWlhlan^iripr^t.^an witli'atp^oraer' .\ ; part «Lthe. colony. ; .Ihave always possessed •; .-. .. anopeiproperly in Southland than anywhere' ■ ; ■; else.;- : On =a -recent occasion, whbtt f!< clffered ' ■ my" chpiVeof 'a variety of pro'pfeßibs,- to.. " prove "my ap^reewtipn ; 6f|'^'oiVtliland I made my selection here. Both no W, and, i so far as t_ "caij see, hencefprth, I expect . ', ; to" "HolaV ,'as' • m'iipn'. p!r ( pp6rfY here, ? ; o.r ' more," , \ .'..'.tlian. anywhere, else, in, New, Zealand, I 'and 1 it will be >the last place I shall clear but/ i of; --If I- desire the welfaxeoF any part, : ' of -^Nefw. 'Zealand I beli eve Southland • "[ "claims' 'tHe- '.'first ,'.', place ,Tn,' ; my regard. t . H 3?h^e,iis : no, other part, J. would ,bej ! more ■ r. .inclinedMtosnppnrt tbrciugh thick and thin '-■■■'•thari'this'protiwee.'- 1 (Hear,- hear.) j T am ' ', ', , mM^9&^«S n^ |WP^l9, n .> usual sCj[?,ur,se5 Cj[?,ur,se when; :I.cau ; see .that any particular" i S v objeetisidesirabler topursue thatdirectj// ' '.(Hear^'bear.') ;i ' ; Many' persons have their panacea for the evils of "Sbathlancl. 1 a? They' °imagi tie ' that' sejjafaftdn" 'Way be a ,„ pbf^ine'd'-T^-tha't ' is',' a ' ; Ve^aT^.tioti from the V ]Sj>rtlL andiA-.centr.aj, gp.y^rn.Da.enti ibr the --.Wlioleb of,. JST^w- Zealand; :.;.|But these 1 quesitions obtained ■ very considerable attlention ;; &V the last session 1 of the : (j<iJner"aT'"4 ssem"j" = BI^j; apd, c if;,Vas; .'tlien; : found '.ijlisit'. tjhe in- " fiuenee of ''members i for ."ijb'e^ortli [island — was saeh-that- nothing-could -be-done'm ' '- th at' dif ectionl "If we' therpfoVe^hjope" to~ ' r V ; 5o anything, to^bange^pur'-'posifiojn, and , to .alter,, it ipr,. the better, _a-s 0 1, ;: cpheeive, .'ifc'.inust be- in .the dir-ectipn...indieajted>byr, -■ ! this motion: iv I !l cari -see 1 noiotiier ivay jn,. 1 jWh'lch' -a ; '.radical"' chatige ■ eifi 'be^ejffected tiipt'woula tipflapletely j^elieyje us from.^LjQ,. , !.pfe3Bur§\..oi.^j9ur/" : owftneta"i|y.0 wftneta"i|y.. = p^'ixL and ;give viusr- capital., and .... (political. -* jpower^ ■ '. but utiion f ; with ' ©tagPL •In ?fT|aming ; . -tliis "•m'otiPn.'V''l" look; ''u'ppn° v th^ cVi? ' ; i3i|ions" , as set ''.forth V as' ,' absolute. . fVl That,^k;^dt;Lvvbat!evifr^ may be introdnced these must b^^aHppt'ed^ "efsetlrere^cairbeprjo-agreement. — The.^rst, ; .,!pKPY] 1 4!i s^.9. f 'iK?rpM^!iiiV^fif^kt|»4 debts „oC SflUthlaQd. .....llf ;>tbe ijundertarmg Ute s !* -carried' out, aUthe^debtot* Southland 'now exceeding shall'be'pa^'a-nd th(v "] '""interest 1 t Tm 'it." ','Tjh'? second pr.oyjde^ for.'tbe.. . : jmaiijta i i l .»ancf? of .present lapd.la w- -Ij.; .7is='Said v I beiieve that thelaud.lawiisi a "gefou *■ ••'one'- — giving facilitiesfor? capitalists, af.\ all, ■kift'(4s : ' ( i -"l > 6r 'S)§t;tlTtig I 'Jn iV tb^"^(ynitiry and , thereorfe^l; pVpvid/e # for jip jehktfgei...ta|ie. plaee,JilJ (: ithe,! '..eAgagem,eb^s; under • -be'^ fulfilled' OE3 ..lapse by "'' fefiiaxion of time. The" third I'dare say jis as 'important, as any of thfe'offifr^ for it , tniaK.es, p.rqvisjpn 'fa iniilie^fately:,' jnaking ...the different main. Jin* 5,,-, of roads iin the ■ ancl ; maintainiiig 'them- for "tFe" - ! fiiture." ,'Ther^. ate ! .a' great"'Wittny ..qjthsi;, '''cpllaidrar . aicl van tages ".wHqH ."will occur \ , ; froni .our uniting, ourselves, wjifch : a.provirice •■" 1 whibh has funds. for. .carrying -out jail the enterprises we rpquire.- '"We- h'aye had 1 considerable discussion ab;6tit| th'e'Kailway,,;.;^uestipii.... r ;^ere 'we.tol unite' with; jQlago_ „ ; there be.no necessity for up ; handing over s . qxit, .. , jrail^-ay „ for , , .npjhirig fa . \uj\y ( parties who „,pleased-to,, pleased- to, taie : us^ have cost £350,000, for 21 years, on cdndiiti g^ tjha : t' ffiej - wonld. .wprk,,,it a^td,., use.^it ; iis the^ please. „; In jjhe event of our joining Otago thesej railways j •would undoubtedly §e,,hfild b# the prowincei^^and 1 ;it:\TQuld;, l iepnly : t ; he. : jbeginn.ing',of a series of ti<. es 1 /eventudlj: eiten 'ing to,iiC2irisf:chujx)h. j There is- ,, ; anqtlien. , subject;. in.timateij;cQn t r}qcte.d; kith this attenJiQn,,_an.d.j ! tn ( at -jft,,tHe road to the take, whiciris now scar^qelj^ta! p^3sfibll'4---i^tetej a^ar,e,^t"^t, would have been " avast saisipg fo;, p,qfh * Southland and Ota^p had Q . i s t^se ? i|oarls rT ;li)|;d iJ tierei nq^.bjeen^ar compe'ti^ioii,' .^bet^iUM 'twp JfftWSS t f9r ;j fth^.;ta?ade. of .^Ke } iiaie. '" It lias "ebst'Ot i ago i^in,imin,eflse su^i jp'fj .mQugyttp^ ma^e.a t i;o^d r bjjt^e]bunftenand v orore& y .of m.9fley,,ti9.Tnake 7 that wjjpden^il^TyJ anil.anj;' ':,4t^wAffW?&^^l^f^VWR s t.?,^JK- j "103%^ . ', , ; 0f 3 fn'at J 'ype^^ijag, virtually^ .cloggdtOi^raßScVfiai Kt^is^prp^Hce, be.en gufilcieptljj riqh./pr; lio lepara^ > ,1?o^;^qp £ ,pjace, we .wpuld Tjb;er;ejia.ve; had the .^yffeole.ipf. t^eJLake trade, and^there ,w(|iild "ira.T^- .„ been ,no inpn^ yiSpenton that l^riejb^J^Unstanand i.;,Pr^^eU,; c .j,l^itlV Iregar.l1 regar.l ; tp;Ae2^3S,t r y(|a<i'^^ „, ;^a,t, jt,i,s, jasjmuch; for the.iptereßt ; o^..Qtagoaß thati t j ptS.pu^lan'd tkat ; ljhat roadjshpu^ be/ i mlide'.fopth--3 ... „Qtag9."p p^sesses'; an, immense, dmount of ( i gfto^tsrai l , 8 ;^ Im4-\Pth~^j!H,-,M^.M. fete. "^^iitauraji.^ln^eed Jttie;. T^hple .'pf '^^ \l*s§;.frsm) J; ; fn'e.aea irJand, for 70 or 80 .jDjUep.^hetaSe^b,,!^) f"^pljfteusj; |s pArtially, unpcouppie4 ifijom .tb^Tax-i,. 9 ilPC^^P^g.. n .9«^9^?, s iJ^.J t ii. t^? JJ ,Pftl : J l ral outiet" being Southland, and "Otago npi ( .j^k,e^j to spend . _ jaoaey on, apother province.. This fine estate is: . ..in the marie^, xmd can j|nd nOjpurchasdr? jbjeq^upfl - -ti.3re are rio^roa'ds. It would=theref(|repe a^gfeaT ... -tpoatO/Otagp fbat tb^s.particulaT joad should dP made, or tKat this annexation suould tafca.-plaqe^ from this -very-consideration. It would jbiing into>. 3^thßt"mar^tJL i an l imm r (insß' !: q«atitifyrof jland,^anidenable thatip'Tsqyince.to settleyatl finmdnse.ptopu-r-----lation. So^tiifr interests of the two prbviiicee arte idefiticalii'llt would alßogire >= acceßs io| these, fine, ferms'.wedifear so mucKl^f-bttt'-do npbaee any prodncefrom, owing to the .*watit J of roads.; There < J .^^s."anothrar. k consideratkha : -of-'-'hnportailce vehioh must weigli-wi+h every hon. member) who will ■-i'-J tak*e ;c th'is?'mattet"_ i iiito!:his'«efi&as conlsideration. Within eighteea-months the day of jjayuleHt'wiH? •;■ icomejfor. aibWis^.arg'e^detfl^Wia^is sjtill owing. and with mferestacbruing.'i? If latid^S not siakkfeH '- - the'meim&he, and if the interest account is not __j!ffld_rho Ootinml flimv Dujen<.wai-mifc|be tU»r^o «■**■£ -.!*)& iIP-i. 9-..' l'- m 13. li—z tfg*^«Fc-qt»^ I

1 realise uppn the Jands of ,thJ9 province at. aj price . that it- will ''se'l kit!*' There is express provision " " made." Th? G-eneral Government has the power . to retTuee We price' at 'its'' discretion, and if it'.Hs ' ,>foan)ft that the jltJnd is -iiot I sfllirijj --readily ,^at £1 V /pgr Jvqre;-:it-will .npt. scnuprie i to, ■iredui 1^ it to 10s. * Is-it.,tlesirttble..that;..3uoh shoiildib^i? Is it for the of, .the. country that bfcoausß^fcbere. is mot a 1 demand for the land that therefore it sljoijld be , ■ J tlvown,ia,wAy.?j^liJipUl ithatjithisiiis-* iqoncilusive argument in favor of annexation. In the -event I fit the two provinces uniting O'iri,indg}).t?dness I would be added -to that of Ota^o, and a loan j") .flpated sun^cjt'Elti jtp t cftypr, the whglei ?/; It jnrould > .fehen be the interest of Otagp as pfjtbjs province to maintain the^-price of land, or to ■■ keep it at It is conceded on all points that we cannot for , a poi?tidnic# ItliV dandYfilriflsf whether we can pay any interest at all, the revenue being barely suffi- ')• c'ie^^toimf^.pni-T^nt^xlKjijsfe^. /Iji.tjhe jevßnt of ' uniting with Otago .there Would be no neijea^ity j /f^ijjairt* Jeartof auchua. result^tja^aiUae; the ordinary revenue of Ota^o Is' amply sufficient for meeting ' n °i?^,^jom^^H also for Vying any attditionarinterest or charge that might be madp op account of/thjajpwmnce.i We kno y that in that piw.ince.|tliey>.<?xpepi'to ! derlv- a revenue, of £6.0.U00' 'to WtfCOQ /a-year from the pistornr tenants. l]ie ordijiarv. revenue irom the gold'ttWlttfosU t>e- TOtftitHiAjj fitiouf'- £30.00 D, the three-eighths~of— Customs revenue £60,000 or < •*7O,'oooi'a-ye l arj'.'and' the* •frWriy' fchW |durces of Revenue ; tha;t fare'^.-ossessed,' places Ofosp on^iT ' TUirt^gorgrouhd'fbeyond'ifany rother-'provinoe _jo£ New Zealand. At present I am' not); absolutely ['eartaimtfftne aetsual"bVila»ee, but-Etliidk £S|^oo; was at the'oredibfoft the jjoveryiment ajconnt.' Now I think it would be highly desirable po ally 'ouTselvesr with a pYoYmce aftleaftd wtlliag |o help, us. Letrusnow come to our actual- position.'., T^iie* number ~<jf officials 'employed db. t^e fe^prt'- • ments necessary to carry on government under! fthe^presentMsyst'fiH ; ia'/vastly f nibreC. than the ri-” venue warrants ; and the salaries being ! small, do not .'hoM;; wut! [inducements to men of ..abiljtyt.Q.^.ujidei'take .exec.utivg^.d_u|ies. y \ There* is scarcely a shilling spent oh roads, brfclgVs' or other necessary 1 works. Is this a desirable state of things that all" the Revenue "should go in 1 salaries ?! i ■' Utiis' 'fatal - toy the ' pr< sp&ijiy [of the '■boWntrya'nd'it never I'can'tsrei^riess^s1 'can' tsrei^riess^s loftg jaathis dase/ Another 'view 'hW -pressed itselFoW' 'my at't&nHdn— thill? is Ithe'wan?1 the'wan? of power 4*01: good or want of political- in-fliienfee^ -We 'shoula' see° 'tnß' manner ' in' ' which 1 the" ireprepentati-msjof our Sup^rinfandenfe nfe'treatediat headquarters.; There is really no power held in this'provnice: ■'ScSr'ceTy'" a che^tie'fpr^cati be dra"wn without the! Greneral 1 (Government -eoncurrehceXt Under th^se circumstances •when'linere is no power to dp good :or"bßnefit~'therTrroyince"""l"ca-iTnofrsee -how it-'cah-' 'be ofem.bre ! Ho^cbnfin'u"e- ;j iii ! feiiclU li -BU|e 1 J I am not one of thqse who t desire change for {change sake" of wish" to- upieli tne existing 'stft te' bf things but my firm conviction is that the provinde iff^bot' 'small' to ' : bear "a I spparaU"goV > e I rnm leinr1 e i nr I (Heaap, hear.), The .population is not sufficient ito support" 'ifi' ' i '(Sedr^h&dr:)' " : ' l\)d" ' tn'6° 'oMJr 1 jremedy immediately available for us is^ the Qne, / .npw'ttro ;; ' posed — that of annexation. I tnerefore movb tfh'^ 1 motion standing in my name. ■"-■ CT ." Mr Pearson sr onded, pro forma, r Mr Woo^ said he was reluctant to be ■ ihe^first f toafldfess'the^Souse. 71 "He 'had not heaL'd'fronV the hpn. membCT p^oposino' ,the resolution anyfffiattlea4fiftf W-suppds'e'/that the tjirms Jn^. the motion were conceded, or were likeljy to oe' ! c6Wd6ded by Otago in the event of our entertain--ing- the- question— favorably; — Many-of— the Otago members .wduld Be 1 feidy enough to have SouChf land annexedy-not-with any view to help South]and.in((Hea(r,) heari)..- ; ;Ip-'la6ft of the .Qeneira.l Aisgeflibfy^onj,^ pne..pj 1 t;wjo Otag o- mem-- . hers" showed, any [disposition to help Soutlland. ''•■ Mr HrasrrafSilfii-facea'-Mr Vogel-ancFMJ- Dillon Bell;~bdth-'Clta 7 go-inemDers'(?) y who r 'had assisted ■ largelyii". . /v h«k j ; m,. )..„, c-.. 0 , ,:..., 7/ Mr Wood — Some members mighji bejfi.vdr&'ble' r toj a^n9^ation injOrder . to^iycij^e' tl^e ! power of Ofago."' (HearJ hear:) 'He thought the nie?mb'er3 of](pou.TicilishouM havej something ie them in considering tjhis.. matter, as to how fa* Otugo was willing/but he'Tvas not inclined to bo instru.mental in ascerfaining lo.what extent the feeling .existed. , Southland- would , soon -become, if anjne±e3, I ''an''outTvTtfg' ( ,''dfsl?rfct 1 ' of "Otago, and he 'treated" ''accior^higlyl- -"(Hear, "hl'a'r.V'- o.tmaru would, gladly nbw J e's'cape c; fi'6m' ! Otago. He did .1119$ ffifh'k' the propb"Bal would' be "favorab; y enter"tained'by"the ::f 'Q-eh'e I ral Gbver s nm'enfc£" f:> He would noiys^v . t that vote for . annexation, but if* he aid,' it would be wien our ! cirenmstances were desperate. / .MTr JpH^H^}Tt]|Q^Kr^|~in a very short time ttfe House would be lea lied on to -.giTe !;! its";opftiibhT on? Cfeiftfalisation, Separation, and Annexation. He denied tnat tnis motion would tend' to pjromote the ..welfart „fiftr,J?(Ot]i; , ,!pro,yinfie J s He thought it would merely gorge an c "agg¥andisingTp.rb^iiice,. i aTid by absorbing the smaller provinces tend to anarebfy and? confusion. It ? wa.s' 3 a" J fetr6grad4 step, and^would " prevent^ fjhp bruising! out of men to'£h'e advantage of theiiojony, and ipnly». raise two.., on,, three; .provinces to a, state of greater jealousy. Then as toOtkg'b "making'- our^T6 r ad !< to' iC Q»Jeenstown he doubted, as thej, Jjad always shown^ an inclination io spend "their own' money.; around the towns, to the detriment. ■^f~their-x>at%ln^ Mv.viA&^mTs&mz said this wa,tf-""ihe r second tima that an ojffer_of . Ann exatiojn lhad beentnaade^ an4.r^ai^ee ; nipa3s f^(|i% i once in sileuqe. It was wrong to irbpute motives,, an 4( feherefor^he sjbpuld not do soT^J^^.n^ in h?s? mption . had depicted our, .finance !S~in~cr strong light.' ,^ There swas"a5 was"a sffbrlg party in r 't3t;agb 'o'pposed"'tb / -provincialism, and* 'm^yife^e' W^ 'o^t^e pinion, but while tlifev'.'-wfeaij: provinces were ..petuai;ed..itc.would<r hasten othe eataMishJ mentof'?Separati6ni'-n 3?h^!'bait^was very 'iJem'pttn^ly-inM'e',' put if^num'iicjt be £&, cepteq;. He^h^q f more '^krs^o^ ;he ppo-:; Jinqe, .' pil.Cifago [$ak±; Ipf »f fjbSe(. Gr.ene*ai-.Grovernment^p'.e-t'" t.!?...-..^^.! ..« 7 i-.« •'1"?1-""- --- Mr lifiMSßEur th e 'spirit teantfe"Ste'd bfihv hbnri&e^b'eirT^as sugli^ that he would be very happ^'lo see him Siit /f be^'<mld'' j(ike'Eiffi^^f^^^e^sjip^^'^is' tla£ ad 1 antages Iftyb^nd^iny^. «««P§» Pl^F^fe he^plati 1 wsuggested.»b.y-._the ohpn^.mejnber« ; n^ypre^ vious sittih'g\oto vt sell. j oiir ■■ila.nd'. I s 6 is to fe[>dui3e i ..o?ai»iidei)t;!to>'i£2o.o^o()©,nan 1 gets ife »eonsdlidd,ted'"in ; ' thef' colonial! ;?d( bt, and i rah'se-in"^e'ye i fttti^eSHo thi -me l "o f extingu'.shrag it by annex^tjpinr/ (Jar circUm^, stances were not so "desparate, a»4"J^ from toe Qen&i--t&aiAG-dvßftffinMP tnat^liMis^ftcjj ' -whibh^ ivrasu^plaoaius %? ¥.fan'tetter )»'B*fcf'onv ijQur^rt^SKW^f tied, aoaa.toi pr jveKt:^^ .froai^aling- '«sitk"Ou-P'-.own.-ja^i: r)b;.lsxi+i r anntealion 'h^'thotfgh . ibef<?Ve? ■■mhrt¥ W WSh'buT^h^Ye-ctfntr ilisati-on? iWhen^^h^^opulano^ri^^a^q^ If the ,M>& vM&vnpef, Mid Stappdi ihe r e( ndififsriß^ jtuey.^ftered aß.driboWL'fetaey-iweie to be He^did;. not thiK^rweiOugkt to give up our source^ jQl.iweal^. for ?t feheopjajapeoti of getting" rihr^jrraa^ 3nce we ewo^ltk g%S; tthle iG'enferal- ; Ghoien ment (i w deal md^?ai# tlen do it

« now that ouit-lan&lwas not selling so* fast, "- Jmt let. it. sell . as -fast . as-it did a 6hort is time since anrl we should npt beinjsuch I .3-,^^Roii4ing ,'ippod. > j n f)tan:o had always 3. delighted (inshoAviaa:. owr- flAhncial weak T c ness, but 'had' never 'shown ;T a'friendlyi feei- *• ing'towa'rds; us. ■ ■ Talce;tKeip ll treatment^ 'in e. , refer^it^ "to ;tK^ ' .'.which wja^at t '^^^.^ia^jj^'^ftijeouldriot believe s that Oiaga-wquM^evenima-tee a road f.%; n us. TJwi^an'fitebDatirtn/theyd^eaded was,j? ( J railway to the'ltfaiktt^. Hefjooked upon fc the Bluff Harbo'rana fnveTOamill fa Iway '• * Be!ss8 e !ss ,■ % fc c>; 4>fJ, $m ■-> W-< r -HU-r throuojh to r Canterbury, and though i the' [was getting f oldrfee,<hoped r to'life^o!set"a''fide through • on it. .He '-should 4 otfpose the raotianas . the time a^'afi^fa'fe" 1 HM°%t yet borne r The pROviNCIA!B#iiEaLS l OTCI3R said if/He I fel^Mli^ r #'fea'y hf b» ft M hon. irfeih- / ber tor Oteramika m his own coi a he 3 could easily do sq., !Jrt pp^-baH indulged in^ b attributing = motnves.in the- 'leasing o f *?hj? j!j jßailwaAvisttt .would !h»M> retaliate. H i'naa . brought fofWafd'hW^iion iji a very mild 5 maffin'^' t p^jW^n^^sta|^ whetl.er it • was^hey'w^' w s]jlsjfs MvPp annexed to [. ys wr or us 'iq\ r be T ,united to them. The P united provinces were to be responsible 7 Tor We" debts' of Otago and "SoutV land"?' i ; Wjn^^^the^state of r their finance^ I" The • ' wbrla "knows ours^but wing money, and) theip -.officials are sometimes ' junpalid-; aind'tiherefdre they* Were no; in a ■1 fceryi flourishing '■feoridiitftfn 1 . 1 ' Jlu the ;erms ' ! V^ r^rßenieht'''thp'Fe r 'was''t6'be no altera-"QOrM-p^^JW^Jaws^ 0Q& -no ! Otago , tftrjaaJke.ourr.rQada,:ther. Eastr-road tj the < Mrftaurayirthe 'ITorth-road'to Kingston, ! another^O'iWaian^andl^tll'Wie moreyto come from i Otd^J^Qh yes.\ Onl/jgthe. 'c^jn^fs^io^^^ Then we should r . riot,', f h&ye, .it 6 ogiye i&way ou; • rail■<way«.- fpr.Tnothingi-^, 'The* iGoverr ment bring in a bill to lease'tHe railway, ;,s the 'lic-btatf' wante'd 1 ii, . aijcT-fair. proi >osals been r mad§ if jtp r thpr They w^ .jjii.d^tyj^bbund-ntQ) bring in £ bill. They were not bound? to- accept the offers made, but letrlt'by 1 -publid'tender, ?,nd if , let by put>lie".tefeder, would on.c part icular 'party ' get 1 nx r '■' ■ There' were^sp^e,., \ eople in thgt;p,r©,vinqer mk^ thp^ght ttiey were,, jwor-thrsamethiag; .and sthat som^ thing "Otight'- ta ' ( fee'"ma^e r "ou't^bf Manyt "the ■Iduse' ' had. r stated often that the^v v^ould o neV,eV"pay, The terms aV?.Tft to. complete .ttieiiOr.eti dine wit i iron ? radlaat a-pi'Qbable-.cost-of .£50,000, and "work a"line thafewouTd not 'pfay I ,' all Dwing the Government to . T ta)^e 'then! "b f the at any time 4 u Hflg s sexin, , ,y egrsy ian,d . . yet they were sriving them away^ . for- 21^ years. This ■ orrdin'ance'must ! be assented to ty the Gove'fnoH '~THe"hon'. v member insinuated' that' the 1 Provincial Treasurer wisl ed to .'^ve ! the^ railway to a friend of his, apd, he did not like it. If this motio a ' was carried Southland would- be bjottsd out like sDme-of .thS' Gferman stat'esi, abd^ beconie'-a^'niere' 'ap'penSJaSe to a more : powerful sta't^ " r^^He^ jtßoug^it the saving ,jn tfeft.^verjiwg 'pi,, tb'£ : ;tPsO v inee might be' to Ota go, as -iheyißtfu^fhaveigaol,' policej hospital, and i; harbor department, n &d. Sv.perini" tend ent' ; " :^nd"; ( T Tr« asure'r yiigl^.i^o^pkl'^a^F^,,!^ they would idp]e,o,ut.a;very small, sum. to be spent in^ tnyiercargill out of -Uhe^ 6652,00© they would- pocket from t«g. '' Fb'r the province to go a-head there ""'mus't some ode' ;( tb look after itS;,pyopgrty Jan' 4 some one tp^ lock after Otagc ; and while we thus savjeKtwo-' officials' salaries--we: shadli^Ha-ve' -to Ipay'^a^share ?f Gpy^rnment/o^ :'-fyfagfs thns the most of .^ur m.pney would be spent in Dunedin instead' of Southland. T^jTjhjiSj :i g.uesti9n of 3 anne^|ion had to be cbrisidered in relation to the larger ques-a t\on gf .jErp^cialissmj^e^ws Colorlialism, ( q \vh\ich had Jbeen, cropping, .up session aTtelp' session, rin the ' Gener-al 'Assembly! since ?18$&, and the' finaUissiie' of "whicli was, he Relieved, near at han^t'" ' i '" l \ fl l ' - Mr 7 GutKbertsbii ' §p,plcp j ' "again jt the 1 : iJUPtion^argniEtgs.that.the.question shouldy-•ibe.considered"broadly,as-relating to—theifiroaperity 'of "New I< Zealkrid"&nera f lly i ,\ ii •' Mr* Tbsha&'k" flib've'd'^fbi* ' 'aa aajourn-' o.jp-rr.iTiit ,i. -1 (i.» nit., l ( seal If J mefli^ which „.,.., -: ., . flfQlhaes! ., said,, .that fro n , r ,^e almostiUnanimous rOpinioH' of j the Oouncrly" as expressed by the different speakers, he •■con s sider6d -tHk^'it' : I w'oaial.'"be quite unjiie^e^sarjrfoj'llijja toj/eply jig the different pgpea^rs uw,hp,.. |ha,d... opposed tbe motion. ISTothing .-he could say woulcjr Mtiem/iMeftll- 'dpv&oW. Indeed before' ' the 7 debate 1 "cSnimenced he had very little -hpp;e-o^carrying~it7t^t"he~h^^oifsidered : ItJh^^u^ti^-Sn'a^n'e 1 fought ij; would ■har6"a'giood t effeet-because .■ i&hdd elicited^, the,,ppiaions#-o£.;hon'. -members cfjpbafc, r s^pu^d^p theifut^re.pqliqy pf^t^ie-Pro-. "vihee and^ Colony. The ceht|ralising policf tliat ha'd'obfaine^favorin thd Nbrtlv; lrfntftdraifcitM r &&(fc P|dvince, .Jiad notbeenifpursuedrin^OKS^oj; between of road ; werer oaen for •traffic. thßi-el'' ; 'Eo'6king!;at ; thiß;f^ci it was absurffjto' say^ tffai;".'. jfehe' ; "pp'^y^ . pf O fago; ■' , j^aft #,, j?e,nJtir3.«siogtPne>,, i,,^ d ; . i _-^^' Dr Menzies spoke against the motion •' and: pointed "odt "'a 'furida^ntal ■■.point omitted in the b!a£& "P^t^e mfftini-ihow 1 ' ibM' f r^ypue'; i \\(a^' i tQ; 'tie^ftppf o nriat'gd"" pjf^the,. questions. wtich the, mover had . discussed : Was-inerely a'.fjcag- '] <^n6ntal-'part'i"and t'hat'the prinfeiple under- • lyinrbafl ■begn^jtpgeiheif^ overlooked.* ?>" -". l^r^mrsfm;^m^e7,would caU *th:e' j \affieixissn pOhe, Housefo» a^sbort some: of the* argiitneal swnicS fhev had ■ttSed ; ' f in" i the; f ' I disc i issioh pn.:ithe: ! -Re-thojM%''^ Utempf-^ *&%]*s?■ W& °URSplvjes:» foF.^.x monthsy\^aijfJlabiou^and^iiot at allfJikey to be r.beneficm'l? iri^-dts^-'f-esultsi 1^ 'BBdadse that r autirig^tfre'-Hext"- tHre a c month's^ the liae j ia to pay it would lie" durino 1 tc ported aiM'-cEtgos to be unshipted and brought dfepe>tojyfl: ingraase! .t^atwiifietrjyeEjf. .con^id«jr»bly, lufcafteri that su.gppg.ej.^g Grovernment intended i Say* cbidtractor wnb" ' was instr acted to g*i fixrwaJ^S take ti& d&to» dfiferekii

by the . GoVernment aa sound. In exem"plificatibn; .of tKe", aiffieuTfy "of j Government ' ! t-tfo&inQ , lines to j advantage: i !••... ieven!v-: *. under: r mote favor,able ; i t ,»i.i ct^cumptanc.es,, {„ T he 7r,^p3ta.riced /the Wiiliatn^townJinß 6;<nnHes in jejigth. '•hi t865,'540,098|-^passenger's .were) carV?e'd"al < onfr l thitt ( 'lin le.1 c. and' «9;7Bo ! tons! car' ried. ye'FtHe^jflilt 1 waW'the'^alatKie of siw^k.ifl^i^xp'e^itu^r.flve^ was £'l%39i£7ißiilil& , th&rtQi'^los^idnr^nk the year was £23,4-7S >3sii <!iNb^'iti;would be some little time before the 7 f4r#ffic jfrom linp^er;^ar^lLt^{th^,^u L ff f .w ! o / uTd amoulnt to ( ihps.e,fiscures. The cost of the six miles a 220, so it .was to be imagined the cons]tri:ci;ion,,was good, an 3 ndjparticular enja^neermg difficulties we?e in the way, which— would make the expense jcotfsideniMe* f as!"(Ptt>«he.lßl*uflj .Sail way. ■the !yr wo'rldn^ expdrfsfea*pf Williamstow'h— te'co'^t^oT'niaint/e^ance should not be great. It was also a line 5 V&ft» MMfeM«f6a« s »^ ! J expanse of ''lafodr w 1 aß !! less"'in !! Vic<ibri^'tlik,ti here, and the Williamste!w&;line^had ithe^adivai itage of. j^c^ojiii^hvth^ -^p^rian syst(si|| jaf railways. One engineering, staff s jrved for working the Wiiliailistpwn line and the 254 miles of which i^'was a par;, the ''erigiti'e^riyg^'exp^nses wdui'd- T therefore be less. Yet the -'result ?h\vas a ! loss o£ 113 [ £26.^17, .■ ./JOS' ,;=it | ar,. : .-, I jworking| expenses alone. The Bluff f; R^iJ.Wiay would^<s; therefore pay asaGovernrnenlspeculition^. Should an accident occ'uiP'(as had happened already to the con'foabtors) in' the Government!- ■wbrMhg I 'oMhis Bluff line, the sea making a boJe^ in/)>the embankment for instance, weibshquld have to apply to Mr Staffo^d^tfpr^jjlje money to j rgpair-iit^ morjey wbul^ very likely be refused, a^d so t^ e fiijte would be renI dered worthless! 1 "Coiitractors woull see ' the" Government was in ' a fix, and offer!; terms accordingly! 'We hat fe had a trial on the North linef l and'"Jthe- result vas 3^ loss of abont d&sooo=aTy!ea^xipon iv ~ At" last session a statemgn,t,, I shewinffl that working under gpyeifnmen.li auspices, the steamer Sputhl^ndhad cost not less than £1085 Bs"2dl in_fbur months. Hadq^hen been soldtwhen new,a^?the;/hon. member for Oteramika ' !t proposeds and he H(^M c r' i^e^i i s i 6n) ! « wa'S'^sorryi'lhe hai opposed, we should proiVaiyiy have realised UVlBw: Mife .P.wfe Pbm.Wp SQall I ??^.- Government ,cQ4W; ; ,p.ey.er make jjiiHlie' pay: =• G-overnmentsKwere always wrong. (Hear,- iieav.) ""Company's were also *to r a ' "cerit'aiiii . "'e^tenj/.' private indi-vjduals^gener^ly-augceed^Jetter jinless th%y were f 0015 .,,; StiE r greatr care sjhould;. be taken in ! leasing? these" lines, th^y are" tangible !t Teault^"of? 'oUr'^ expenditure} parted witt . itp^and, p)}&\ ,objecifc '! jjpulj^ ' r bje attained by enquiring .into .-• the,,, tenders, in {order i.to! ascertain- -the .best7;means of pjarting with this valuable property^ We shpuloT if possible '&s''s msifes'-jthis^the basis of , suijneiertt itoima.ke.thje^eastern iinpV.-ap well as v the. north, line. . Buj^a jbe inserted in aiiy ifease, enipowgring the Government "b'agk'W pftit^^ >^a^..pr^c,e, r ragh^b t e\^'^t^less, or more , than: j .the" '. .cost ;', M -, ■, '■ cpng'truction. i Had private capital- ibeen- got. t.p make this line ?i we should have beereimj different cir'dum"'A\^<MJ£<ffi]p^&U^fe only get 'dee'p'ef K ''^[^^^^n^'^-^ei^^^e besp thing wouldbe to'sell tfhem', : aniitget back our land-fundi "iThev^wfialithi^esfe Government in Australia soldi aPi line which ■ I^sod 1 060 ? a fof^3C^3gO.«]HThey had a ,lajge c cre^ilfb' alaftc'f ■at t |li^* bankers, j,e^ .jthey sold. their jtine,, ratfier^han wbrk' it.' He had named areommittee of some: 6Pth"e* ablest men it the €>6uncil.'' r f (HearJ hear.) Men whose honor irbeyttnil dispute, anrir whose busineg§ r capacity *jis large, who iw^uld .come, tpaobettw, decision by [calling evideace,'and.preparingareport than could the 1 Council couldbysquabbKng overaßailway Bill. The plan ■tfbtild have the effect of ascertaining whether." tne, lmpujtations which had,*, been., cast upph the Government ;(he believed on, false presumptions), inregard to the leasing were merited,-. Without the facts before I;h^m ' " it' ,cou / hi / not 7 be, said if, (the^T^pvernment "were acting' judiciously ' ~ iir listening to the ayeDtures.< i iHe moved the iresolu,^. tion. — '- — I - :^^r ( ms^^r^nmded TJ thei hiiuse" that" there_^was''an adjourned | debatet on Mr^Jßiaeklock'simotion yet tp come off,-and-thafe a rep'ortrof'the kind proposed would enable' ■in&mbe>s to c^me to a" decision," ' as' " 'to' ' '. tfieV ' desirability of le »v:«et-'' v-^ """"I w - l( - Mr Lumsden opposed the jmowon -of -tTieJ^hbir. , memTjer^ ftwr'Waina^a who.-, seeme'd'tb ""nave "returned from Victoria ,b,pimfjil . r <>rr7v^c,tpri <a n 3rr e;xp§^nce. His jeminiiscences -a b,fistl b ed'ij,wifh ?f , statistics, aiid-wei*e-quite' ; .entei > i?ainingj "=lje^wa^ 'sorrV/he 1 60'nld^not thet-4omi memKej's" "figures "m i9 'refeff3ace! to the Wilhamsipw.n^!n.e, s Jb& Pafi3fi,, t ,ejteensiv,e fJ and well constructed, in Victoria". | r^Heye could bs no t comparison between iif and }-*>- THg Williamsto^n line ;way.now "p'arfc^'of ' a general railway ! By§''" tern, and he could not understand how^ ! the :figureS!ha;d been' ai?rived at. These Government litotes paid'fr fdivide'ndxof 3 per •cent^'The >Goyermnerit T paid &per centfor ■then;_ I _^pnev;^Tli(| iT .r < ailwaya were openipg Jip lapdtdevielbpinir, sou/ces ■ ofrthei' eoantry::' *3?kel Victorian people 'did-wot 'seerttto '^thihli- ifc-fdisadyai tageous ' 'Tcjr, : Grofernmen^ ydr^:-' raHw^i rs even l^glffi^uPfe^n^f^trtf %**ss* could manage to pay on^jS p^p cen^ifp^ ba3'=iailway4 l itt*Fouid' ; be i welli AcSorct- 9 •ing^to 'the latest JEEdUb Mwb?~MCr Verdensji"^^6.e^^egbtia|a^ig. a loUn on be--I&ialf\~6t*is% t 7Vipjii6riqii' Governr lent. ,of -, £BGo,oi)sv lor making mcrerau-" -vy-ay 8, 'and- thef.moiieyed mendalLon ion hayf t connMen'Ce t M'¥ietoria I tha't thfy would" have given eight mill ions' ? Iff 3 wanjj^dn Stj]^a3a^gqeajt}fnpiterrito get into good." credit wilhjmjoneyed men at hon p. We twereial ways rtaantedr aiumt tG»v eminent td workTlinies as th eapiyJas; private individuate I.'"'Thet1 .' "'Thete r> was < nb reason if sharply J looked aft||,sbpjaid tt 9ot be able to work lines i MSP j?* l^S^^fr Private individuals. r s9 sa^f? anisvtiSiWi * .

dujeted b'v private^j!AnipMiMj_but_ifc! waa ' r part of, t^ie fijnctipnsjof colonial legis- - lation to'ac'r'as r triistees for the pjiblic - which mis;ht be looked upon as not jh'avf ing reajCheditsjTnajpfrbyjand accordingly '• managed the estate with a view to enrich Mr Holmes' pointed out the j fa^t f that opposition railways s ia competition with the "Williamstown b line. If the farjes in such cases werje too 3 low, the more traffic the greater jloss. n imA'ltifytltyl&isbMsion eMe«iifedl*fliich waa 5 joined in by the majority of the memjbers. 3 Mr /^earsHhH-^ypEed to objection^ 1 raised by the hon. member for Oteramika a? ( fe r i;h^ I! cbi J rectness i -6f I th'e > statistics 1 " of 1 ■ ll thfi,wqrkipig!espe I n.^es, : p,fi : t;feei tq^^n, \ railway which he had quoted. He could Board OT i |Lan(lafldl^'orks \ on the Victorian railways which he held" » in his hand. <J^^hese figures are attssted f to by^..theyJsngineer-in- Chief of the I Victorr^n ©.ailir^ys,] Mr Higinbothan 5 who he s*uspected knew quito 7 '^' h BSrfcM't'f ■ THi*rdwiitb'isin^s's,A^i $ie hon!; !■ member for Oteramika can tell him. TJi'e I .ti'&iS^efeSa- tiffekte'd tH^figures ali-e«d/ ' given. If j^he Government of Vi(tpri^ can afford tb'wo'rk the lines at a loss/ we 1 shillings a year by them. As regards the remark >[[0 *Mhlori:M¥*J6|errf^r %W9fto&&l\ Mr - -Lumsden ;~he (Mr— Eearson)-appearjd to ihaje brpmght ajigrejat many tl rem ; nisc 3nces s of Victoria with him, he could only say that we,cfen!ilekri£ai^dbd deal from Victoria, and she can learn little froii..us^ The BW nteittb'eropir Lumsden) J^. been to Victoria lately also, and app saredt to have brought away no reminisce snees:He wouldicp^amend 1 to his earnest atte'n-' tion Mrs Barbaulds tales for little! cbil!:'yrfen^paiticularly that one called " Ey^s and no Eyes." There he will find tpai^ ? J wnne Tommy took a walk and saw " "nqth^'^*"Wniiaii£",'tbbX."tlie same {walkj-an'dP-W'- J I l - t %otd '%&& Good "b6f William ! naughty boy Tommy. ]jlia, object in seeking the appointmeni^pj? th^/^cjaWfljittrQerwa^ simgly}T r tp[ /secure, while we are able, the services of the ablest anS^mostyiHtelligent members -*bf ? the Council; men possessing the greatest business No Goven Ltt(£nt! f which can_be formed ,will be equal ;Oj;the. " L com : binatibn^-fie' > had - proposed, and during, the session of the Cpuncil was the only time to obtain it. Such a commirtee could calmnly,jin.<l with due deliberation consider the most advisable course to be, • rpOTsnedrjqiTdealingii withthie rajlTßajs.!,;^. however, the Council objects to tae ( .ap-i! Jplbin'tmelitbf '^e-^oniMiitejfij'thfe respon-i sibjlity of future mismanagement would rest with itself. TW&offibKwaftjjftft and lost.

; „.ppxp4X t; jr r ANirAE.Y 1^,^867:, r , . „Thej,QQuneU seven o'clock tliisj. evening., AVpetitioi was presented/ 'fry Mi* !Pea : rs'bn !! froui 'MessrsW. B oyct arid." Sons, 1 r with reference fco the - , formation of ,a-xqad .Oxdqred ,to lie on •the~ta"tfle. The ProvinciaF "Auditors report was ( read. and. ordered to be printed; Several returns" called for by hon.j meinf £>ei?S!r were? then Md.'! on =.ther table by 'the t i > rpAcinciali7Treasuiier, i r,,ia?he appjicatibn^ of Mr 0. R. Marten.. „,&£,„ a as. Director of the Meteorological Stafci an was noticed," -"ami ' : W 'recommendation mad* i thanks* of ."the i Council ■■• be given to that gent|eman for the zeal withr, which he had performed his duties. Mr [ Sw&le's- moGidtt arient-'the'i^lqsitfg ofithei laldAraxdkiand^ibridle.^paths.Jeadiau from Invercargili eastward wj^s-i ng?:f "considered, when it was resolved thajt a re- ; port should be made by the- Chief Sur-i , r ve X^j^ 1 4j l t l 11 ;? ifeP^f?^.fP f i^P?#J on - tne 'subject;* jMLr woods' motion "fpry^hej sum of £I§Q for forming and metalling 12 chains of the Campbelltown [Kroatijl was then [taken tupwt After considerable discussion the original motion was withdrawn. Mf.*. Mr Armstrong thesn moved the second reading ,I T pn, " !^iXGatbl&' T -V Amendment Ordinance, which was afterwardsl withdrawn till {Tuesday morning ; the IJjje. Brigade Bill was also postponed for the advice ot the • rrovmcial Solicitor or , se^eraj 7 of r t.he t _ clause^., , . The debate on Mr" Blacklock's motion respect-, mg the runholders who have not come under the dpe'ration'of the'-Xand* 'Act wak' y t;hen lesumed,, an^ r^ulted in the | carry- , ingof the original motion. The Gourics then adjourned till this evening atj Slp.m., . <^ c n fol] i?re§ ?2£-m<is r mo ? io j were given during tne sitting ;^- I .....i.Me.o Eeaysonj.. tp., o moye ..« at Monday' evening's sitting. " That the comUetion' of fche Northern Eailway as far as Winton" being highly desirabr a' committee Ibe apr- * "fo^nted'td^iave^tfga^^ iW fetibjecit, and ! ipepoft^on the same^ withupoweit jfco call for papers and exataine Avitnesses, such j .Messr^ IV^enzies, ' Cowan and Lumsdejji' r ',, "f jrs \^, { Z^. Mr Cuthbertson to move on Tu%sday-evenuig : — - - '■■- - '■ ,-i^Tbtt "6f at present established~'in r 4he*middle Island, namely, iy-i_Provincial Grover: imentsj ' not conducive tp. the^efficient perfcrmahce ■ jo^tlfe "j 'fj^ne^ioJQS „ ; of/^'Cf overnme it,"i.'th©[ 'public credit, 7qf community, andjfchat an alteration ofjjtfeis?, sysi^ /sj^jgh^y^s^i able. - O - ([ V,,. . \. "Tfiat" any change ought to be in the. direction ot simplification and coiisolida- " That the absorption^of. jthe smalle,r r1 - 4^incesHby-tbe4aTger4s- not-W^h %nge iii this.^dfiSciJdn)^3bu<| on the contrairy 1,----,fWo.u^^ tegdvtg) perj^ejtu ; a|e4^€!,e,yfli! arising " ftSm the prefent~system. ' ! ~ "" ~ ; - itJ - T - ■ j nr^k?t}>kf es.^is^menfeof one J^egi% Tature, and GToverhment for tbVwhole, lafefe'^^.^^.'WS'M.h.vjrelatians to the G-eneral Government as might bs n&ced-' sary fefe-*he: MSte*rests of the 0010 ay as a ; whole, together with a comprjhe£.siiVe c afiytijiftr ofiMkl^s^lf-'goTirn-rflent £oi 'Jifc.j tricts, would be advantageous to the i greabfy-- r fo r strengthen the financial credit of " the rtjo&aj, ••• - • - jU ■■ ■ ■■

Assembly be;req.uested to use their influence for, the attainment of this subject. copy of the foregoing rosolu'.tionsi be' sent to the Hon. the' Colonial Secretary." : Mr Johnston to move, on Monday retellings;.-,;!.,-'.', That leave be gr.mted to bring in a Bill entitled Road Ordinance 1 1862^^triendmerit ; 0rdiriance. 1887." [ j •; Mr.- Tosach • on; • Monday " evening — "To ask the Government at next. sitting i' of Council! whether they eipect to be in a position to repair the worst p" art's of ; the North Road between iWaikivi^ani Makarewa, before, the : commencement of the" season." „ >ifJ Mr Armstrong to', .move^,-on "Mout dsy t .syenmg—"Jl!ha.t the Reserves; made by his Honor the Superintendent since last ses¥ion-as per list on the table be confirmed:"; r! \ "'-'^fr^JPearsoii ' : fo , move oti , Tuesday evening-—" That the prayer contained in the petition^ of William Boyd and Son, for an alteration iof a road line- in pterms of ;jtae ;f feouthland Waste Land Act; IBUS, .be apceded to." " : ' : ' Dr T Me 7 nzies r ! 't6 "move on Monday 'eV^nmg^ cV That the petition "of Mr j^e^^op be taken into consideration." J)v v ? 'Holcgkinson to move on Monday eTening— " That the Council do ga into Committee, of the whole house, for the ,' purpose of . considering what meakiires can be taken to increase the sales of the waste lands of the Province." Mr Blocklbck ' to move on MondAyir. eyening,: ; "for leave to bring in a ,bil{ r , entitled. Licensing Ordinance^ 1865, . Amendment. Ordinance, 1867" • -Mr Cowan to move on Monday evening. f "That ; it'is the opinion of this Council 'fchat the rate per acre cnarged, by the Government, for the survey of land purjC^ased the r Government is inexpediently high,, and seeing that the cost of such' pi surveys devolves on the pur':cnase's, the rate per acre Bhpuld : in no exce&d five'pehce for blocks over two hundred; acres,. blocks of a lesser acreage and v, blocks ,.; with bush thereon to be ait a proportionate rate ; also seeing that purchasers under the Southland W^ste L^ahid A.ct, 1865, are called 1 on to lo4ge ( withtlie receiver of Land Revenue, ,;tbV3e£3 for.survey at a rate which this .-Csou!ncil deems too high, the Government jbe instructed to empower purchasers "uti'de'r the' Act to receive land to refund "of ' excess of survey fees . that have been lodgedjbyihem." h ( if M^ t .Lumsden,. . to move on Monday eyening-r-'" That the letter of the Resi-«dent-Surgeon of the hospital addressed to the I Government, and having reference to the motion for a return giving the names and number of patients which have been treated in the Hospital during ffie- six / months ending December 31, \\QQQ,-be ;takeninto consideration." JVEr, .Armstrong to move on Tuesday morning—" That the Council regret that the ? present financial embarassment of the province prevents its responding to Mi? ' Marten's reasonable request that a Salary should be given him for his services #3 Metereplogical Director, requests that „His,. iHonor the Superintendent will •tender .to Mr Marten the thanks of the Cbuiicil for' the zeal he has shown iv per-