PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

Southland Times, Volume I, Issue 22, 21 July 1864, Page 2

PROVINCIAL COUNCIL.

WiXAiXAtiuvs^ *■> "yzw \ ■•;.;**.,i 5 'V \ >'.p-%~' V' -._ •iSi^'A *Ji# V >. A *lISef.Si?EAKER took-the chair Vat seven o clock p.mYsThp^following members were present, viz : — ■ Messrs.""Scbtt, Cowan, Swale, Wilson, Harvey > Chahnerß,-Pea.rson,.. Howelli'-Calder, «A_instrongf" ,Nurs^e,, and/Tarlton. . .... . . -, „.,■ .- Y . ;^ r ., - s - ■■■# '- | l^he 'proceedings bem| pppne^|Av^pVayer,i tl^ 'minutes of last' meeting were read and confirmed. *^The*'BROV3VNOIAL daid-oh-tiie'.; table vthpf returns,-;, of -Ihf expenditure connected jynth.thi'_^Kee'pj3rd^ j lß^^' to _ 30th September, 1864 ; papers in referenceT;o the neg(^£tibu.bf(the^!loahlYfdr £40,000, ai|d other dociunents moved for at the previous meeting. t .. r . ,}yri)uA)SAA(Ai yiMss*msz.iA'£ .. . t H.-i.-i.c,v. Tliree messages. from Hie i Honor the ..tendent received. .an-d;;read'-'''ri.*Thby jeiiebsed ■seyeral yg^i of thp GA6^ernjiieM : ., G-dtapte,, notify- " , ing $ie Jiig Excellency, to Ythe i: fpllowing ..Ordinances.' passed- by ..the ,Prp,vmci4;;iGpuh^v:li\s,t-s sessiph,'. yizr:VElectric ...Telegraph^/Ordinance';" Debentiire, Ordinance,,. 1863; Amendment Ordinance] 1864"j '"Pig aiid Poultry 1 Orduiancp, 1864 ; ;Debentm-es, Ordinance (No. ii)',' lß64 ; Appro^fi^ ation Ordinance (No. „3), 1864. Corresj|ondehce''; ,- on the" ''Representation Ordinance, and report on - contract No'. 1 lof the Invercargill and Bhjiif Harbor CR.ailway.Yy .. \S\-i.'yii NOTICES OP MOTION. j i . !^\^PE.ARS.O.N ; gave. notice; -that at the nextsittuig he woidd' ask the .Government to j lay , on. *the"table'bf the House, 1 a return of all contracts entered into since thef;3otlif September, 1863,. up., to date; tha.yetuvn;;to -specify,. the,itnamc j o tractor, work to be performed, and work performed. " " *"'V „■ ... ! --**.*-■ — Mr. SCOTT gave ''riotico that' at next sitting he move that tlie number "of; dogs in the Province, having increased to such.. an ; extent as to cause serious injury .to, some of its best interests, this Council is of opinion- tliat the ' Provisions of the Dog Nuisance Ordinance' "should be strictly en- * .forced." : .•■...•. ..•;-'': ; ** •i ;. \ YMr. SCOTT intimated that at next \ sitting he j would ask whether it was the of ; Gp;. ' vernment to grant any facilities for e'stabhsliihg : 'a" factory for making woollen or other cloth in the 'Province. ' '■''.*' ' '"■ : : '•'' '■ ' ' "*■ Mr. PEARSON asked if it was the intention, of Government to bringforward a new Appropriation Ordinance ? ' The PROVINCIAL TREASURER replied it was not. Y.i HIS HONOR'S ADDRESS. ThePRO VINCIAL TREASURER rose to move "That the House take into consideration, the address of His : Honor the Superintendent;". He (Mr. Tarlton) stud the object for wliich the Council, had been called together was the improvement of the Province but there would be no attempt to introduce bills for that purpose this session. He referred to the Dog Ordinance, which he considered imperfect, and condemned the present Education Ordinance, and denied having anything to dp withits authorship. A new Road Ordinance shduld also be introduced — tlie present one was a dead lbtter)' its provisions ,, not being adapted for thej state of society in which we lived. The authority given for loans raised in this district was not just, and a more simple and just measure shoidd; be provided for the present condition of society. He would have, also, a new Provincial Government Ordinance, which would establish that* no one could be Superintendent of a Province unless he was a member of the Council, and took his seat thero. Besides he should have two members of the House as Provincial Treasurer and Secretary, to bo paid for their services, arid -responsible for ; tlieir acts. But he had no authority to bring I forward such resolutions, and he referred) at some length to his position in the House, and jthe enibarrasment of the Provmce when he took office. Was that man, ho asked, looked on as! a friend who reduced salaries ? Was he not rather looked on as an enemy ? It was most painful tq him to reduce the salaries, but the very, existence of the Provmce demanded that it should., be done.-. Ho then referred to the resolutions (wliich jwe have . already published) and hoped., they \- would be adopted as the, views ofthe Oouncd. Hej had nO right to assume tliat he was leading the Cbuncil in proposing this, but it was. the duty of every individual member to bring forward what he 'believed it would be the duty ofthe House to do J What was wished was to .get oyer the- -^difficulty, and therefore he moved these resolutions, ag it waa absolutely necessary that the Cojuicil shojuld pass such or similar ones. Heathen, iwent into thp financial statement laid before, the Hpuse the .previous day, and. pointed, put. that the pqsition'of the Province demanded the' niost earnest attention pf the Council. Ho hoped His- Excellency would adopt such a measure that, while all Provincial loans woidd be consolidated, each^province requiring a loan for necessary public "works would; only get an amount proportionate to its area. J If tliis were done, instead of six, they would only have to pay five per cent for the money borrowed. The* same plan had beeii done in other countries, and was found to work well. Mr. PEARSON asked whether the resolutions spoken, of were mixed up with His [Honor's address, and whether they referred tp future liabilities? i ■ The PROVINCIAL TREASURER said he had not read' theni,'-so they 'could not -be considered. Mr. WILSON seconded the motion that the .address be taken into consideration.;; , ] Mr." HOWELL inquired if one man was| allowed to give a note of hand for £10,000. ! The PROVINCIAL TREASURER replied that the note was given as a collateral security to the Bank of Otago, as. at the time the Govjernment were not in a'pbsitiorito adopt any other (measure to pay the contractor the necessary amouut. The motion was then put and agreed to. REPLY TO TIIE ADDRESS. j Mr. ROGERS presented the* report! of -the select committee appointed tp prepare a reply to His Honor's address. The PROVINCIAL TREASURER moved— " That the report be read," wliich was agreed to. The report was then read by the Clerk : — "The Provincial Council has received your Honor's address with great interest, and' desires to express its entire concurrence with the squndness of the advice which has induced your iHonor to call it together, in order that it might arrive at -a full and clear explanation of the financial jposition of the Province. .' ! ■ "While, desirous of expressing its sympathy with your Honor, in the present embarrassed position of the Province, it cannot but give ujtterance jto its. grave, regret, at the reckless expenditure on pubhc works- which. has led to ib — an expenditure incurred in the. face ;of impending financial difficulties of no little moment ; nor can the i Council concur with your Hopor in the opinion jthat the General Government withholding its sanction, .to. -the two Loan Ordinances' of £120,0J00 and £25,000, is the main cause of our present difficulties, inasmuch as had the loans been tioned, they Were, in the -present state ; of the home money market, . unnegotiable ; but rather to the.. Go vernment _having entered _mto .large contracts since the 30th September, 1863, at which timb' there' was an; nnprovided overdraft for nary expenditure of oyer £47,000. .__,. } ' " ,Ji; "The Council fully concurs with :*your Honor in the hope that the Oreti Railway will in la short time be open for traffic for a considerable distance, andfwould [earnestly rfecommend^ that thejbalance of the sum of .£15,000 a month, granted by the General' Government; be strictly appropriated to the .carrying forward of the Railway works.: :■; .y- Yl- y. V A: rSAAASA.. zc\ Ay" "The Council further begs to express ifp entire disapproval of the, application to other objects of funds raised On the security of the loans jfor the construction of the. Bluff Harbor, and , Qrejfci"Railways. Nbr can it see how'tbe'sum Of tliere loans can be expended' on- the construction of Railway works, as mentioned in your Honor's address, see- : in^ "that" it lias ' already" been %p'_nt 'on other iworks.-y ' . ..'•■'■ ..fVyzuzAj z.zz AA'AAz.AS j. v .,• f- , , z f ' The Coiincill will . giye . its earnest atteption to the s .resolutions on -the "aubject of bbtaih|ng~ tlia guamntee r ypf -Government |prsu2h • .provincial "loans , as may be,. necessary t^ cover -ckijstihg 'lia^iUtiesfjY "andY*With, this view would resjy^ctiuß.f'fh^geßt^ that a considerable portion ofthe land revenue be set aside inbhthiy, as|a

securiiy'Vd^'AKeY'^^ Rut this, jj fCouhcil'ifi s^on|l^f-d^i^oathat in the present *&a$ fit the'SnVh^sVYf^tha^rious provinces ,ancl< ptJKe^^ey'mli^^^ bo extreniel|| | 'unprudent to entert^^ati'yide^if loans further"?;. than to cover existing liabilij^esy/ " The Provincial Council learns uith regret that cil -Mt "trusts that your Honor will see the ne"fCessity of at once appQinting^ucbia Council from .; members who possess -th'© f cbhMeriee^nd^stiiJp*orE ) " The Council mncli„deplores the existence and spread' of C-diSSaW"ambh^cattle in the Province ; -but-is-unaware of-its -having-any-power-to -Legislate- - on theusubjept, .and, trusts .that your Honor^ -;roil^ j witW 'the 'advice^ of the*- Executive Council," take lßuch:-;ffi6aßUr;e"s?as will *|>"reMutY.thC)'si>?ead of the disease? iv ; accordance t,?;- '■■ ydur Honor cbythtfYGoyerripfti' ""■-'! , YMr-ROGERS moved the suspension; of the standingorclersj.-so that the reply might |be con•1 i D ilU.'.i..l..'i. .Hi*. *••• ' ■ a Z ! ... siclered. '„ „.:,„„*.>,.P , v.^,f . _7tvni<ii LUith^ : PßJO^lNqi^L f .TREASURER, said the subject bWoi-e* th'o^^House was His- Honor's addrea^As^Ai-'Aiy/AAIA -j. a Mr.-ROGERS; considered that disposed of,' Mß- ' *} appealed jto jMx.. Speaker, ;y yyi ['flj Oc. 1 "Mr. SPEAKER could not decido onewayor--other.-y v AyAf 'ASHXISA ' I'" i -.-, After some discussiQnj '-,- •-(■ ■:. --,- r, j-g- ; '•" Mi-? '(IjALD'ER, considered" that'in-fthe reply. . rested thc^ whole course of their future proceed-' ' .ings[fan& : if>^ not to be. ' r ashedrthr ox^hjtheYHpUse; y ~ Ordiharly ."the reply . to th% 'address was Ya'Ymer<S- formality, but! in this case it was a reply taMngChp "the leadigg questions relating to-ithe.tgo.yermnent of the Se tbejeforq^.coMidered ...it. „right^that„it_jgliould be printed, and, well .considered by every member of the House! •'' Being' a member of the select committee]; he'knew rthoroughly dt^vhatu^" and- Ycontcnts;:but: others didn'ot and could notf ijpni merely hearing it read. — He therefore moved ijhat the reply, be t>priutedj and Y brought up toimorrow evening.- ----- -*•--*- -*- i Mr. WILS,ONj seconded the motion, i The PROVINCIAL TREASURER reminded the 'Hoiise/thatlthei ; fact- o£ - " reading"*, was supposed to place the House in possession of the statementstin tlie document.' ' j Mr. ROGERS,- in reply, Opposed any adjourn-, /ment,' as that' would protract the^prdcececjlihgs, ttvo v the inconvenience" of country members. • ; •■. .*.■• -io-.!-/ • A discussion^ thenVtook place on the amendment, which was, negatived, ; tho ayesrbping 6 f ; % noes," 7."" ' Some misunderstahding having been caused as to thenature" ofthe motion and amendment, tlje.Reply . was again read, and "another" division took place : with tiie same resiilt. ] / ">' A J A j The. motion^ being put and jCarriedj , , ■ The Houise; went into comMittee oh the '-Reply.Mr. ROGERS heid little to say in its support, except that he^ assented to every opinion expressed in it. He was not -prepared to-guarantee the accuracy of all. the statements made, but presumed those relating to money matters to.be so 1 , 1 as he ; had tried to prove them incorrect, and. had failed. Referring to the paragraph A about His! Honor posssssing the, confidence ; - of; this House,; he' said: it was exactly tlie tone of feeling represented by them last session. ' ; * > Mr. COWAN objected to giving aiiOpijliOn on the subject Until'lte had time to consider it. Mr. WILSON agreed, with the bon. member's remarks:.;- yy yyy; AS. y .'.>••■; Mr, .CHALMERS had no objections to. the document being "printed. Meesers. CALDER-and -HARVEY spoke "infavor of) printing the Reply. After a long discussion, winch assumed, at times, an almost personal- character^ -it wa's -agreed to adjourn the debate, and print the Reply, -Mr | Wilson stipulating thatit was' not to appear in the.newspapers. " " ..,}"' * THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT. i The PROVINCIAL TREASURER j moved the series of resolution on the financial Btate ( .of c the Province,- which we have already published. With reference to. * these resolutions K the hori. ' , member; said that, had they, not ,been so.&nportaiit in themselves, he shoidd not have felt ihimself : J justifi(?d'in bringing them '^dt^r'd'as he now did. It was iplain;! however,! that-, the positio^ ofthe Province was now-such thatrtheymust :find~some~ other way of getting it.out of its present ;difficld- ,|- --ties than the jnethods. usually, adoptecL.-, He main-' tained,' as highly desirable," 'thatthe loans should' be consolidated, and that no future loans should r ' be granted for the alone, but tha.t,' oufcbf a general doan/.ifpr^^the/i.whjplpl of New^Zga^ land, ,-, certain portions of,, .that, loan j should be, a ocatedV^ongsjV 'the. V requiring 'such assistance. : Tliis must "be under-' stood to be the clear basis. _The _hph. member also 'remarked, ,that r he.woid'd, on the following' day, endeavor' t'6 prevail -on His Honor the Super- . , mtendent to formuiiew Executivej'YLnp^der thatthe matter might be properly dealt with: j He did not feel himself .ia^a; position to do mpre-than-move the resolutions,' ahdVoidd not go foca'vojte; : of the House on the question. _•, „..,.,.,. AyzAz--Mr. HARVEY.^-r-J shpuld.hke! 'tb' knqwjinwhat capacity the _ Provincial Treasurer _ .brnigs these - resolutipns.befpre.thie jnotice.pf the House j? ; r,* ,' . : ' ' The V PR6"OTb|AL 3 "TREASU^RJER j rephed-r that he 'had done so, fepwingj,Yfroni remarks which had fallen from, ;certain hon. members'-at-the previous' day's -sitting, that certain [persons were desirous of entering the Executive Council ; but that 'as nothingYhad been yet donerby-the; . House regarding his position-' — whether he should resign, : pr should be. called u pon to do so-f-he felt_ it his duty to .take the course he now puriuedY Mr. HARVEY wished to^know whether he did, or" did not, bring forward the resolutions ?j _ Mi-. WILSON" rose to ,say_that he cohsidered the Provincial Treasurer, or any member of the Executive, perfectly competent to bring [forward •such resolutions. ' ! ■AA AAA ■■: |- 1 J- - The PROVINCIAL TREASURER- again remarked that he; would not the resolutions { to the vote ofthe House, -but .^hat he^shed an expression of its' opinion bh the matterY Mr., PEARSON offered;, a few remarks, after r which, •'-'■* ' ■• - j * Mr. W. H. CALDER said he woiday second the resolutions : proyyforma, but not because he thought they would meet the present state of things. They do 'not show^hOw the j present difficulties may be overcom^ bfy-rembved, andconsidered that; such resolutions should^have been tabled 4 by the Government .with more .openness and freedom than had been done, and mrt int suchr-a^ mariher~thatTed""them tb believe"ffiat" theyj did not possess the* confidence of the House. The honorr_ able member -.thought- the, fiPrqvincial -jTreasurer had erred in bringing the resolutions as' ;. *he didr" ■'•";•"'• .vy"; A''A'-AArA,-Ai^iCl \ Mr. HARVEY said they ought to have been placed bu the table. by a responsible ■Ministi*y'j''and r . characterised, the .present.. plan_.adopted. jas preposterous. , , , „;• •,,., ,-j j Mr. ROGERS' thien went over, clause by clause, the resolutions,; riaieuling'.'tlieni asYabsurjd, inasmuch as, "that they (took upon themselves tho task of legislating, for tiie ;whole of New Zealand!.^- ' _. ..TheY YPRO YTNCIALA: TREASURER^— Read the last clause ; it contains the whole spirit of the resolutions. _ „. ( „ K . ... . - --Oy- r- : ASSSrS •R'OGERSV-When ; a^t^g i is < ;b the spirit- iSfrfr'-wc&^e; f , f (tiiMr.iOHALMERS; took ;exception , to the^bne of the jre^hitionsij a^d^ said that whatevjr; steps* shouh^b£4aien, Vhus£_be v . taken^with mature deSberatipn. . , . i .He r .H^,no;,,qbubs{ the IrovihcS ' zhe ■helped but-bf ' its 'difficulties eventually, although^f f ei3iaps,:i not. Iso; agrefeably r to-a-'their minds as" /eonld, be^wishedgy : ; AZ if \^,aazziMr. *\^lLSON^hopcd; that those membfers) who; demoHshed^the'f esblutions- should amend them,^ or brmg forward Others.' V iy?''iiA. -ThePROVLNCIAL^TREASURER agreedwith part off^what^ had fallen from the late;; Treasurer, ,but the remarks of tjhe hoh. member f^t&^reti;' District*(Mr. Rogers)sveiyr strongly, resolutions, he said^, weije there 1 f t*hu.-the r lE6_seWght : expre&s T ® the Provmce war -Tiot-pf itself able to extricat^lpelf 'fr</mPits present embarrassm-Sts, ?Snd^Ha%'tKby' ■■.' Cshbuldaii^ to- siiiiunon a meeting of \;herp'-?ner^Asßeifibly , * ! for the proper ;t w^idei^ionjSf" the wholiß blatter.. L'^e^a&W^i^^^&ru^^^^ dealt withaahe had wished. -yy.A'-- ■

Ig^burar^! Jill t_^ -following *eroningj*wnibh was m »^k^^m^9^ ■■■■/■ >-T__> I|S4LMERS^a3ke^ and :. documeri^salgnnected with the negotiation of the loan for £40,61)0 to complete the works on the .^lu^Jferbpr^andjA^^ Tlie PEOVINCIAL ■ TBEASUBER replied . that the pSt|iei_\ asked tfcw hatfibefh laid on the , » tabled -...ti-V.*' ■*■** •vjfJt-. ■'■ y and wished tne'.^Hon. the .Pr^ovmeial Treasurer wbuH\_e <s l^'d^6uglS*fe i isjfp^ly she whole. He ~had~no-doubt-the— omission—was~*iiiadvertently jWado. , « pr,- ita.-,. , ",s>'■ ■ I<#yPEARSO]Srs J reßto postponed fdr discussion till next a&tuf^s:'££jg*, - " X "lijlfftji •]«.*_ THE ;S@EP Qiqg^Mi^ I^;COWAIi -Ask^d ioji-a return of incdnie aiid exp'endiikire r under the "Sheep Ordinance." The>^;PBO^]]NGI__Uo'^rREASIIRER Btated .i3^^'^g,tpfai^um recpiypcj.^as^ £2202 155.-Bd. ; and" of I_us v 'sum'.*^2'S_' _Bs/ 'Bet" waa^due to the sheepowne f rs ;f prodding that, -i^^was'herd -that they were not entitled to pay* for "a J sheep-track from -B_»_^_^_af to' thS'-Mataura. . If they were entitled to p_^that r; suni4^and''h.'e:'th&ught they were r —^the^sheepdwuei*s--would-be-indebted-tov the Treasury in the sum of about £400. ! Mr. SCOTT brought up his question aa to the ' d4nge^o^s r stafeQ)f^th£ p*u3tL¥tlVtne. 2Dreti Eerry. He ,askecl,if, Q-ov^rnment were,,prepared to finish . orTdpair itf-as^if^feinaiired-iji its present state, serious accidents might occur. The PR<SVTmiAIj. TEEASIERER believed tjidt^ft^^d^^ there, but K_ t _tate_'_iat'„ie'(^ pr'fe 2 sent do m0re.,,..: He thought, however, that the revenue of the ferry might be made to pay any [repairs (required/from time 'tjp^ame.-fr.j ;t,-/-;::>j8 ih-tf. notiqes p&tffTiois?<i& Mr. PEicESOKi to^dje^aifike^t sitting — " That, in "the opinion&6_____f;^6-__l, it is deBire&bleTthat (a, new f Ajpprppriatioa Ordinance should tie passed, having for its basis the amounts at the disposal,of the Provincial Crovernment." Mr. HA-HYEx" gave notice that he would ask the Government, at .next sitting— "Whether >the recent 'fepah's * or^iinprovementa-- executed on the Oreti Ferry were executed by the G-ovemment, -and whether>the?.Gjpvernmimt^iave , itaken the coni tract jout,-. pf/iha,, contractor's .'•hffinds iC .as "properly completed." r . .... ; ,J . '. : •■'- 'Tno '_Eo us_ * thereafter ; adjd_^e"d--*t_t 'the following evening, at seve- o'dpck-joy'r i-iob'o """ ' |!i 'WED'a_sDA^ f "_b_H Jintfi The SPEiEEit tddH the chair- at ' _ev__:--'cldcki . < f The minutes of previous sitting vr,ete read diid confirmed. sliiEdP- i i;i3tD^_c!:'' oolite Mr. PEARSON asked, that the resolutions he was -bout to propose ;i s&oidd be postponed till .the reply, was^considered. „r „,;.. ; ,„.->- This was agreed to, ' 4 ••••'-. Mr. PEAESO-T'tliehiasked^ the '(Government td lay on the tabic of the Hpuse a return of all con--tracts ; enterecl' : Into'' since ii tlie ! 3Qtli* September 1863, up to date ; the retufii to specifyrthe ndihe of contractpt'-Wprk to be perfornied, and amount* THE DOG- NUISANCE. Mr. SCOTT briefly ; mpTedn^,That tlie number of dogs in the Province having increased to such ah exteht-as to cause serious injury to .some of its bests interests, this ConueiHs of opinion that the provisions- of the y;/:Do'g;.- '^liis^^Ordinance ' "shbiild be strictiy efiforcea:" ~ ~ Mr. COWAN- seconded the motion. Mr. WILSON recommended -shooting every dog that hacL not, a collar on its neck. Mr.'''d__il)Eß. was sorry to see that no particular had' b'eenr made,; as. to what should bejipne. It seemed to biTn that from the remarks made, the fact of a- dog having a collar, was sufficientto prevent it from destroying sheep. , (Cries of -No, ,No) ■•; Jffleß.,.ke, Baid yftrith additional t clauses, . he ] did not. see. hostile ..plresent ordinance J__dd__2.t i._Woi*6-^ "The^ smiple^way would be to . increase the rate for dogs. "- r "y ~ ~~~_ [..J r oe:l'Gf[A TiMy^BS^ggestea^at^f, best plan wbiild' be to •give'iipP^ ; tb'iveiyj- man s te destroy a dog that had noftajbou^-^* -^ •'^ I|'^1 |'^ 'I&T^RDGrEES pointed ouf-that" the" resolution - hefpre'^he^Hd^ Orr "dinaheb/ but those^^ talking aboiit'Tit di^not show ! how ! it' wai'"t6' be 'dondi : without asnew^Biil. ' I' ' ___->SbO_T-reph^^ put, : wias carried' wit_otit'V)^6_t_OTD>*'{->^^aow *'yy r ~ 0 "-TEbp08ES fc -WOO_I.EK^^ Mr. SCOTT rose tb : *__ „ theT6r&ver__aent whether "it is proposed ■togrant^any'f^ if aTactory^for tlie.ma_mg^ in this •Provmce.' i: He:'_:dnotmea& to ask Mil G-overn-hi'enty toygiye~anyypecuniaryy assistance, farther - tbah- 1 would '-bpi given'«4n-i i-tEK-_a^e|6f assist■'ed!*° immigrantSli ■' : - '__e'3nibeEevedf'-7 that in Scotland large numbers would'rocpme to the 'yProvincef r if"they"were"assured-of~Bome*-assistance. '!'This!':h__s_>e^ it - .'wo.uid;bea / great/benefit .tpl-'thebplace.Vbut rather than'.-: sa'yTfinyKmQwi&e^ the - -opinionof-the-House-on-the-subject.---- --' VV [Mx; QOWA-f: isupported;ithe pmotion. To his r I knowiedge^ajlarge^.qu^ntitrss'jof -worn. ..was left to- rot,- which- might be -used^- if- there -"Was such a - jfactoryvi si:.;-:?^ -r^H y. v;J SlWl^kXff' >>ilMr:;B__l^^Y;askedyif;*^^ would be able .tovr^mpetdpwjl&i^e^hp^e^maiket ? If it 1 : fi^ed,. more- injury-would.be done-tQ..the. Province than if it had neyerbeen started. Mr. CHlAljMEES^agreed with the last speaker. " Any one who" could" work~up _ "such~in6_genous plants ;asrflaxj--&c.^and;;send them to the home weave into cloth 1 ; he' certainly thought .worthy of (.Buppprtjand encouragementr' He did not tlunk:.that,woqfcrp,tting was any argument in the T matter, because it^-would^bejust as much ia-ouDle to coUectitthefra-HOW: '^- : -'.* Messrs. WILSON and ARMSTRONG- sup- ; -portecL-themotioniLS. YJßfiO-I _j_o : £ .*iM Mr. SCOTT shortly replied. '. r The^PE9."OTCI^^E^UEE^ v while ho would rejoice 'at /sucna^mahufactory Being estab- ' lishedi did'not^see r hpw it( 3 .cßfilcl I T>^-'dpaie. He referred tb .America and^LoHia^senauig^their cotton to England, and receiving it back in the shape of manufactured; r g'66dsT^ , Tl£CL/--The subject then dropped. y ''A' "; : ?.'f«-7! i '7 J^TBB~&KE^i^SB^L Mr. TT A 'R'VE-r asked the Government whether the -recent: repairsc or^improvements in the Oreti. ■* t_?erry— avere^executed-^by^hfijrGtovernnient ; and -whether have taken the contract . Ljhe"^cpntrafl^ completed. - The PitOTTNGtAL TTIEAStmETi implied that the contract- was' 'incomplete, but he w_s informed it would shortlybe complete. ■■ k *-•■;=,■;•>'' fTILOSOSAi;*?O^ "■'■■■ '■'■'- __r. PEAOElSON'moved— " that it is the opinion of this Council that it is desirable that anew AppropriatipH'Ordinahea^should be passed, having for its basis theamounts at the disposal of the Gfo-v«r^_™__*r\->-_te^^_TO9_Sit3^uW.;-be simply an '.'■. i^lJ6f-justi&:toCtiie-pubTi6^^ an Ordinance;- — r— y_ .! : _K J o__i_iS_EESvß^c^haedlthe motion. ii ' length; on- r thc*s_bjeet?'brmgf^^ "' 'Vious '-:'__mm_^tidns7i^^ arfd ? -w^t Ereqffe'ntly inteirnptfe'd by^3_j?tChalmersv^u_^ i. Treasurer)yha'd rio'< objection fo^he^^prpposedßilL . ;^-__r.,WILSON^ <^posM^_i^mt»eipnyrM" : ' ; ;f tMr; CA-iODEßsffp^ He considered" that Jthe Province 'sheiild 'have such an -'f ordinancey.^'.-^- T -".:-<jl s .'r. \+tt'iK}:ZX . "'••... ; --..i Mr. r -PEABSP-Tj "in .- reply,' ydepi'ecated any in- *. 'tentien to'dp injusticef'tp thejprovmciai Treasurer. He (the^^Provincial t Treasurer) "went^ihto office '■'- iwheiJlthe kernels^^wasr^gone^and nothmg left but } . ''t_e ;__sks^fbr _im to >-de_/withii^"-&"Jii y. ■; vufAf&Qojne. further remarks, ."y ' :i_rT > aid^at;^th & l^ permission r. z&tial&BLXxna!^ if 1 the Pr<OTncial Treasurerf j would lay on the table • the maniSS^wiich £6,000 could or .would be r* '^thai_wj^^^^'~*^^ ■ ' ; ,„~^' , :■■""■ ■ '' '■' 0 v/*Xhe^i»*^c*i^-Tre^ and ■' '-inXti* oo_3<mft <pf ,r tHe ; ' __*t_e^'_te' J ;_iotioh was ac!»'^rdiag^^cteaJ^ j&riQ ... gm|^ . „ .*?_£ mm r-'ißXtiTt^ms _(dj?o_*_?i&_*_3Bs! ?■ s-3J|_r> KOTG-SBSt blrought forward the printed copies of the reply to Hob Homor the Superinten-

4rideht'.S*i-iddibsi,va^ gave reasons fori; the use ... df the.wora,£rScl&&^ Mr: COWAN, as an' individual; objected to the Jtv<M Yand Y^c^pHi^ the \ wdrd': "large" be substituted.. Has reasons were tlia't the former implied something more than K_ -tf'ould j ' dike. conveyed hi fliefrfply toTEEisfECbn^r'sladdress. * iif othingt more had tlleen intulrelcl,lhe?conaidej¥.d( ■ beyond ;-what;)Was;<authoi^d by the Provincial , Councfl, "ahd^if^sOj'it^ : : - th 6 part of the'(&uncU'%Wl^ As a member-of the Council he was perfectlyready<to'Wrn»his sharetpf -Me; recklessness, but ho^ -xjpnsidered/th^t the^o/dy ; " largef' sliould b'e.'sitb-' ' ' atitutcd. "''*'; *■■■■>■■ wv..,..-.^..i. j _ .Mr, SCpCTßCcbndedjtheamendme|nt. j He had no wish l to .exalt^lhef WbVei^cht,*but seeing^ that the Council wer£equ&lf tb fl^ the , word " large' "^iad" better be, substituted, j ' ;ji Mi^CH!___-__tß|^§;b^^ ffiembers'were^oniiilg rbund^o^h^ 1 Opinion exftw6V'day3 ago. It seemed now^ fhat^members were~not-inclined- to-throw all 'tlio" ■• i .'liMe^YtfeGfbfoffihieMjpf'the day.V|* \. -nymz ' * * J Mr. 1 'A*it-irlm& %u^o_ted the * use jO^ J thewordy??TecklbSs."*V' fit "Was reckfes^ expeny .-diture/icall it b^iteiprpper^aime. j;ii| iatking money appropriated for roads, and applying -.; it, to railwaysV?Vas (pot* " reckless," jhe did ; ; not.:^ ,Yknow Y^vthe^^meanmg j; *!.p^ thei term." > Itwas.io^ imputati^ mfcndenUousethe^'vfdrd £ reckless," .as did not - : apply to ! him o^y/V e -^ o^ ,: h^ !n P s h9h'h%t; row meaning^ while^largß" .tfidiagh "expressing the ianith^didnb- express li'p;'whple'^uth|. ; ; A ! Mir_ s 'H^R"VEY, , 'as 'a^ei^inember,^bisidei;ed 1 1 ■ he (i cbuld !l nbt find'amore '^prblfriate'^woTd'^hari. " reckless." He called attentibh''to' the of t ;theyj»ad-wbrkitlii*bugh theYWaikivi Bush as an stdnstance of. recklessiie^periditure -vand with that, and ethe_o instants,' he:, considered.: the term, so " ffar ftpifybeuig.stf (tog, iwas ;not strong enough., r .. Mr. yfHJ$<M ttgr^ed trith the remarks J made .r Ihy ithe; hon^imenibeE. ; V; to 'YA A..-zA:f I , y; Mhv SWALE' also. agreed.ri" - »>.?j Mr. PEAESON deprecated thp Yuspiof jp^rgen- . -. alities in these-discussionsivpleadedriguilty to. thp, , offence.himself,. and.';hoped rthe/iddad* paßt^ i ,{ would bury/its dead*. -.He'supported the ireply as ..,-> printed.- :_-; .-:.-io.r h-jzz. .:}••■ :.zCh-rr.;r> ! After some remarks from the. .PROVINCIAL „ :- ■OlßEASlJKEPv, ; the;amendment ; was i put, and lost. ,' Anotheramendment of r Mr,.CQWANS fell to „ the ground, .there .being no seconder. ;.; \ yy.A -. •'i ";-•* The' honorable member also made objections; to . '," the last clause ; of the Itepiy,, but after, a. long:dis-Y ; cussion, the Reply as it- stood, was/ on the motion: ' .; of M. Eooebs seconded -by Mr. HAEyET, |adopted ; ; „ unanimously, y. ■. -. ; .,A-..~y --y. : ,y ....,,y -.',,, TSE/liAlfD BE&'tl^TlbKS.v'.Y) i I^PBABSOK -moved a series'" of respluticms (which-will be found in* another column") on. the presentlartdregulationsr; He, : brought them •for- ; ' ward in the hope that' the' Gbhei-al' Q-ovprnment •Woidd suspend, the operations of the present, till the meeting of the' GFeheral A-ssemblyi Mr. CALDEE. seconded tbe' adoption; of the resolutions, concurring', ; with tefy 'few exceptionsj in all the views contained- thereiH: He was glad : to find that the mbverY^hdm Ihe had always looked xtpdn as an advocate of the forty ' -Shillmg kysteini-had been induced' to change his mind; He entirely agreed with the free grant System; beheving that it wbvdd be of great advantage to" the -prosperity 'df the Province. ! It was. clear that we were hot now in a position to paythe passage monies^ of ilShhigfahts, 1 'and as it was highly desirable ' ; that' oui? ehouldf be ; * increased, ■ the.Tree Grantj system would -^ obviate that difficulty, and giy^an. equivalent in value - ; to l the;' amount "" of the "passage money a;hd "outfit. He opposed the granting of too large blocks to immigrarits, "as . thereby- inducements -were .held out for- a portion of the lands being sold, not to bond fide -settlers, - and this wis -the class of population wanted. Mi. WILSON opposed the- adoption of the resolution3Y and conteridedthat the Waste Lands' Act, as regards' the disposal ' bf 'waste' lairds, had not worked unsatisfactorily.. ; . ; . j ■'■ '■'•■■'-' Mr: A 'COLDER hbw : 'proposed that,* seeing it -was inconvenient for members • hot to^bejallowed V to speak oftener o thaai' bhcb such - imp6rt^ce, ji he'^ shotddbe considered in^^ committee of Uie House. v; - ME'PEMtSON.^- i'T-rasjust bh the iJ point of moving the same thing.^ Y'... ASS ■■'• \ • ■■■ a. .-]^^eOWAN'e^essed*hn^ on tihe conduct^ of •Ymemberß, moving and '-'■ Becbn'ding'' 'resblutiohs.' ' of '-^such "' ; a' Ymomentous ■iiaturer previous to^tineaS^^ being "th&bugldy sifted; ;,;: in committee; *He, iC ftir'ohe; hadinahy objections•to ofier:- '"V- -'"'''A "'"' ''-'i" XV "V"* J ;; MxYHARTEY/'was gbinfr'-tb seebndthe motion. of the House going into c'oihmitte; wheh',' as it was fib'Ktfey'an&SdJ^mbihbyrs'present,..., j -'" : ; - "Mri' CALDER ihbved the of the '■■'S ! debate" till thb hcxt _ittihgYw_dch'wa's.'a^ed to. • : " -'The 'adjbtohe'd' debate bh the.resbiutibiis op,itheM ] financial state J bf the Province Vfas : also^'optponed , ' till next hie.tihg: '"'' ' V .; 'Si ...,,;. ;! .;■'■•■. Y*;. :■•• ZZZZVZI'ii .'-'iiroMCES l b f P aibTION; "' ' v .':■.'< I&: 'HARVEY' 'at | next 'sitting . "To ksk;;the.. ■' ; Government^ to^ '-lay^ ph :l &e ! ' itable' : f liie agreement ' between thb Gbveriih-eht and the;lßin"k bl Otegp, refefi-bd to by thelate^and tH(B J^reseht*Ti|ovinciol' ; Treasurer* ; ' and blsbp allYdetters^ 'and' documents ■"■■■ relating r io- the ; arrangements for advances made_ with the Bahk'of Qtago." . '■''•'^Y'-WiLSON-'ty ask;' ; at v: Thursday's! sitting,'. y* ithe"''Pfbvin(Aal'- Treasurer' what: the', Q-bvfernment A have' done teYse'cure 'the ; use^ "of proper -material on the Ifortherh'Lihe of Railway. "'•■■»>■" : \ ■'■Mx'. HLARI^Y'to r aßE £ leave .tb*°bfm'g[iki a bill to aihend -the' Liieensing s Ordihahce,; Session 2, No.^ 12, the* "Southland Licensing ""'Amendment '''Ordi-' ' iiahcei ni Yß62;y :! md '■ tW Licensing* * "Aih^ndm'piit Ordinancei*-1863i"Y'-; ; V' ; .';, . " I - "The'^Oßbuse then 'rose.' " : "' ■'*-' '■'■'' ' ! ' ; | \ \' _