THURSDAY 14th AUGUST. DEBATE OF THE SECOND READING OF THE NOMINATED SUPERINTENDENTS BILL.

Otago Daily Times, Issue 222, 5 September 1862, Page 6

THURSDAY 14th AUGUST. DEBATE OF THE SECOND READING OF THE NOMINATED SUPERINTENDENTS BILL.

(Adopted.from the Wellington Independent.) Mr. FITZOKRALD in moving the .second reading of this Bill, would dt-tain "tho lloush but a very short t:;:ie. The question was one that had been so amply dictassod that a few remarks would be .sufficient. Lie }-.ocefeded to po'nt out the retLSons which had reconii. - nde(l the introduction of the Bill, which were to the tiFect that the hon. member for New Plymouth. (My. Watt) had given notice .of-.a resolution upon tho sui-jeot, nnd that at tin; request of himself (Sir. FitzG<-ia!i') the resolution was withdrawn with a view to elVeclinjj a cuarige in -be law, and pass an Act that Superintendents should be nominated, at -the same time giving: ample opportunity to the various constitaf-iscies to express their Views on the question. Hi; considered that v legislative hotly should not J'.fiVe power to change its constitutioTi without an appeal to the people. Even in America that was the practice, and in like manner with 'rufjrence to thus-. hi)'they would Lave" to retire upon the people, in ordf-r to give them an opmrtunitv of expressing tlieir views. _At the present tim^the Propnckl Cou- ells were in possession'of a power to pa<s k Bill a'terhi^- their oot-.sti'ution at any particular momo»-t._ 'ih«n; %vas an-, important .principle- involved ia appealing to the -country on tit: nip^.ure, for-unless the- "Bill wan a -popular one it. woul-1 be useless. The people should bo -madeaware that f?is Act would not take from them any power which they might fancy they were in possession of. The Bill propose 1 "that -Siiperiuttnlents should hs appointed by the Governor, and one of the chu-es pro vi h>\ tint the appointment, shun Id be for a limited peri.-.-d,-namely, for iivc years. The itiaitaUju of the period he considered desirable, -Anoi'h -r ekvi-e picv:.!--d tl at sb.mUl it- be considered dt-i:a»)!e, a <u[j2!'int.'n']e!it couil bo vetnove i be'brn the explratiou of tjic po:;ol tor whicii hil «a-; a.iiioliuc 1. 'Shis should only ba di>ne in coinpiianre with a resointi )n pas-ed by not less thorn two-thirds of the ir.einbers 0 the Po.vinciai Council, or in cojr.p'iaiice -\\ irh a ] int resolt'tiou-of the Legislative Council," and of the House of Represent:)tives. Tbo Bill likewise provivled that' ■•-■■•<>puty or L»ent«nant Gov.-raors' o-iul'i bu ap-])oii.t-a i;i any Provincu. At Auckland t!io:-e was, at the pre-ent time, a .Deputy-Governor, who w,-h np-p;>iiK-eu by the tiovernorou bchali'i.f ihe j-owcr ve-t^l iv him by the in.-iru«rions acconi^amii:'^1 his coni-ml-st -n. Tbo Bill likewise-provided that th.-v shotiM not hr.ye an anomaiy and au a 1 Mi.alty by j^W-e^siniV a Deputy-Goveriior and. a Superintendent «t the same lisue in the sasn's i-'rovince. * It had !:een p<i::tel ■ ont to him thnt the S^h chiu.sa was eiinra-iictfry to the tera.y of the f'o!i?titution Act. The.3rd clause said that there: i-lh-trd bn and t'i:: Sth clause said that the ofries should c-?ase. It should be ic-^ieiiiberel that they did not destroy the office until the country should express ha epir.io:i as to v/hether it preferred elet'tioa to liomiuntion. 1hi J hon. i;,en,!x-r Wide ;jJiu.-ion fo the i.ite Mr. Godley,- as possessing similar opiui/ins to tho.sewhich this Biil advocarol. .The frrinal o' j 'ciion PoritrM'lictioa could be e.x-ily ti'vcrcinie by I <v- iay; out the word '• Supernte::dc-nr." Wicli rtfu-re;;ee tv the <)ucstion, he would suppose that tlic-y were for ta* 1 first Lime called upoiitu iorm Proviii-.-c-s. ami h; \vq:i)<\ a*];, could they not choose tho apnointnient of Superinr,?i!.;.'r:tß by "ciccM«i!, ur by noiatuation !Ho Inhered they would ajrree t!m a.verv f;:-ave siiis-t^ike bad been cornmitt-u by placing in the hands of the j^ophj tho election of A .portioii of »h<> Constitution "would lead to the supposition tha the" election of was intended, but <;»'ner portions or the Aft wore wit -]j v it.consi■tent wiih^h.nt idea- A considerable amnint. of ui-.-us-ion, ui!h reference to powers vesteti in ProviiSrial C ■uncils, h;«l taken place—many conteiiuhig that they wen? 'only TCunicipal bodies, with munu.-inal powers. Tiiis he uenifd, brlievitig that they were vested with more than municipal .powers. There-was. with some few exceptions, no authority possessed- by the House of Representatives different from that possessed by the. 'Provincial Council.-. It would then, he tliousht, be admitted that the Provincial Counciis were not in any sense to be compared to municipal bodies. Wish ■reference" to the practice of electing .Superintendents, he believed that they would come to-the conclusionthat no advantaffe had been'pained. He considered that ■.vhen a ruan ha/l once succeeded in erettmif himself elected a* Superintendent of a Province, that he could maintain himself in that position it' he only wished to iiuke use of the means p'aivd within his power to v,< ro. The Superintendent, being an executive officer, should not be elected, for there existed a wMe difference between a legislative-and an executive officer. When the people were about to elect a Superintendent the considerations should be— lias the candidate -the capacity for 2"ov*rriing, has he the ability tv 'work for our good, and does he possess the honest- of purpose requisite? In nominating a Supeuntei. ~Nt all these questions should be carefully weighed, but in electing one the people had v.o means of knowing whether tbe candidate p.jsse.-.sed the requisite abilities only by what heniisht*ay to the electors, oat"'c hustings. They had heard niuch of competitive examinations,'and*thfy had likewise heard it said that men, before beinz elected to positions of trust n^d honor, .should bo submitted to those examinations, but he considered that the examination on the hustings v:t.s no {•xaminriticn at all. Tho most perfect examination was that to which persons i wero subjocte Iby Ministers of the lmi>erial Pailia- i ment—-where, hie .individual had to pa=s throaah an I examination c-»' almost a lifetime before he was in- I stalle-l-in. that position. Was not that tria 1 more satislactory than where a man c-nne down on'the | burstings aud said " I am the man to represent you — e!c-:t me !'' H- believed that the elccti.-n of Super- j intendent ba<i i:ot been satisfactory in Ihat \iarticular. I By it the peojile. instead of gaininsc p->wer, were con- j tmna'.ly giving away tiie power which thev-posyesae !. Both the Sh; erintendent and tho Provincial Cound were elected, with equal power*.' Well the Council says to the Superintendent '• yon must do so and so we represent the ■ people.". " The Superintendent deelmes dofog that, and says "you nm-t do so | and ?o, I represent, the people." "They were both equally rep-e^ntatives of the people. " One greit Jault existed, in th« constitution of 'Provincial Ocunt-ils, and that was that Superintendents had j pot power to di^-clve the Couocil.-' Thop- -o^c of New j Zealand had lost jjolilical power by th^'svsteni' of I electing Superintendents. Another"p'nint vas that ' the funerinttudent was chanrod.with the cvp.->nditui^ oi a lar^e r-ortion of the pi:hlic money, an<l if tlwv elect him to nn expeutive-office, with a control over that la ge expenditure, thav would pace biiu in an exirf-raely dangerous position. If b e (Mr. Fi; 2 . per-jld) was called upon to invent a■ svttom by which bribery ar.d eon-uptjon could rxist, lie would invent precisely the'same thing. In these remarks he wished it to be distinctly understood that it was not because of anything that had occurred in the colony bo long as Superintendmts eyisfed it was their duty to support them, and he would not say anything wluo.n might he in. any way hurtful to any Superintendent. He believed that the elections had ben comparatively pure. But he would say that if he were 111 the position of his hon. friend" (Mr. Moorhouse. tne Superintendent of Canterbury) he would defy the entire population of Canterbury' to "-et. him out. (Laughter). For that great reason, if for it only, they should give the people an opportunity of altering the system. Another point was that wh ntho colony was founded, it was founded not as one colony, but as six colonies, all holding communication direct with England. They were sis distinc-t st-ttes, possessing ii&Tent interests and objects—havinj; no common objects in view. The Constitution Act intended meeting the difficulty by giving the great power to the people, and localising the powers of Government. The object had, however, been frustrated by the election of Superintendents. It was a wellknown fact that all the Superintendent* had. at some time or other, been at " logerer-heads*' with the ! General Government.. The original and wise inten- i tentions of the Provincial system had been frustrated by that. These were sufficient reasons for a«kimr the j House to pass the second reading of the Bill. ' The hon. member then referred to the Separation move- ! inent, for which he had a respect. He did not, believe that it was because they wanted-'a Government j Kisrely to add dignity to th'ir name, but because the people wanted something real. This Bill was not as j a bone thrown'to the digging population, and he was ■fully satisfies tint if it was passed it would be most beneficial in its operation (cheers). Mr. WATT seconded the motion. He "considered' Its :e P^asure a very necessary one. After referri n<r to liarl brey s opinions upon the subject, he said that this was not th« first time that the" attention of the Rew Zealand LeiililatHve had been directed, to it, as it was in a sense considered last session in the ether House. A o.u.tenor or .political motives actuated him m supporting the Bill and he spoke highly in favor .01 the gen Jc tan who had held the office of* Superintendent for lao Province which he represented MAJOJt RICHARDSON regretted that there was a growing tendency in the House towards the extermination of Superintendents. He was ouite unaware until informed by the member for Ellesmere that :-,e v.ns «=.uriowe«l with such fearful powers of i!r,iij- wUchuf. Tho hon, gentleman should knr-r that with ; : n ExPeurive alive to its duties it w>v.ld be. impossible for" a Superintendent to commit ;>.n arbitrary act. iAn'audibhs lwodi proeeded from Mr. Dick, the Provincial Secretary of Ofcago.) Major R. regretted to hear the accents, of aDgnish which were wrung from his colleague but it was the" first he bad uttered since they were in the same Executive Council. Major-R.-was unconcious of the power he was said to possess of securiijg Ms own reelection by acts of corruption and intimidation. If such re-election wero an object of desire, he had done much to prevent it by insisfin" in every case upon the strict discharge of all liabilu ties pecuniary or otherwise to the state. It was •

sud thaf'the ■Superintendent had no legislative p;iwer—this was a mistake; the legislative juris <icd n was consutven't. Some time tince the Proviu-, enl Council wished a dissolution which would dissolve him also, bat lie (Major Pt.) declined to coincide in the resolution, and the Governor declined to act. The object of tl»e bill .was to neutralise power, to put more power irto the hau s of the Ministry of the day, and was highly objectionable, nad another tilt at Provincial institution*. He.(Major X.) objected to the principle .and -.details of. the bill. Was it intended that the Govenijr shrmld act With or without tin advice of his Ex-?c:ittve ? If the Superifitenf.'c it wr.s to receive his " instruct i.m" iVnin the Governor, what was the use of hw own Exi-tuttve, and where was the evidence.of Provincial actioa ? He would move that the bill be read a second time that day six mouths. ' Mr. I'OX seconded t!ie amendment, stating that he woill-1 reservn the riirat to maku remarks. Mr. MOORITOUSE thought that (hey should do nothing in the u^tler, without flr>t having the Bill di-cussed ia the "different Province. Nothing should be .d«»ne that 'would impair the dignity of Proviicial I Council, and he considered that the measure should not bo supported until a declaration had been re- j cived of the views of the-various constituencies. They should Keep in view the supremacy of the people. He hid heard w good, sound, argumentative reasons advanced for any .alt"rntion. It had been said that, it w:is in ha (Mr. Mo-nhotis"'"-) power to prevent any 0:10 g.ttiu.i into the oiuce which he held, but he coiled not see'Lov he eou'd do that, and he (iid iMt beiievo himself mure excellent tli-ni his fellows Supp'js:i»g the system changed, wlnt s^c irity had they that corruption w-.ivkl not \»: practised— what seauviiy was jtirai fisnfc tVy mi.-'ht no'; 'be'operated upon i»y ntio'/u-r proee-s 'He had heanl j terms u-ed, with vizard to Hupprmtemk'n'H, of a rwist -offensive charncu'r. A3 i\>f himself lie* was a j co^iserv.ilivt", U.-c-iuse {)<• km-.w conservatism w.vi t!-e wtiVst policy—-it \v;n a dnur upon tho desire for ••Iwuiri;. Tito pissing lif- this Bill would have a very mischievous • il'.-ct upon 'the people, and he would advise -the"'ho!i. wmilM to withdraw if for the j present, iiiid i-ifruiuce it at a more fitting hvas.m. >Ie lid not boiii.vij 'hat the nsefulws.* of an olliocr v.v.uk! V iiapair.-d by his being c!.;.- fud by the peo-.ile ; f-sr hio own part aiJ hi-: ambition had been :in ambition 10 seivi.l 'lis- j;e Jj.le. tit' at! the people in their iwpeeLivi; I'ivviiic;-; i;e b.-lie-.u t tbiit Sunwinfuudents were the lmst paiH^.kiii^, and were treueral'y tlu best rwiitnintfi with ih=! ■ r.'<iuireineats of the : pj:)j.!e. If. »huy w-;ro t;> havo uoininaru! Sup-;rinten-d.isits tiio (fov-.i-iior sb.xil-.l f,; t ve the reoponsibilitv. Tli3 ho:!, member courses which might be I Hum as contpromi.-^ to the Bill. Hi; was-'pi\>;id to say tha: the nr-mb j-s v! hi, Council w^re qualified to o:-.-npy po-aiiii".-? in t!i:tt flou-e. lie could not vote ioi- the Uiii, and he hoped bis lion. iVi-nd ivonld withdraw it. II.; much r.'-grettsd that he Ind i t,:e di™<tv.uita;re of being porsoually interested in the motion. Mr. WII.SOX, CO., r.met;, ;v point of order, as an host. memN/L- of iliH Hou-o. h:,d n'lmh:! to him j personally in :> inanm-r which he thought slnuld no' ! b<> al'ojviil [liic lion, in ■mber ivu'rre 110 a nmiai-k mti.K: ny Mjjj.ir- Uiciiar.l.-.jn in coun&jtiiin with the | SU.ll-ainr-. ] Major Hich.-ii-d^on f-;<{.laine-l. Tii.-lion incmiH-r lumionnisiy c^mmentod it'pors tins remarks male !v;-M:.j.i:- lf.i.-!i:;nl>..n, an I expn.-ed hi-, hi-h admu-atr.il oi't'iat ir-.!it.leiii;uj, w!i.)m h, ; ha.i known »or a period r.f ihlrty y t .tiN, H<- (Mr. WiUi;;) had been doin^ his b.>,t tv iiupr.-^ on the mind.* of uteni-!)fj-.s the propii.-ty ~f lu.-.i,;,-..5, and not, talking, but wuhoii avhil. Sf l!n;if was ai.yiliiiiu- that .-oidd in<:iioe him V, v.'.ie -»prai:,st the Kii'l it.was that hi^-liori fricii,! (.M;.j,.r KiehanL-.m) mi_'l;t h<- r.'-t-le.-n-1 10 thtposition whicii' he th^ii he-Id. He would, liower.'-r vote forth.- Hill, a^ he liu'icved. it. would havfj lin^ filect of pniiim; a stop to th« nuUuronisai which cxi ted. ■Mr. O'NKILI;■ ruse wit'i j^i-at pleasure indocd to sty that he woul«i ntor.l his vote in i.iv.if of the second mutiny: of the B'll t;o\v bvt'.re the l[(ni.s*% bt-catisa in if he saw a reasonable hope of getting iiii ofet.-.-tior.s which wore bvl-uir.in<jr a pj-itive n'lisa'ice to the Auckland province. If hy thought for a moment, that the nrivile-'ts of the" electors would bo in any way abrid^! by the Bili in question, lie would ruast certainly vole ajzamct. it; but by tho provisions of She Bill he fouix! thai, thu ultimate dfcbiou w,-: s left in. the hands of the electors ihemsHves ; a-, hofor.' c'lanire could take place, th*- w'ni.'e questiim would have to be vcmiia?--d and di-cu^.'d from cvfrv hust"ij,'s in the ctlony. From w'tat .he had" heard and seen _ dniiu>; the debate, he was. confirms 1 vi an opinion which for many years he bad entertained that Superintendents 'oiudit not to have a in that. House,' be^iu«e, from their position, thoy are enabled to puhor aruund them tiie nudeus of a little party; and thus it is that when a mca-iury tic!iehin<r on 'their imagined riuhrs come bofore the House, nli the Superintendents and thiir supporters can combine to throw it out. In fact, St!p.-riiit<;ud«!iin> s * in to entrrtain thu opinion that they have a vi-sti'd liiht in the .Superiiit-ndenoy of the dilil-rent provinces. What better proof <f tills than ! the la':giifigi' made u-;eof by one boa. member:-" my Province." "my Council", [f ii (; could carry out his own view lie would ike to-sec th" Superintendent t-lce'ed by and .rir of tUn IVovincial •' Minoil, b)ciu?e it would liavo.th- ir-v.i ( fi'cet »f in burin-jr' men of p i«itiort fiuil iiitclii^ynce to oif-r th'.'iuselv«s as candidates for seat■> in" tiie (-ouneil, which was i>ot alwaysthecaoiiin the province which he belonged to. II deievid that it w.-i nearly iinponiible to net the j Kup-riiitcnd'jnt (.»t of oliice when once h«; get* into tha-- pfsition, Juciusff be hrjs the means at his dis- j posal for securing friends all ov^r the province.; at all ■events, without he.xn.-i of money and (rrow bribery and jobbery, a new candidate cannot hupe t'i suceepd against a former holdcr'of pifice. U 'flpr th<> pre*-nt s-y-iffiti of f'ecfiriic the Suporint^adent we cannot hop,U> secure n liarmcnioiis wo'kinz between the two brannhes ftf the pmvin--ial Ipiri-lafures ; for iustauco. siiould. there be three candidates for the SnpHrintnidoncy, the succfHsful' onn can only n-prs-nr a minority, in t'.io p-uvinc.:, whih: the Cou'-icil is mre to represent the majority, fon.--cipanUy nothing but un-p'eafat;thf'-fe fo!;«,w< ( 'at.d the "great holy of the! electors are the s'uilVrcrs in these unseemly con- j ; bsti. For th"e<!« aid other reasons, he supported the | I second ran liurr of the Hi 1. j I Mr. Cl)LH\'S'f. whilst ajrrentn^ with the s(?n?ral j tendency of the Hill, would object to one clause I which provided that there- «houid bp Native Province=i. Thr-re was a pretty cosieral fcciitif; to amend the system under -which £upefintet:denU wet.' elected. and it v.-.-is hU opinion that- Superintendents should not be allowed to have beats in tint !luu.-;e. He considered t!i".t t!ie -riuten Ici!^ nliou! Ibe € lee ted ff-ni the Council, or, if it was^ttll requi-it« thn.t they should b;>. ricci'-'d, by a Jii^hor franchise from the people. He bad heard, and was surprised, that Supsrintendents did not pos^ss power to dissolv-; the Councils—why, if ttiat was the case, the Councils wonld frequently be dissolved a week after mentinL'. He'would wish to w=e a orovisiou to the effect, that come settler witjiin the Province should be appointed Superintendent, and that no mi!ita-y man whatever should receive the appointment. The noiuinaU'd Su- ' perinlendents should not receive instructions from the Governor, no more than should a Judge. There j were several matters which could be rectifv-il when in Committee. I Mr. THOMSON fait it hU duty to oppose the Bill, considering that it acted unfairly on Superintendents. It ha'ibeeu said that the Superintt-udeut and the Council equally represented the people, but it should bo remembered that the former represented thp people in tie agcrrogate, and that the latter only roprnsentcil certain districts." By chanpn^ the constitution as proposed they.would be giving jiowcr to the smaller districts to swamp the lnrgrer ones. He reminded the hon. mover that the Colony was inhabited by English- j men, whose inheritance was liberty. Mr. Vv'AHD said the. Hon. member {Mr. Fitzgerald) was actuated by two reasons in bringing forward j this Bill, one. being that an elective head to an elective body 5* rtii anomaly, and mn*t bo got rid of, the other heiiiL' that a nominated Superintendent is much better than an elective one. He has made a mistake when he says that we triust not look to the present circumstances.,"but to what may in future arW:. It would Iw wrong to supplant Superintendents (after a I trial of nine years) after a disetiK-ion of one week. If th»y wished to alter the Constitution, they should do it by little and little, and not forget the way in which the English Constitution grew up. Was "there any I proofs that elective Superintendenta did their dur,-iinsatisfacto-il;'. or was there any proof that nominative Superintendents would do their duties uwe .satisfactorily ? Do we approach this subject f'oin th« point of view—that the Supfriijlendftms had not perfn-mei their duties satisfactorily ] Was it not a fact that in j all the original Provinces, the sar>e Superintendents have been more than once elected 1 Is it not apparent from that fact that the form of election gives to each Province the governor widen satisfies that Province. He was sure that the experience of the past nine years was so far in favor of elective Suporin tendon to. When we wish to change one sort of an officer for another sort of an officer, we should consider well the causes for that change and bo sure -that beneficial "results would spring from it. What is the nominated Superintendent to he that he is.to.be better than the elective one. There was this disadvantage in the charge—there was the chance of persons being nominated who. are not accustomed to legislate. Is it intended that the various departments of a Province are to be .governed by this nominated Superintendent, or are there to be departmental heads. 1 Is the Government of a Province to be a reality or sham 1 We know that we Jive under an English Constitution, but if we give the control of our afi'airs to persons appointed without our, consent or approval, what check have we upon its abuse? The case ; admita of being resolved into an absurdity, whichever way vr« look at it. If

you still believe t'-afc a lojal government '^ -.he one nquired fora Province, you are committing tiie Colon j to.an absolut'.- a«'niui of" it by thw Bill, If you pay [ that they are to hava the same pcnvws tn an eUctiv-- [ Superintendent, you are removing from t'.;a Provi-'ce :tl ose*powers* w ie i you bofi.ro have said ou'jht tob; ljfi wi.h ihe Pf-U'i»ee. 'flic <jueslon is not. -n'h-th'r there are objections t* the present -mode of •government. There will, and there iti'u.sfc be, objecHens t< aiy syst'iu while there ia one .Colony—nud >et ar< nnv If yju want goo;! government, you must to ••• csitaine.t ut give up "i-lte idea of. colonizing from nine dilfirent p:>ints;. Hy leaving the election of ;■ Supeii .te-i(*e it to the people, they are, sure to eleH a man wi:o lias *jiu" interest in the Province, and it i-f better t.'iac a man should Iks" p!u:ei t'.iera who ha." Bune interest in tlw Province tlxan a ma i who who lias none (hear). lie would drrad to i-ee the day, when, in place of having an netivo m;in, knowing the require ■n c it-* of the Province, m Superinten fent, we shall lii/eastine, or a slick, o• a pnpp t Hu advocated rcfraiiiing from tinkering with the Constitution. Th*real macaiuery for the 'country was the Superin io ideiu- and the Provincial (Jouncil. : By intftrfo \u™ wi h that, machinery, we stop the progress which i* las begun. A great constitutional change like the one proposed should take months to consider..' Mr. HARRISON said the Bill appealed to liira to bu one of retrograde lcrislaftnu; it appeared t-:. him to bo o»p.wed alike U the pplvit of the times «ud the jrouiiiß of the people. Experiinc; Wiirr.inte.:J Mm in the assertion, thai n » measure wul I b« more .'istasteful to acjiiiiiiunicy than th->t which would m<i>e the appointtnent of the chief ofßcerot a provinc- a uouiiuatcd one. AduiiUiug t!i:it a cumnnuity m' ;iit make an injudicious choice i-i the el-ctio j of tli*»ir bii pen ut -udent, in that c. we th-y would p^y'for their nu-tike or f.>l!y; it would (>,; perpetually '<efo-e them itvould meet them at every turn —a-u! •.vouFcl give them i lesb'tn <.!" ;;iliti,- ;i i iristruetiiui—a lesson whieii would cnuß" t-i"»a to think and .r*lvst sooner thai an iniiad .tion oih^'ure.s nnd Atlic.tßum ; .vouM eihet : and the ptvlubility is that the next .w-i'ori.u----mfy Wat such a com,ir-;:iily ha I of ex-'.vi/ni<>'it-, privileges it wouid hr.v.- X u-;,e.! to put the ri»hfc mnn in th^n-ht I'L'ice. Anyiii^r fbjoelio.-i against Mti-i Hill, anu oa« V) wliieu !■- 'Val'wo-I 'li« attache I much .weig.if, ii.td one wi.if-ii |,o trusted th.; ilous-v would not hastily pa-; ~»■..,-. -~ tli:lt t!ll , Biil v n ,, fc ( , ie iVHint at, wiiich th- Cjio.iy 1, ; IS .-uTivi-i—it contains jK't tliefmb'»li:n,.,.t o, >a»iic opi-.-.t m ; tbr noputitions lavvj^i-en rejciv-.: «•-, ihe sul.jt-i-t, n--r ha* any expre.MO!i ot en-Hi: opinion b.;eu !iear.i uiih n f ;rc.ce i> it. Ui UnhUd tint the H o .,s-} w*.M not ventu'v on .sr), ; re.u acin^ in th- ciM.stitmio.i unt".l loudly ea!l"d tor by tlir; s . oi,l tt< ' ] Mr. UAKLKTuN Vaiil that at tli.j w^urst of uiMn-!).'i-slw\vijuld iuovcth.3 ad.ourinnent of tli 2 <!eb;ito. until lmuviay i, -;t. Air. J U. IllUil MO.YD seconded tin motion. homy di-cit^i'tu ep.-iut-d, and tiie debate v,-ai ilnally adjjurntd until Tuesday next.

TUESDAY, 'AUG. 19. Dehatk Kkscmki). ■Mr. nYZIIERUEItt moved that the debate be nnvW atiji.uni- i tilt Th'trs'luv nest, and after di.s-cu-nion tlur nioiion wns neir:itiv.:.J by S(i t> 10 -V.:.j.u- IUOiIAsIDSON' in .vi.-l that the House do now «iivide ua tb-j <iiu.stiau. N^ttiv^l oa the Voices. Mr. U VUTKII i.?,j:'etf! totho Hill bef,,;,; the House, on tho u'ruuml t!i:vf n wns introdin; -d wirluMit einsulrin^- the jHOjih; o! the c.il.iiiv. if the e-uintrv wer.- n» v. a!!.>weil !-> p^ in ojiitU'iiii o:i the H,il it inijlit p ,vc thu way f.-i-■ oth^r ntud:imeiit/u altcrafions'.of nur tJ.jiiSiitiiti.jii. -Tli'* only argument that h*l bwn brought in t'tv >r ol tiie e!ia was thnt iv one or two ii^taiio;- a .itui l.»-l; b-.Mv.t-n the Siiptrintfiident ami his U.ninci! hi 1 0.-curnd. As f\r ;:s \\*<-,'l-in-t<jn wa.i i'..:).:(.»iiel he admitted there had In-eu v diiti'-ulty at uiic fim-, till at Urvzth t»'c eli^'-i-ssaw it v.\i* al>>o!ut-.-ly ii'r,'«;iry to t\xi uieinh- rs to the CouncH who would work in liar'nony with th:; S<ip,.-r- i iuteiKlent. tic h.li.ncd uiti-r the experience they i !ia-J hid would never occir a?aiu in t'.is ftoviuee. It! iva.; t.-.o'e<>.-,n v< hej'in tiitkerifij; the Cgp>t:tutu,u y.^t, I betoiv it had ln-en in operatiiio i, st-e ii,,\ V it re/illy i workfd. il<- eoiiKi.li'ie"! that this wits :", :.ttA.lk oil j the rights of th- people. i'ur many yea:> ;hty had i been i)-|iriwd .ijto^etin-rrtf reprfftont-aivoiiwtitut on>, ami thereby iue«|i.:.-it:ilo.l for tin; fiij.ivw.'ut of th'-ni. and had not ye! had iime to ufit aceusi<,:;i;■-! to M tli.'ir hciriii'^j. Ji.!'w-w;>orry this leul n-.t li-.-u iir-it di.-cns.-ed by the pre.v< un-fti.e jK-oph;, It" thi* had been ..'.me, an! r!.j p-rtj,!,. h-,1 prom.un<--d in i.vor of the dim^'i-, th.' i 11,!.,('. ivnul ,\ h ive h>: r, ri_.!it ».v.!-» ir, but- fiu>.:li was not th.; e.t^. A miart'-r of ;w },>»r I having elapse i piiuv the h.jit, mi'iulwr f,_,r Dun-'.iiis" i motion lit; l.ejwd ta move tli<; a Ijijiiriiijitut of tie I debate till to-snorro-v. I Mr. W. W. TAYLOR s^.^ded the motion re-luindin-i th'!■ Housi* that they had air a;ir i-iit 10.' hnus tu-day. Th.> i|ue..',tiou" being jmt lite nioti. n wa-j i-irried by 17 ti 1 i.