PARLIAMENTARY.

Manawatu Times, Volume IV, Issue 53, 3 July 1880, Page 2

PARLIAMENTARY.

THE NO-CONFIpENCE I>E^ . ■'. '; " V '^B^TE.' ; " \:-:~-£^~£- - Th» No-Oq^denw ifai rwrumtot on Tue*day-*WningbjiDr/ Speight iwhb taxed $he Colonial Treasurer with arrogating to himself , the sole p^wer of unier- ."I standing the fiaances of the Colony. Ha. condemned the ' Stafcmenfe, which . wa|, neither, broad nor comprehensive, and ridiculed the. 'idea 1 ef -'the libcai Board of >' ; Wotiks, The sweeping away of ''the subsidies was a bnuoh of faith- which would require veiiy strongt argument m the eyts of > the country. He wanted the Government ; to tell the country that anv*ng those persona, ;' who had been put down at oWI servants by the Oohimiss.ion were . included the., unetn-, . . ployed wbo were now working on Government >t<»kV Poetically, the entire government o> the Oqjoinj was being placed m the. hands «f ■-. th«r J^yal Ctonimiflsionf. Tha. Hon. the Colonial Ti^urer, proposed inftiotin; taxation which .was! not . required.E^e had come to the conclusion that there! was not one. atom of relief to -the various localbQdM^ coAtained.in the Bill now before* tha House. (Mr. Speight was alluding m U^ of condensation to a» answer giren," ;in Auckland by. the i Minister ©f Public; Iflfdrks to. M£ HamUn>bont ieitei* 'being- ' unanswered; when tbeiHon^ Mr. Oliver, denied that he had been correctly wported oa that oecanon,)— Mr: Speight,: then eontinuMghis address, condemned; any increaia m the railway, traffic, i It was ,out of th* question to" talk about 'the House reducing. ,the Intimates. 'They must b* reduced by the Government itself. .They had.bssn told" by the Government that reductions could not be made this session, , but that it, would be attempted during the/recess. Such a warn, was simpjj Iflskjmg the' Wbla door: aftej. thje hows: -Traa"stessn. - fija.trettfneni' '^ mantfwould; hare, looked ajter, and that at pnee. They had.'re^ir.d^ l.cture fr>m, tha hoiLtha. nvm.ber fbr.Banfi^kei oa ' L the subject of not having read the Property ;iax Kill, when it was 'widen* Ifo nimiaff? was talkiig about what he did not under- - sttnd. . ahe'hon.. gantlefflan ptroceeded to attack- tie address of Sir Williim-Fox at ' considerabli itonfth, ; He considered that h»." fpr.inanjr.ot ttie evils attending taf, Eubjic. W.orks^peln'y. Had theri. " been a few more meninth> House polite; f calljr henest like. My. (npfc^udge). GHHiesi; ftb^cauntry W>w, •#.' orusfiedj doi^n under the *te.'ght of heary ta»tipn. . An*, ;h(j. asked, mnahAd.Beenfirst' t% cast" robioquy amd, scorn uppn Sir Julius Voget but the very icenL who had^f^aihls, taol* ano} cringed and cmwlepVat nis word. Let taem dismiss him as their Agsnt-J&i»n#ra.l: if • they chose, on the ground that the, effica. was unnecessary, but let them take good care to appoint no successor. . xLeithem also, dismiss their immigration ligegiks, and leave, the business, of th* colony ;^be.tr*nsjfct«fc by the Crown Agents. <• E^femng a«in' to^ ttln upropejrty jK,,Jhe^bser^tha^^her^,, was, no doubt, a misconception op the part r ~ of the public with ' regard to^^ tjie s 'ttaf '^.viL: consequeace of newspaper writers^^antf dther unsc>npu]ous:>ra«?ali, of^rthativlandi^. ..There was no part of th'e gOTemment^f the '«; country which he to fully endorsed as thk edncatioh part ofiit/bWfTth«da/fpr»ebondary ; educa.t%ij hajd ; ojoi jet arrived m thU, -, colony. But matter of more. '"" importance tLan 4 fchis, ! which; ought io b*. faced. Tbat was the c[nestion of the Lani Aot. The Hodse ought to r#p#»l the 76th dause.of tha^Act,^ so that tthey at • once :d«l with the pastoral lands of' Qtago' and Canterbury, instead of learing i^ until : 18S2, as prorided for by the Act pawed by both Houses on the subject, let them" take: : sis millions of acres, m Otage and Canterbury, and deal; with them at Joripe, and they would hare an. immediate, rerenue of« Thw wis -a dity ; House owed to the* country ; uirdfr its present" v I depressed conditipn. An^if/^n*^ preasct^ :° Gorernmeni coulfl not face: and oreroome, this questiop, it was timp that' iheir places! ; %ne taken by another set of men. > - : ; l^r. Ftr^TQjr -nijeiily ''dealt^^witK th» quet'tion of the.'Prpjjprirf Tax, wjbiqh h».^ da-. ; fenced frojtn a number of charges' brought" ' \ against it the great objection raised >waai - thalj itwa> a direct ftix; but 'ithu nY: cbn- ' sidered ljraji one pf its greatest recpmmen- .- jdatipns as it wou^ bring the people^f^e to; facia! with The objection ' whichhe had was that Vx» GißTernmenihael : ' ; not; | stood firm enough. With : legarij^to^ their publio expenditure, the/ must be mnch mpre ,'mpaei»ti»>|n theuf demands ln^^iiil{ t future. thati they had beenin the past. No, doubt tje Opposition wou|3 be glad that' the ' GpTcerjjmehfeX 9 K<>ttW - fiaT,e ; tms; haai^^ djrty woik to do which wm now ferceduppn, them. oß[ear, hear.) If theSr supce^ded; : m stemming the tidV^lanil^bringlng; jfew^' ; -: ([Zealand out of it» diffiou]ties, they wpuldV tjbahjis' of into ift; th» : $ Majpr Tb ; W^foso fhopad^the peopla^ wou)d^ not be taapd too heayi^ o* they. : woujd leare. and gb to other p}iica^CTfieyy^ '■; pug^t to^te^h thewpspplejtp bear. :tajcation l , igOMua,]^. They Tcould^serre we., colony. ; witb^ n^uch. l:'ght«4 taxation ■ilj^^waß't^ro-; . pose^d. They pugpt at once, 6) putVstepV to all future, loarif or they^wpuld Ksye to^Si tax still more nearly. Hei thought a.goodj 1 deal of money. waa t spent by each successira, GoVernment girinj^. employment to,. their, supporters. Thsjr if ere top a^ the, pr#ient, time spending iooney on.^thei West: Coast . prisonOTs, but wjsra getting np.returrj, and;' ' ■the ■ same might be said /pf therfsolditrs on. ftp West Coastf ifho^^ were looking about for, swamps. (Laughter.); Thw^^unOi-use.in^ this as Te WhSi was reiaaining perfectly. .quiat.:; ■ f '■■■■'■ "--"^ ■■■■ ' • ./Mr. OJBBS naxt addressed House, and; spoke m faVortJ^-'the property; tax i^pthout c the exemptions' which hare been made. H«, agreed entirely jwiJbh, tae beer tix iandtwitli, r :: ,na reduction. }He. had, . it ijas true, * Toted •against it before, but the reason ojf that" was' because th : b tax was so smali.-andwbuldi then, m his opinion^ -not- j&j* the' <jost of> ; collection. T-be people who>w6uldr»sally- - suffier .from, the properly tax were^ it •]?•-- ---peared to ihim^ the -trading people, S»./ next referred tio the financial proposals aa.affecting local [districts, and said jbhe Housa. ■would no clouit gire assistance to the out-, •ide districts, |^He,,d|d not for a?moment r think tne 2 es(3- mates; comld be reduced by »^ .- ; quarter of &p tfllion. Still, he had no doubt. Ministers -wor |d do their ibesVt<><'keep*down cart m their < kndeaTors to improre tke stato^ the counjr^and^sp t^|ijro«#^ff . his; earnest siipporfeT ' - ■■ Mr.^^ TAnrn^^^ con s s^e^ 3 thatr|he)pw>peirU tax; would be |&r teryv,tieaVily on natire landa. I and so far th )pse lands true concerned, ha I hoped the biU would be withdrairn. He explained why fixoh. a tax shonldnot WleTied. i ' "■' ."-'.■■ ■■■.--.

on the l^Jthey^wo^cl not l« long 1 oaltiose benohes/^If 'the the Maori Billa r wert brought forward hurriedly,, they,. certainly b« thrown out. He^did not;iapprove of the measures B^naMOlTf and he /should not ©ye tliem^ h^' suppoitV "(He«r, r hear.) • /•••."'■".^.- ll v'L : .*' l rvO'iJ U a--.- •. lib. Akdbiw* said he opposed the pioptrty tax and would^ vote r forr an r income fmx infinitely m prifarance to St. He denwd, ''-{the pwatiecteey? Which^ sdnje ? p^pl«i-'siiid was att&chtd to tht ooUtttiori of thej# taxes— either land or property. -He w»» m faror of the beer, jaxv Two-Ji^An., of, %*, lunacy, crime, and paupihafm; pf 'tha 1 colony" pros* from the use of drinkL f iHe advocated ' sui extamioo of Ux«-on stamps. Ha referred te the various departments, and pointed out-how/Jth'eir; eltp^nsea-inigUtvbe reduced. He instanced thit m one of the departments- ,in We^ingfcon of £2339 cost £1770, and he was. sure that th« whole work of that 'Jepaftmeut would b« tlona by tender for £300. , It seemed L to iu'rn that the whole of the buaiiitTis 1 ' of *the heads. of depavtments-^rwb.om~hi'would call Number Onts^consisted i jn v ifttr6du;ing people, making enquiries, i to ".'Ahei inextoffictra m command-rrwhom -ihacwoiildttall If umber Twos. ?= He.dicl n^t like ith*.policy> of the aoTaminent, which was too<; muoh: one of procrastination— putting^pff; the. ei£l day. The' hpn.' ganttemaii ;.; prooMded to criticise certain itfinV in^tht estimfttas T^here increasas of salarWw'erji: prpposea.. i; ,He ; made spscial reference to tlia dissimilarities of pur between the "salarhjs-of the Clert pf Parliament and the ..^Secretary ,qf Cabinet, who with' hitf exterfsirtf k»of#laqge of the colony, and his tsiil hard-work m the Depa^ment was fi^qndff^owjl^lSi^pj.; yea^Thile the o%eu wbp.in he had »l]u4 a « to ifc was proposed , to' raise, frjjnj £66o, at; t £700 a year. :/; ' Agaiii,. J*M\ Regard to^^he. Sergeant-at- ArMs - WKo hjift £25Q a year, . lie wa3 quite prepared to say they could get the work done f ob Qna : fiftliit>ap s^m. He also objected to Hansar4M>V* unneceseary luxury, costing £60Q3| a year He; was; not m favor of stopping bprrpwin.gjut>ut he was m favpr of using -t^e boejpoffd money with care and ecqnomy. .He was tnore of opinion thaii^eveß that they hid never had a man m- the colpny ' like Sir Julius Yogel,; but htfgreat scheqie^had .«ot bean carried out as thafevgentlemaii: intended it should be. He maintained- th^y should stilltbortpw^^to complete tKeir-rail. way .But no, pubh^c money shomd be spant unless T tn^b^d^ieethat Wwauld pay. He would not hare a iingi«Lite^aph -office that wpu;d f not ; Heconsida»d the Civil Serrfce Odminission had done t Kood work, and deserraoVthe thanks, of ,^he House. Beferriug to ttod T^ldss of the Bubeidies, he filt spi^^fp^ifcbewuje it was a dishonorable st^p— lt was avjnatj^r t>t x^ pndiation. *TDKe hadmade the bar«in,the pefeleXhadJs^pted itj;.ipfp?a faith and the House ougUt to stand by their cpntract. They^must be f«i%f ul . s tp themselves, and faftlffnliJo their trust ana then they would not have the colony .charging them with repndiatiorf. is (AppUuse.) Aiter the usual- hatf-^urjs adjournment, Mr Ai.tWßi«H* adaresVed the House, criticising the action of the late"GoTernment, •who ha sa^j*!^eei»r^^Ylibe^iii the^i promises, and m swamping the colonyjWith people, a large number^! iiwKom wero I bow unemployed. /He was very to hear his hon f liend the memjbar f or phristphnrch. (Mr Andrews)iia> ihati altlipiigh . he>poke a^aiost th<» Govarnmant, He' should su'ppprt them. (Hear, hear.) pn f the; gufstipn be ; , lore the House^W'd' bewtis^in'-favbr ofthe proparty tax.; -but to talk-about raducing the Estimates by^r.a , quarter of-a anillio^waa abshrd> fie "hopeft that; th.Gt>fernment would sei'rit** way7"b#fflre th« •nd of the "sMSion? to;V^n>iittie/ thsisuljst: dies to lo«al bodies, as they had borrowed money on th'e.stwngtli^^e promuw made, $0 them. 'would" give" his support to* *he GoTernment. 7/0 - The motion- was" about to be put, "and part of the voices had been given, when.,'. l f MrM'LBAN said it showed the state of feeling with regard to this debate when fifteen pairs were up. He had not wished to speak that eveninj,;but ( luriaerl the cirrnmstaTi''eß he would s*r what he had to fayandhatssidpnf WffixaW (Je r.'he-'--) He considered that iii the WjSent sute of the country the House ougnfc 1 id 4 liave come forward to assist the Ministry m the terrible, task which ihey; haft '.befbtw l itb'em. -H*' critcised the •oeechea of various, members pf the Opp ftion. and saicl th# hon. mem ber for^^ Wanganuixuglitt^' gp'iufci^^pai*ner-; ship with the hon member for £prt , - s^al-:-mers, and gat a imalPprinting preas- and a >ale of paper, and go onissuing greenbacks ad infinitum. (Laughter.) It ,. would lave paid ffie'Jcountrjr -fc Kavet p'utL thpft ion gentlemen on boai-d the Hinemoa, with two millions of money, and^n^ them away tp found a 'nation eUeWlifw. (taugh^r.) He acensed, the hpß wmber | ft ,W W ](%' of writing newspaper^^^aiti^6jf;it. moment, tending to stir up strife between whites and^§atiirest,ii ; ilKl .'ii.'-iJa': Mr. Gisbobn« asked the Speaker if it was m order to accuse any. Hon. ; gentleman pf writing article* for anewpapty unless he was prepared tp.gijptt^it \.,.J\^ <-.-/ ' ir^ s >j Mr. M^iW:jreminqed^|s^^ t'oat he himMlf ha 4, bn-mow r thati o.^e oc-. easion crossed the floor* of the^Houst wh«n he fpund 'he' s was m * sinking ship. ' 'He'; then charged the hon. 'member for -'Port Chalmers with bringin| the colony tp_»he verge pf ' ruiiv'^hd. pcbce|3ed ' tq vpfik* sptcial refejencei to t^e rfire million wan. The late GR>Ternineiit^ha^^iflj;gad'ttie^cii!--lon j to the edge 6f a prepmica, lfhiph n^^gut have ended; m rainj and y*t f tpey/ npy 3 had . the face to come forward "aHd brazen it put with a To.to ot want of confidence. Why they ought to hide s their. diminish, ed h^s^ds. And yet they had" b««n abusing the Crown Agents who;had;n\pa.ted i«be. lpAn. <" Sept. S)nd cries of "Name.") He ne^djnention no qsjnas;; thy thing was plain "enbugh m the y Isr&e- andv intha^ob^ias^ Why th»iagents had been forced to, get the any sacrifice.. Thay _had W^SjjfMs^d.esl aboufcj. the pobf man^in Hie UoQM f but if it served . the purpose pf the gentlamtf n~lm the other side of tha.Heusjs they wpuld kick t him 4 to the d.TH.~^^ng^u£p^fof yhe said it would, no doubt, Hj? feH by the, poor man, 1 ; butit would^affeiit-^be i^oh mnch ; * more. But it was a t^toessity, o^i he would not be found voting for it. He defied, however, that it -would teuch i 1 e'pobr inarf directly. tHjt^re/p^todr p Ui{ i r meetings, hut not when they passed resolutions which were based on faiie r premises. He was. in r favor of the £500 exemption being taken 1 off. Hedi4,notJbiglieve.jAe^^ pbjeet to pay a proportipnof fch<Ttax that was levied upon 4bf ooMtry, jTakingthe tax altogetherlie cohsidered it lifar s> Very fair one. How much could they get from an income tax.6^Tftay jtdjddlfnd, ittfery' hard to assess such si tax. The only fault ♦he property tax had was it^ Jid not tax foreign capital. Mr. SB|»Doindjfi<lp.up(p»;tKt questionlof finance at oonsiderable rlength, , condemned the property tax/ and saidnhe was utterly Opposed to the. b«er tax jn-its present form, because the GovjßjnTnfnt, had gone to extremes, and he^ flopfS% ,the, ; .Goyeriimanti Would rebate,^- the 3.. t%x :.jby i; pae-hidf. >He;, eritioised Native expenditwr!*, .andj.said *ifc; wa« tefe^,npw 4 # t an i ,«nd(|r^hi b r^g^jof , the Qray Government, and it was quite time the expendi^ure,shonld .stop, although he admitted thafit would ' ri^t v Www>% withdraw the troops untU this particular

nosed of.-,. v^r\«^^";©ugh't;. : l;6"'b'e feliar|ed upon- tbe J iKTafcive v lairds 'iM' 1 the lands equally. < - Wif&#%. \ tive Department , had simply been ( a j guise for the iui&ppropriatioir i>f mbfceyi ,He treated .both sides wpuld a'apporfc,' tyj> ■Gtjvernment m %W finii attitude tkty'ire*e taking With, regard' r to the 'Native question . ' Referring to the'latid laws, he agreed with theJipß member for-th«~ Glire that it was 'necsWry ■■"to alter x them. The : sbonac; the alteration was made th« bette*. He did qqt agvtei with the. hQ^-genfcUjnan that^t hey/ could sell the railwiys, but they 'ttitghb profitably lease thej rolling stppfe. •o retrenchment he" popdertmed the paraphernnlia ofr the- Homo, and said that if they, had a president they eoujd, m his oponion, do without a Gdypwiobnfr altogether;- !A.nd he ; .«, hoped, tha ,7 ; r would ; (iic(qn.com« when they would 'hare no go.yerninent, but would eajrryonsytheir,.bi4»i--4iess m the same w*y as the Ipcaj.. bodies. But while they had Ministers!; ha'a did J not agree with the principle of . rcdufing their 1 4|a1a.|'|es, neither did. he apaaiwith a^wlole' tome , discharge of civil serrants, which would cai)»e a panic. On the subject, of lbcalflnance he wo&witE t Ctevisrnm'entv aa jundtr -the ( pr«sent t condition of 'things y^estlandl stood 4 cliance of gettiflg ! ;a cei'itainanioa'nfrofT jnatioit— dona -to-it-^which bad notbesn the case) for years past. He) ;d«clared himsalf an independent- -membtr. 1 .Under e^is^ingrpifcuinstafiaas., hf f^lt-thht fhe sooner \has : thp House was diisolr«d "the" fie'ttac, because] he felt that ,th« QtoTernmantih^d not jnaWity to -. carry out ! their proposftif^nQi! J diia "'hi, Ibelieyev that thare could be % miniatjy, formed witU a nii^fi^,!- .. • j^TOO^r :;:. 'lIL-lV. hit i; :The.TBiA9UBKB deliTeited.a long speech, i analysing : that ; of. i/lv ffad defend;m? >'>e*policyl.of lthe -pwaant _(iciTerntuent. . ! P^^be>^nestio.n of increased Cuttom* dutie<,,h;e said 'th^t oo>ermeht. regretted their iinnositiqn, but tliorjiVwaf tiov;help. ..Jforiifc. : •In oonciiuiio 11 , he wou^d aga|n say that the difficulty had arisen from the new dapasturr , which was tak«n m. 18178, when a.n Anormously large landed reyenua. was -relied uppn* which was ugfc realised, The i go.tjsf, ;; it seemed! £o' 'him,' should g'ei^o work on t^© Estimate* as §p.on -as 7 . Tbej ( should' then CQnsidar;, I\qw inuoh r ;taiat ion they iypuld require! J • ■' They, aliould 'insiit '- that the* pirh^ur works expenditure: should '-telimi^d.<^Vn;eeeji§pyry';and payable, works, and they slipiild* not prooaed .with 'them at ' j feo. u gt«at j> rate. Any x s^dd*d" itdppaga would cause a collapse,- ( and. feTiis was ta,ba aTo,id«d. \%t would be » day' for r 'NiW v Za3lan4 wheii ! the Trilisurer would hare to shi^t hw niauth as to the |(fiie state of their affairs, KApplauae.) He would i always give the House the truth. .(Mr i Secjdon^: L^J4ore.th'aQ the truth.") He would apply ■ JflL tha prite of the House. *omueh as tb.atk'thel hon f entleniaa to prpTP his wordsor else his opinion of him. would fall to a iT«*y considerable Ha,, stood to defend! any word he had^^ said,' and he 1 challenged any mamber. to .con^e, forward and prova where ha had failed, (Applause.) propedjwith their; j)ublip,]wprks,^ bni they must spread the expenditure x^var j a period of two y«rs. ' The' House, must : insißt l tfaal votes,; were, only takenrffor^useful and neoessairy H "work". (Hear, -hear.) 5 It would be wise of the House- to decline to go on With aoyswork. ; at .after passing th«; Estimates, except passing a few'necassaryßillsj and then to send the Ministry about their business to .get , ojr ; wii.th tjjeir, •necessary 'reforms. Bat of poiirse, the. first fliiiig would be s^o say which set of them should occupy thosa .benches. > .(Applausa.) Thevp^was no rensaii for any , panic, bus.the public lniist be prepared, fora m%ch"les.s. cx 1 penditurei m tha future than. iihey f h»d; in.' f the past, j If „the ;paaple. w«r«j : * w ? k f i.p< true state of their positioi^Jie should feel thttttheip work had : not 'bee* ! m vain. (Loud applause.) / ■..