WATER SUPPLY.

Gisborne Times, Volume XVIII, Issue 1450, 10 May 1905, Page 2

WATER SUPPLY.

and • finally -moved - the- following, resold* Lion:—‘'That •Mr L. ‘Reynolds be instructed to Carry out 1 the - ToArai water scheme,providing ho is prepared to under*, take the carrying out and oomplete supetv, vision of the- work- as per his data already supplied to the Council, the heads of which are embodied in the-‘lean : proposals approved of by the ratepayers, -Mr- Reynolds charging the usual commission-for s&ch Work and limiting same to - his present estimate and to deduot twice- the rate of commission on every pound sterling that the completed soheme costs the (Jauncil

above the present estimate.” The mover of the amendment continued to speak amidst considerable interruption, and Cr Bright rose to his feet arid asked if Or liysnar was speaking to the amendment, because they did not ‘want- another speech from him. Cr Lysnar: You :will get no seob'nd speech from me. I get up and I throw it off my chest and I am done with it. If Councillors cannot do their duty and try and disprove' the facts I state then- tbey are not true to the oath they have tak^jf. Several Councillors laughed at theiatter remark, which caused Cr Rysnar to remark : “ Councillors may laugh, but what I state is the truth. Councillors come here with biassed miuds. They should bsr prepared to discuss questions on their -merits and deal with the faots I - place■* before them,” .

Or Harding Give us an opportunity to disprove yodr statements, Cr liysnar: .You have a copy of the advantages which I state belong to Reynolds’ scheme, and X challenge-you-*to ; disprove them. I challenge the whole’CounoiT to disprove them. Why do ’ yon go Hay? The Mayor: Wo -are ! not ’ appointing him. Wo are only asking for information. P r Lysnar : You are not hero to oonsij’er this thing on its merits. „ Or Sboridan : Yon have no right to sav so. Cr Lysnar: The reflection is deserved by the interjections this evening. Crs Miller, Harding, and Sheridan havo dcgae nothing else but interjeot evening. _ c * Harding: I havo hardly said a word. , (Laughter.) 1 J Cr Lysnar: It is no use you going / Hay until you have got his scheme. I'H r Reynolds’scheme you have adopted, a now you want to wheedle in anoth y, enginoor to take it. I say looking at it V a professional way, that Hay will not tsk- f. it. Ho will not care to interfere. \pHy Cr Harding : If anyone will show mo that it is Reynolds’ scheme wo have adoptod, I will not say another word-.!' Ct Lysnar: Hero are the plans which show it. . w Cr Sheridan : They are locality plans only. Cr Lysnar : They deal with the whole question of rotipulatioD. l oan show you in a dozen ways that it is Reynolds’ report ~' •——- - —^\£a

INITIAL MEETING OF NEW St COUNCIL. 5s ■ THE BATTLE OF THE ENGINEHS It was after half-past nine last st'ening before the general business of the Borodgh Council was disposed of and the question' of a water supply for Gisborne came it—for consideration. The Mayor opened the prooeeding<t. by moving the following resolution :—STHikf a copy of tbe resolution passed by the Council on 11th October.;l9o4, re a high pressure water supply from Te Arai, submitted to Mr Hay, with a request that ho will furnish an estimate of a scheme which will satisfy tbe terms of tho resolu-i tion. Copy of resolution.—That » tkiiS, Council approves of the necessary step* being taken to obtain a bigb-presanre watet supply from a source at To Arai reported on by Mr Scevenßon-Smitb, at a total cost nrtt -Snoln

chase of land ; such scheme to provide ioi at least a 500,000 gallon reservoir, and Ic have a delivery main capable of supplying not less than 1000 gallons per minute :foi 10 hours in any 24 hours, with not --ittai than 140 feet hydraulic pressure or 60ibf to the square inch ; also the adoption o the reticulation as recommended by th committee." Speaking to 'the resolution tho Mayor said that as thoy had not bai an engineering opinion on tho matter coo tained in tho resolution, they shoffir obtain one. Preference should be given tt Mr Hay, because he bad been tbe first tc, direct them to Te Arai. The resolntior did not bind them to Mr Hay, but ha teV. confident that the latter would give there the information asked for, and afte: obtaining that the Council could decidt who should carry out the work. • ‘ - Cr Harding seconded tho resolution Bi tbe reason that as they bad not a ful Conncil that evening, it would give then time to consider the question. He wai also convinced that it was a r step in thi right direction. Ho hoped the Counci would bo unauimous in gotting tbe iufor motion asked for. Cr Lysoar took tho resolution as tanta mount to the appointment of Mr Hay_£ engineer for the works. Ho entirely dig agreod with the Mayor that preferene should be given to Mr Hay as against M Reynolds. They bad a new Council, an> he hoped the members woulcTEarefiii*

In doing this they would see that evßr; point which the ratepayers approved o was included in Mrßeynolds’ scheme. C-r Sheridan: Is not Mr Reynold! scheme simply that of Mr amendmont3 ? Cr Lysnar : No, it is not. Continuing, Cr Lysnar sought to shot tho advantages of Mr Reynolds’ scjjerm being mot with numerous questions fron Cr Sheridan and others. Tho speake dealt at some length with the extras con tained in Mr Reynolds’ scheme. Cr Millar arrived at this stage, and Cr HardiDg and Bright left tho room. w Tbo latter fact caused Cr Lysnar t remark : “ I regret that Crs Harding an Bright should be absent from their chair on so important eid occasion as this. Hot can one expect a Council to deal ratiavall; with a matter when members act lik< this ? Hers we are about to spend th sum of £65,000, which is a very large sur of money, and this ia the way councillor treat the subject.” • * Cr Miller: They are only dodging you speech. Cr Lysnar: Yes, you aro quite right they are not game to sit and hear if! ■ Cr Miller: But they have had it fo years. Tho Mayor: Order. Replying to a further intorjoction fron Cr Miller, Cr Lysnar remarked: ca: give you facts for what I state, but yoi cannot give me facts for what you state.” At this stage Crs Harding and Brigh again took their seats. Cr Lysnar proceeded to show that ther were the following extras (amounting 6:

( £17,512 9a 6d) in Mr Reynolds’ scheme which were not in Mr Hays :—(1) 500,001 gallons, £3120 ; (2) 8f extra miles ration lation, Reynolds allows for 23£ miles! Hay allows for 14£, £8750 ; (3) miles extra service main in Reynolds at £26 10s p.o. £3180; (4) Reynolds 10 per cent.\cantin gencies, Hay 7£ —difference of £i2g£j 17f 6d; (5) Reynolds 615 fire cooks, Hay abou 236, difference 379 at 23s ; Hay, Gisborne alone 151, Reynolds, Gisborne alone 310 £530 12s ; (6) Reynolds' 1200 house connections against Hay’s about 750-=differ. ence 450 at 38s, £675 ; total, £17,512 9s 6d Largest eizepipe- Hay’s -town. retioulatior is 8-inch. Reynolds provides-.np to 12inch, 10-ineh and 9-inoh pipes. - Reynolds, Kaiti 8 inch, Wha£aupioko> 6-inoh in twe places. Reynold’s criss-cross" retioulation gives equal fire pressure'ln'suburbs with town. " , • ■>; • Reynolds’ C. scheme gives>-700;gallons per minute, 202ft,'87!bs ;~Boogls do,Slß4ft, 801bs; 900g!s do, 164 ft, 711bs ; -1000gls, do, I4oft, COlbs. . • r . i Hay’s soheme gives IBoft 781b5.; 90ft, 391bs. •- Hay’s scheme basis,-60-gallons per Lead for 10,000 people ; Reynolds’' basis, 90 gallons per'head for 10,000 people. Hay’s height above-Peel street, 475 feet; present site per Llewellyn,Smith, 606 feet; Reynolds’ reservoir.' 1265, feet. ifDnnealin, 320 feet ahove lowest part of fcowns'Dannevirke, 210 ft do; Masterton,"-220ft do; Palmerston, 198 ft do; -’Napier; 310 ft do; New -Plymouth, 215ft"'do ; Wellington* Wainui-o-mata, -:4oßft ' ; do. Reynolds carries pipes on the bed of' river• crossing, Hay on bridges. Reynolds!; O. complete estimate, £71,376. ■ - : Cr Lysnar continued; amidst'repeated Interruptions from ’Gouneillot3, to deal with the details of the twa sbhemuH

you have adopted. Tout own minutos speak for themselves. Cr Harding : If you can show mo anything in the records of tho Council I will agree with you. Cr Lysnar : I am glad to hoar yon say so. 1 will tost Cr Harding's sincerity in this matter. Cr Sheridan : You have made a roflootion on me. I havo not discussed this question with any of the councillors. Cr Miller : Now you seo what wo have had to put up with for four years. Is it nny wonder that I am getting groyhoadod ? Cr Lysnar : I am prepared to forfeit £5 | to the Hospital if what I state is- not I i correct. I •

Cr Bright: This is not a betting saloon. The Mayor: It is no gambling plooo. Amidst considerable interruptions 1 OrLysnar renewed his challenge to Or Harding, and from the'reports' contended that j the reticulation adopted by'the Council ! was that contained in Mr Reynolds' I soheme. He pointed out that Mr Hay’s I

soheme would not provido the same pressure in the suburbs as in the town, and in many other respeets it was not equal to Mr Reynolds’ scheme, either on the grounds of efficiency nr eeonomy. He (Cr Lysnar) had done his duty. Ho. had pointed these things out and the Councillors would be answerable to the ratepayers for the way in which thoy voted. Cr Harding : What absurdity for you to stand up and talk such rot. Cr Lysnar : You say that it is rot. Take j up my challenge and prove it. Cr Harding: I will see you outside.

Cr Whinray seconded the amendment, urging that in regard to pressure reticulation and in many other respeets Reynolds’ soheme was to be preferred to any other. They were under a great debt of gratitude . to Mr Reynolds for what he had done towards saving them from Waihirere. Mr Lysnar and himself had been prominent I in getting Mr Reynolds, who cams to Gis- I borne at the instigation of the Rate- I payers’ Association. I

Cr Harding: You wore not the only one who paid for him, but you seem to take all the oredit.

Cr Whinray: It was at the instigation .of Cr Lysnar and myself. Mr Beyonlds is under a cloud because he was brought hero by the Ratepapers’ Association. We demonstrated by the public vote that we were right. Cr Harding: You went round from house to house for subscriptions. Cr Sheridan : They carried Waihirere once.

The Mayor : Order, gentlemen, order ; you must stop this everlasting chatter at one another across the table and let Mr Whinray speak. Cr Harding: You did nothing. Cr Whinray : Alright, say it if you like, that I did nothing, and say if you like that I B,m a cypher, a nonentity. Or Harding: You are always talking to the public.

Or Whinray: This question before the Council to-night has been a long and hotly debated ono.

Cr Harding : Yes, and according to Lysnar and yourself thero are only two men on the Council who speak the truth. The passage-at arms between Crs Whinray and Harding was finally brought to a close, and Cr Colley rose te speak. The latter stated that in his opinion sufficient detailed information in regard to the rival schemes bad not been furnished to the Council. There was the item beadworks £4OO, but it was not stated what it was proposed' to do. Before they bound themselves they should know something more than this. There was the item of £6OO for a track to the heaiworka, the olass of pipes, and many other matters upon which they required detailed information before binding the Council. Cr Sheridan : There are certain standard weights. Cr Colley: It seems to mo that the Council are going headlong into a thing that they: do not know anything about. They do not know what they are going to receive. . /

Cr Bright complained that it was unfair I for one councillor to monopolise the whole I time of the meeting. Or Lysnar: I thought you had gone I away. You have been away part of the j time. You do not know what has hap- j pened. ''l Cr Bright : We 3hall get on much I quieter if you leave us alone. You have I wasted a great deal of time with the array | of figures you have presented us with. We I are only asking for Mr Hay to supply us I with information which we require. I Cr Sheridan was of the same opinion as 1 Cr Bright. All the Council asked was for Mr Hay to state what the scheme conld I be carried out at. They were not com- j pelted to appoint Mr Hay. I The Mayor in his reply denied that Mr I Reynolds bad discussed Te Arai scheme I which was first reported on by Mr Hay. I They ought to give Mr Reynolds every I oredit for writing down Waihirere, and he I (the speaker) was not sorry that he had I done so, because they had obtained a better I scheme. I I Cr Bright: And one that is a little more I expensive. 1 The Mayor : It is worth it all. I In oocclusion the Mayor pointed out I that if the amendment were carried it | meant - the appointmont of Mr Reynolds, I whilst the resolution only asked for inform- I ntion. The question of the appointment of I an engineer would come up later on. J The amendment was lost, Crs Lysnar I and Whinray alone voting for it. | An amendment moved by Cr Lysnar I striking out the words “instructed to I carry,” and substituting “ be asked if he I would on these terms,” was also lost, Crs I Whinray, Lysnar and Webb voting for it, I and the remaing councillors against. I The resolution was then put and carried. Or Webb gave notice of tbe following I motion for next meeting :—-‘- That I a qualified and practical engineer be j advertised for in New Zealand and Aus- I tralia, applications to be in by Jane 80th, I 1905 ; the duties of the engineer to in- I elude the supervision and construction of I the whole . waterworks and preparing I working details from time to time.” He . considered that this would cover the whole ground which they had been debating that eveniog. The plana and reports hod been prepared and paid fur, and everything had been done. They had done with both Hay and Reynolds. A great deal of time ] bad been wasted that evening. If the Council was satisfied that they had money enough they should seek some reliable man to carry out the work. Cr Sheridan was of the same opinion as Cr Webb, but thought he was somewhat premature in bringing forward the notice of motion. They should first get all information from Messrs Hay and Reynolds, and then proceod to the appointment of an engineer. Cr Miller thought Cr Webb’s suggestion an excellent one, and the best coarse for tbe Council to adopt. The Council adjourned at 11.5.