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Dominion, Volume 7, Issue 2190, 1 July 1914, Page 8

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PROSPERITY OF THE GOU.NTRY PLEASANT PROSPECT NO-CONFIDEHQE MOTSOM ff10V.59. Mr. E. P. LKK (Oamaru) moved the customary motion "That a respectful. Address jbo presented -to His tho Governor in reply to 13 is K\-cci-lency's Speech.'-' =B.c ewngratiibted tiro l'rimo Minister <nv th" honour conferred upon him by His Majesty, an honour to which no 0110 iii tin; Dominion svafis U>tter entitled. It. was :rtit yinjj io learn from the Speech' that tiio affairs of the Dominion were prospering. Th? exports for tho year hnd rebelled a total valup of 24 millions, mi never before had there beeii'a. tjmo vs'heii such iii:-h prices were being realised for cur staple products. Ho did jiftt ascribe hitl the credit for the ettimte.y's to tho Ministry, but bo sjigEcaated that tho Ministry had a partiterslrii) _ i;ii it in view of their'action iti obtaining c.mtrol of tho shipping of our pftrcfuets,whon for tlm noneo it had boon wrested from tho f cummU!«tj;. r ,by thfr Bttl i''e;k-v----ation of Labour. Kcforrmi; to the strike ha went back in. - tire- ijpejisign of H® Federation of I.airour a$ tho JaipujiirsA Conference of 1913., by which they presumed to take control of all the working; men of tiro country in. iito matter of ordering and insisting upon sympathetic strikes. After this tho Federation wero looking for a. cirance ttf pU'i this programme into effect, and they seized upon a snittdl dis'pifte- between' 1 ft fow shipwrights and, tiio. tJjjifcu Company to bring about, a strike to paralyse tho country's eommorcc. Fortunately the Federation found tfe.t.' the working men of. fjio Dominion 1 had moro senso than; ihey had supposed,, and their strike failed in i;s imnaciiato object. Then the Federation tried ..to tako control of sl.iipp.i3ig,.. and tho Government did its duty in taking control of tho shipping.. In this' Jio w-as siife tho Government had the support of tl.io community. Ho beilevcd that iho settlement of the strike was delayed !>y the actions and speeches of nienibors on the- Opposition side <j.f Whether those meml>ers ba<! tried to stir up strife ho would not sav, but lie maintained that flic .direct fegal'i of their remarks had be£ii to kee,pi up thtj' agitation. Strikes. Wore never of any benefit in tho end to the working man. Our Export Trade. It appeared very probable that a big aid profitable export trade, with Sort!: America would ba developed by tho ser- 1 vices . running between AticMarici and Vancouver and W«ll'ingto.ii ajid §att irancisco. He was' sorry that thft steamers left only fro. w the two northern ports. Ho knew tie Government, had fied to arrange for a steamer te leave from a southern. port, but 'np till the present without success, and the cost of extra freight to tho port of departure was a severs imjigfeijioti on. oxpol-ters of produce from the south. He commended tlie Government for setting up a Biiard AgrWviHttre of skilled men to jogk fiftor the Ssriisiii* tural affairs. JSsver had the EfittTitTy had more liberal bind laws. The Government was the friend of the small holder. In spite- of th? fact that they had increased flonsi'dtfaflly the graduated land tax they Wftj® sliVays 'feeiiig twitted with being friends of we la-rgfe landowner, . but Sttrely. sueh er.rticiaiti camo with a bad .grace from a Government- wljicli had T>r ; e.n in office- fbr 20 years and which I'la'd left tho tax' so low as to be ineffective. Over .one million acres had 'bo.er'£ cut up since, the imposition of. tho extra tax'., and in addition to this. it. had added to' '. tfto revenue of the country .and; so relieved tho less favoured mehi&ers of the immunity from part of their burden of taxation. Cos( of Living. Speaking of the cost ©t : living he ie* fened to tho correlated subject .r,f the Customs tariff.. Thn position in IVew Zealand was 1 that by our protective tariff wo bad festered 'national industries, and immediately if teas proposed that protective duties should be taken off, there 'was an ontcrv from those engaged in those protected industries. No doubt, th.o-gefteral eomnitiJiitx would benefit by the tree, importation ii£ boots and shoes, but what would i:iio labour people in Ciiristeliurrii sav? There the manufacture of Boots and shoes was a great industaj.-* Se ft was with all protected industries.. The question was one to be approached with the greatest caution. The Government liad in a measure relieved tlie stwss of 'the I cost-of living by more liberal pensions legislation, and by piovkiing sti.!.;stautially incjeased tfagos tg pub'ic servants. The •GoveMvnie.nt liatt also made liberal grants, to pnt tlifi yitriotis superannuation funds oii a sound basis. Tho Civil se?vfco. It was said that there was ijisconlcr.t in the l'ublic , Servfce. He. would suggest tliat so far as opponents; to tl'm Government weiv. roiiccsned, .the, wish was father to tile tbc.-ugM. But the fact was that wl'voH the Public Sffiryieo Act was introduced the pfetfo.n'ii of the Opposition was to repeal It. . Now that it liad worked sa'fefaw.orijy lie rr:ii<;rotl to say that iii ireaM be a lodl' time before aiiy Ministry wotiM dare .to repeal an Act which had boon sa Ixmeflcial

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to tii!?. Civil Service and to the RtiMr-e gc-nerstly. ' Tim Art was not perfect, a«ii doviiitloSß it would nfted amortdmoirt from time to time, but s.s it at pfc-sfeivS it gayo members t>f tho Service j*tny ri«i>ts and j)wnl»g<js.*upfi they h«i never Wore enjayua. iMy Jisd now : a right 'ef ttylMi. AVheii ' the Bftl was . before the Wum it was represented that- under jit the Sffifvitfo' wottli smvo '._ mi uit-Hmitcd righi <rf appeal, find tkia right ttov .had. ' It was a dobatalw ijncs* tiiui wjiet&or appellants should liftyc a risht to lie represciited by fjonnsol, or tiy sa-Pie person outside the sci'ti-ce. It was a fact that tho-irfittittistwtlou .«t' tiw. Gemmisswners had eJfccted a saving nl , JE4-7.000. This was the effeet of tho Bill which the OpiJositioa. pr-e-fesed w> repeal if lw itiJ-V clwnce thsj* slioisUl ■ever reach Use Tre*»ry bcnclica. iSoing w th* -CflMtitry* If; Vv-as prtposed tlifs session- to *nako a ciienffis in the mntbod! of flistri-butiflg araftts to loEfl} Lrodicis, altliDugh the-, details of tt.o sebfime wer.-" not yet announced. Whatever ■fyipflgnod, w hojaGci the jjra'gMs'sivo .p-abllc 'terks devel&tHpettt policy wiitiM be- 'foEoWed. ;Ve»r t the OovernjH.ent had to fuse the electors;, ffe- thought-' that on the whole- t-hft oovcrtt.wcnt had s Kood rweoidj tlloy had o.iiactc« good; iftjjJS-k'tion, a.M their kid been'sound and ' careful Kβ tiioflght the pßftple' WofiiM rEcoosKfi that, the 6overojJiept liftd offfctisfory earrld ■ollt tie Dromisfts thrfo bj' .-them whett tfcv took ofllcfl, . The* had toe -gwi TOi-k far. the Poami-ion.* and ho h.a<l little doubt fat'this be Toiffl.pnised by the ooniniutiity ai test election. (Appto.se>) SfiiALL HOLdiNQS. - THE GOVIRNSIEiSiT'S . fOWCt. Sir. 0. B. SlfKßi(MasteiFton). secflitdfid tlie mation, '• H-β; Spoke of tjje ihe.refi.ftiiig prtltfd'tion- of -N.ew sni'tie'passibifitiios of iie\y .inaTkets bollijs .opened' to oar *spofl&...'._ Sprinatiy -WitflfJ not f-qr relii-am , i-U the tltriiidoin of the AsfSfian Sarty, and ff&su enetiScr party assumed controlthere th*'teadstufe'the jifiopfe neitkd tfottld ho : aelMitted ftom Ja:p"tfn also-, hasi ottered a tnsirket . .foy wo.ft-1 since the wit. >vitlv Itusiia-, .ftnd fflso tt.e Weal&te'r ■poiiu'Jatffln'of t.tecefllitfy.wc® CBnSwiMnij fliea;t, Ths.vo 'was. rtfasoa -te faopiz, ift'faqt.,' tlj.at the of IViw ftateti, mcrc'asftd vx-;Pflri-trade,-tfquM Coii.tfci4:9. ■ Ho.spofe of- tKe i.{-6e.d' far', ttis oofrtinued; tion pf a. _\ k i'gpr:fl ; ii's p-ijiiiie'-werk'S poli%, ■ tspeo)ali-v in the pu.s-li-ing aheafl of roadmafeliVp; in'tlw la-Se.lj'-SeWsd. » ; r«as> Sii-ch ae-tfee Kiiift Oijuii'tf.Vj aacl li) Mμ- more; rapifl .consfcritrtroi) -til' Sut. ralkv-aj- 'Jiiics.: So' f*r as his twu tlisfrict was eon* C'wncdV. tfe- fljiiol.iiec;d-, was %e (levin.ti<i» .of tlje Rfld frojn the Jiiount-aiij r'out^.

to- one of other ot t-ie more pr-atiticadno taw route. _ lie would be .Try jinlilicfl to hear i& flic Public Works Stnte- ■■■ mont that a survey cf one of iho alternative routes hat? ' bc&ii aiitlwriscel. Thaw was need, also, for a branch from the mam railway lino to servo the East Coast district- of which Tongama was the. Centre. IJftij, if c!?.n£:tructi>d, would make: possible a groat- development _of the. pastoral' and .s®.fj\iftg ji'jclitstfies in that- locality. Hp- -was glad to SSM3 that after tho Industrial strife <if last year the emplovers of labour 01; tiut waterfront in Wellington were prepared ta deal genorteusiy by the mon. 'Bio price offered for labour cn tlic wharves tfas liijjh, but vet conditions wero by !io ir.enr.s Rood for tlje men.. Too many workers wot®- .kept oh the wharves, and ite result was that iwii- , viduals diiPiiot got a living wage. He bopetl thai no? . a smaller number of I>rr:r.a:ien(. men would get a tivijlf? Wage. Sir Joseph Ward' had said ho could sett in tho strike ift fcti'Q- days. ; (Langhlor, a;td hear, hoar!) But wlien the ('iovor-ii'sient tamo into office tlio Waihi strikd was dragging its wesry length ii-long. Why didn't ho settle that strifes? Sir Joseph Ward: I was not. in potter then. . Mr. Sykca went on to say that in New Smith Wales strike-' were occ-ur-inp almost weekly and Labour i'remier Hblnian was at his wit's end to know bow to deal with them, Doubtless Mr, Holmnn would be very, glad to tiii-ve r rooipe" from tire honourable gentleman ipr ibe settlement of strikes. ' ■As a believer in small holdings be would' support an increase hit-be gra.dtt, ■Sted .land tax, LEADER OF THE OPPGSItiQtS. XOCONJ IDf'NCF MOTION. _ tSIIt JOSEPH. WAHD (Leader of --the Opposition) said at tho outset that bo proposed to ..move an amendment -i<i add to the Speech tho following: "Thai '•bis jfou.se has no confidence in the Government—(laughter)—on tho ground that its policy .awl administratism axe ltot in tho interests of tho masses' of tlio (K'oplo of " the miijfay." Ho spoke first of the increased, oxpeiidfteo of the Government—sßs,o(lo in two years, C7i 1,000 ii! tho first year, and £7-14,000 in tho iecond .year." Mi'.,, Lee:. Wages. Sir Joseph Ward .maintained that all ft(j inei-ea'sfj, tvas not wages. Tho increase was., he Sit.i.d : j a. staggerer—enow-gli to jpd'k.o the people of tins Wo-iiritry wojirtar where it was going to lend to if ft went o:i for another year. .It' was mer«* nonsense for the member for Mastfft&o to speak of possible increase ift graduated land tax when be an-t behind a- Minister who- bad stated publicly a few days previouslv at KVtilißß'ta that.an increase of the arwluated load tax was not proposed. Hp wi- her! to 'refer for a' moment -to what Ivnl been said about obstruction in the Hottscs Tie wished to say that mi tho memorable occasion on which iii.e Onp&sitiojt invgwlcd the passage of a- Bill tiier were fliMing for % freedom of ibe people, and they would do if ajjaii; aiid again. Tiie.v were iightiitg iw iiibjoritv rude and clean clectioiif, (Ironical hnisiitcr.) ■ "The Local Navy." • As » first reason why the House should not .have confidence in ihn Govorur.iei!:- ho would suggest the fact that the Government had abandoned the s.vs. t<;-m of direct subsidy to the liritish Wavy, and consmiited the c«nn!ry to a local navy. Tile attitude of ' the Government on this subject had been vflciUjiiiug n»d uncertain, a degree. ! The Act v.iwier which the Iscal navy was beii.'K Set.Tip was almost a complete co.p.v of. tl:c< Act under wliieh the Australian. na.vv was coftstiiut.ed. Tlio lliiustfr of l)e.f< ncc had had an interview with the Defence Minister of the Commonwealth when he wag on Ins way to Englari!!. Why had ho 'not to'Kl tl.ie . people tliq effect of • that interview ? ]I! wan so it wotiltj show that h$ was seeking to arrange cooperation with Austrrtiia .fo.i 1 w-jisxt. he :«al!.ad. "iho. tec'ion. of British interest.-; in the Pacific." The. people had a right to hear about that in<>rv!ew. and also about th« iui u: viev. s Mr. A Hen .had had with the Admiralty. It was nonsense, bo said, to talk oi' defence of the Pacific—witii one Bii.stol emit*?, Mr. Mosscy: Dori't wlk nonaense. Sir Josßph Ward said that if there were to he mnre. than oii6 cruiser th® ccniijtry should bear of it. The i'nnie Minister Jiad said in an official document, before this Tlottso that a Bristol cruiser would be obtained before this | sb'ssroii.. 'I he (.'time Minister read ihc d«eu-llV-tlt. Tlic Nixt Move. : Sir : Ward', eati.tinuing his- ■ .-pt.irt.lt after i'Sic supper adji-'-inninciit, tjiwtdrl JfTOtn tli.t! wmted staicmeni or naval defel'tee laid upon the tabic by tho Prime Slini-s-tnr session. In ■partferfar he attpnlHii tfl t-ho statement that- if no satisfactory a;-

raHgoftojit were made before p>st *ds■sif>n IMrlroßje-iit would tic asted to saiictkm tliis «»letr«etioi|i «t »t lirktai cMiiiw at a enst Of abort £ABO,OOO. In tltj?Governor's; %»eeclj this was a'H ahafJooned, mi Iff'e life-uf, ihov* was to Iμ a de-ieuco eenfeireßco m .Kiiglaiii next year. If this Wfls «p, why \\-as a jmyal atlvwoT (tjjpointcd ?' Wh* ivjis -the IWoaiol iMWiglrt. hero if the vf-haie waiter w,l.s te ho. ({oferi-eil i-ijvl'i). l'.fixt year? it was said thai tile scheiiio »-as to be'a lass GXppiisvJe *dwnio fclistft lie lad profioseel, tet tte fact wiis that hfi'fora long the e-X'i?e-Hdit-u«} u.ndt'.r it wcwtd bo tv tuillton ami a i.mlf a year. Powell tWtiim T : hs Prime Jjiwistor had' sakl hefo'ro last -elfeet-ioft' thsvt Lie- was i-ti fat;oui? -of iUi slerttee %per Biiust?, but what wej'O tlie facts? The fiovcrtrnwflfc liffsj appoititad eight atfeij%, artd- p.ro.. jtesed-.tift appoint twajve nvoritw-8 nioyo to lHriiig tile total \\p to 40, Naw a-n----oti.ier potflfeimis proposal was .tirade to the iiiaJdife of tile' ConjKSrl frleetivo .until nost'6e«eval SfeetJftnSttpposo the y!.3eral3 sve'ro ' put infe 5fl«;or «;t jtest ■" Mr. tyi'lwis Ko elianee!' Sir Jo.s6p3i Ward; .Dotft you be toe sure. SupM-sru-gi Ijo .oontinned,' aa -iit-■e-re-a-sc ih tlio lattd iim vm pwposed by Hi© liberal Xiotr/nrmmh the CWmtiil h-bS to-Jib made, eleb'tvve. in 101|, p 3 jii.tFj© fneaafi-tnß.'rt ,was to fe stuft-Bd ' ftomineeß. ffe iaberajs, if retufne.d te nowor, ivwis- going to he paralysed' by tto Counft.ll.' A '-Goverflmeut reiuthe,d to power %> a wiftprfty vato of a-iid' U.va m-wority of .represeii'ta-tfees m the Hoifse, vrwo goiftg fe be Mspenstbie for Wio- ap.gojntmflftts of twenty MiehvWre to tho , l,e.*-i-s* ktivfe Coiincif. fehiinj it all was it ijeSJgti to proven* ihfr I<!»{>'lg .of this co.ujitry.ffoia and |tn, ; iii.orea*e Mi- tto feraduated Is.ud tas. This, p'roved tliat flip friends' of •wero the largfe -lai!i}K):»ynq!.s. Mr. Staeseyj An! your friends' arc tho breivers, ■'•■■'.

Sir. Joseph Wart said- tfcit - Jrfs. ■frieiids w(?«>. n«t the brokers, And "ho liaxl .jiftpaf had ifl.ny f?a:rfty fifliefe irom tho bpe^egs , daring the "time that 'howas Prime Minister. Agg-regatiftti was Boiiig en a-lt over tko . afr. Slassey.: Bot a 'hffi 01 ft.- '

Sir fetfk %*d declared -flisit iii.e tTioiiglji of wliivt nugM hapjieii wider a coiii'i'fti.iqd. rfl-Io- of this ©ovetttiieiifc was eiioMgb 'la iiiako pebjifo tretiiite,' ' State: AdwsinccSi ■Bα clqiihi-d ttat when Me was in oh' lea much too.fo VfaiT .advajieecT te settos than had' been advisnped ?i,n : Be taMu the Lending Det.Ja-ftfh.b.pts,. Wiieri two ;c;attjo jitt-o pow'er tliey had orer '£ fM,te)ft rf eissh kx tiro State Lending Pfepaftmejrt. ft«4' , '£4,?Wtflß& ef iiMoyiiahetcd Mtetttesy £3,flOft,:C!(jo of foj- thij-:g{& Advances JJtfpartmeAfc. In ih.e :fa.oe'oi' thesp facts tho fast yfiair tiip CJisvcrnrmiiifc frere ift offite the settlers Weriv Served,.Qti)V £M6\OoO.having -Veen iidWn:e.ed : \fc> tJifetn. TII6 iaet'ivair tjicit 7 1 w fegislfitipn now pii: till) fcirttfte' BpftJv fiijd;-bteii put tti<OT bj the. tihorirl 'GovqrfeiMmt* 'ivmJ, |te Ijotis«raWft gpijileman, mi Ms. fecrtfls : lisa caftsistevitly «spi«>sod »f6ut of iJie, fifeie teßdtas''Dsepirt.PMijifcs, :,■,.:• ".»"■ .; Sly. .Sfosijeyt Piat i§ jitiit trua. • Sir. JosejiH .YVart! .anpca'kiJ.'f.Q Mr.'Speabef, ■.tliii/b JtijQ fjiime' ■Jlfn-'; isters WjijiSrJs vras iii!pa;r:]io.meM.tery. | Mr. SpSriifM? dteeefei tliafc flu>: f e - i iftftrk,MgJrt. fo hpw|tSdta ; M% mi ■■ -\ Mr. Ifimsey-sal4 tlia> Jta wfft- : ™»' t»« reiivafk,. fe. jj-autd sayHiat iiie sffltemortt svss .alisbhitelr etotrary to fcftt. Ho atfdßdlatiGr iilis* all fcftis-. liitioii to vi=hich Sii- Josofli *Wa*cl had: speomiiy roterred had bmi ciiapted te .»L!c(. 3to. «!\%cd , Pitrjknidjifc ■•■-■.•■ Sir' ■ ■ ,: Wa«F ;( ftOiifetsied ' tflli' »1J fflrormmis aijlioiviit of iftrrWiijir" ted been: foreottsted this yto. . .H<v kuow-.tbrii Ipfljil tettlte to law tliat< tftoy gM-ihenej, t.ho proseiit ■Ss.vcDiimwil ' to , wcoi mmf obtigntiax®. 'Hie acivft^d..tlio uovemmwve of vacijliitijig in ife .policy m m> ncßdjJiti® fesponjsajtfitj. 0 (i #o Biole-mrSelifiofe flue^tfgft; , ,th* tiecmsiiii lav.% nud iiiß (Jamttiiii; $%: Sk Wanled tt sgy tfctt Iβ Itfeld.. t|ia f«f s ■rieivs with fe flio BjbWSaobls a ; s he ■#?! .in. K>os>, JJo Was ti?t itfmid t& his vft»S ami 4 o H sttaigW jssw«, Ho I>h(} -{ihe gre.iitoSJ respect |6? thft TOferafe caiwifttianVflj' mi' peoi>]o iu this counittj nad lie Bind,, as- lie, had ■ s'aitj Wfeire. ! tjiat''ilo iftajovity of tfeiff ceoa-H- fe# a righi to, ceHtrQl the. xi&iivjotKiivS; .(wllfife rjpligi&n ■ OT. cpiiSEfcjico. 'ivere efliicoftied) :Sf tJi:(3 ■ smallest see* ia'tlris eoiintry. ■ H* be-:. KovpS i» tltf ttlijiotfs editestioa of lite, j'otftli of iits Be lvmiht v<jtQ pefsowafly tq support wljat pas Ifujiwn. ' as fh N*feo». 'sjsteiii-. witil ..A |o,M-; sbienco ■•cle/iiec for , toaplifers..' ■Hα Iriid npvor .)ii:itdc. iisc- g.l iaetiier 'ntan'-s rfejigifiils cotitfctkivs ift aydgr to @til *si?cnd?!rt*y'i)> fta-rlfoiWstfti. " ''■ McujWs; Sit Jas?p!l .Watil , ; :[ am liot afcq'USjnc;'. anybody. ' 1 am spoalving of . jfeugljtor.) iii c<i;i?!:usip.n, fe. sa«l fefc : the : Spvsr(ijivqi.t; Imd fail-oil iu thoit ile>: tlaratierts to ' ias : a:tjDn« foifatro ■ CxpilidittfrJjj -aiid redwc Thfly had fa'iled; td living,' ctiid to t>mrii6 jnßiiiaiiGe iigafflsi swrknesg u.Bew.pJojaHdat-, ' Tlrej--ljad; nfso-. faited , .ft other -^ptcscritSi'tiei)!! , '^hej , lid! Ma-&> t<j i;te ■ ■ ■TfiO SPEAjKEK, »ad the iiMtdrrtenk; ■'TIW-t tin's Bejisp lias .ncj cojijidciice iji ■ t-lie GovGi-auiftiifi,' Oi) ■ivd .growi.ds"tliafc ■its poMey aiic! a.dmimsiirftfif).n. jir.e- , li.at to dto intwests of.tha of peopie of the country." .'"' \ Wm ■ JAS. AI.EES ffiTS ; OUT ; '. 'Tli&vSon. wa? o*]VlmiJ<?d tie '..ro'sft fe v 'Vcplj: CM behalf of ■ the Governinpnti He 'jsajd that hi con.-! gtttttlated 'Sir .Josffjih fe*d 'upon 'ilia vigciUf o! , Ms spccciij'. .although'' to dooid noi .SBngrs-talate -.femi 'Bpan life j maferiaV. Tli.o, Aeadqi , pt thß, : Op'pQs!, j tiort kid ifioi'ed aij ajiipjidnitint o'£ .ijn | ctrftfeliiiSM; }fl the : QoV.c:rnmeiit,. aiid the] pareit % accept .cpnctos|oij.s: _ .»f tliat: ■Bftdi tte fc.TSQMs. .gfcert. ■£>.}• Sit Jttiepli WartJ fti support of his. wetien lywp britily thai. tlw.. ■.Gp'raJ-iJWcii.t wfts.. axj;t ooncJuetiiTg tea.n<3e feßscesßfoill}: .t that the, ted . .%o«ijfct in, a 'na.val- poiKcy ■ w/vicii ' :hfe ; not itt ftvoiir of : appiiscntb'. thjt ■tho. (s:<)v«.iHh.e.Sit -jVOre not .adw'ftistprfng t}i4. State. iSulvjiftdes.satistaet(asy, thai it had w&t i]oalt, .ft#h, t!h& Legssksivo Oq'iji : jcfl.,.*ji]d Mva:t.it liitd not jet'fuffitosJ seiflcrf te i>i«fes gi«<*ir te thD..el.c(it.fift. Sir:Jo:sej) : h' WnrdJiad aecitsfid tlio. : G'or<i;ni.mi}i't\fl : f *"*tit -of: eqiu-pgo. lip.. Was- .ivpt. gg?)ig. in .seGiis.o ■the ivrtflt of _eoOTO:g<!, ■ but lie hoped.' fefoW.Hc.strt;iefewm,, .'id -prorc W-n-i afi. .adopt fil viial.l|j.i3Qii... Sir' Joseph Wiii'd , lv!«( ffccftsod % GtoreWmcnii al'.'jyant 01. .oou.fngo ■ beeaitse : ii: had rat taougW him is moy-stuts a Jsftle-iw. Sfihool* K.ci'ei'csndum Bill Siicl a litecustog fil ; J|. Tfe Gerefiimcjv'fc liatl , gn'eu fJie- House sit iSpportWMty ■!?■£ ete.nlijig 'wtth tlirtso <i«¥ist»ii& WJwo vvtis tlift li-iuifi ftf: Seiiip wcii»!)n,i*:of tlieSoTornUJeiHl(3iS,l>e{jftMl(fd.Mcll ; o.f t\mb qftoStions) WMX> .plcjgi'fj oils 'iy : 4-jf and vierrio atiotlto! , . .As to tWvilTjplittiniflg thoro : were iijlrflqiiciy' jag\veV^.. in the Mojj pf i>h:is *ciuiij>tTf, fait tiiij.iidij, ; .steirttoiiisn \siicfi i-rt'-(tfe mad*; itn tft' 'foH t© adwuifetfiv tlMSe.jftrWmis.. jfe. ! members iVoteM adnrit t1i.,'1.1- ii.tf.ivrjii.iic.e. ii-gainst sioiiijnss ahd iilieieiilbjinehi iva's it hirgo qiiKtiau, and-tliai a «j*iit Co.hW , i.io! 'be Wpiicted tft :*iittj! ttio ivhfllc af its policy info effect si a)io.ih ' In .outer, .(tat iftsUKttce afiiffet siefcvies* and wiewijiayMieni iiiiglit s'B.d6aft';

frith offtX'tn-eh e certain defey was .Jus-' tiiifilafc, The i/bartor fl.f % Opposition bad bfrt'H ■t*.ve.nt : 3'< , one jFfcars iii .ftibefej' andxAmt Jiatl to clflflG abdiit sfrknsss eil.cH ■' .ittvuftiplpyiTicM'tS ' . Mr. JtjiSscfl: You 'tfspefit t : ii<} niiii.entttifpi J.U 8t ,yeai*s> Mr, Men": l\rattv*oJft6 yfcitffi is a yftty ioiig tiiiip. It is iscveti tunes tlmjo years, ' .■■'•'■''■ 5:li", Iliisseth You pledged yourselves. t© d£> it, silf. AMou: V<js, iiiicl. wo ate. griiiig to do it. fife JoMili Word hflfi : aMMsed Mm of tjinj> the iigitfes a! the ■ swtjiu.s'cs .':ijlai'ni-e4 % Uio CoijtinuWS '■ Miiiis-fery wpro iiuM-isttrcrtS' BWhnd iW* , : said tlint tljijy wtftß fhttejaji-atk, -but hs had said that they Wfl.*? misleading. ■ Wie£ ivottt irtisteaifog, and *l.ie iEfigli&h ■ public knfiy It, They -«oto nl.islca'iiiiig fov ono iliiirg ■befiaiisfe tlie-j , . inciludta , ■p.i'oceecU frojii Cioftn.' janiS sSies. i OiJxiqsitiptfistS: WliJ' (lq ):ou u*n them? . ■ ' . Mr. .Altai sail that Jlc haft .'met teed fhcfii, .Hoctcijs ftoijii land- safe wViartj: ■lift Jojrg<?r iiicludoil ih tlra rcren.ui>. si: tho cflfflrf'fy,. .■■'.'■. Wβ ■■Wglttettee CbUnciL : .' '. 4? te *S! LBgisisfee <3fltimsjff-~s>s.. : MjftisfcOf said th.at thfc ea^ttmcnt.Hvtfs: compelled t<) appeiilt mov fiicmbers ij> : , that- 1)0% .tecaiiSo its fegislfttttiu. ;ha(} : ■feen -thtfowa ent tjy inemlj.ers. sappjiliiifod , . , by ' ESJcVjb-Ub ©Overflifteiits. ...Lasib "y&jt. ftp IJovsij had gassed a OT: ted'afciiig *o torti of a,pi)oijife(?»B to ,%lm -giiirpgiT i frgjij. seven years to tlifce,; but theffiil.: ms ttrowri , ant % tfo OjtusoM, Jfb-; oft.er 'CoUrjSo wtts nqxy; opdii/tb the ,0.0 V ,.. ; orititiffjsfc thart that i whtch"id) Was :feiioEi^": ■ fug*' & djd jjefe jpßJfKjSft.. % '■■&§&■&s% ■ fto.asserti.oii, tliaii the (Sp'fi&Mririo.nj; diet. ; jtpt ! ■ They ivftfo fh:e!:fc-su;.p : p<ffltfi(l % ■a.-JjnjjK., . joriii- of the ■ftembefe. eleSted.. hj? .tlw ■ . .pefcplfe. , ' They hii 'hesit t*a |ea*j' j'n ; affifje, .?i)ij hojped\i;h% !)alttfry..tQ rb- , main .tteUt foj; q- Icing tiiiw ■ «ba.!len:gea-thfi- Wove, that.: any. ih:o,' ; fenfl'' by tliS':pV(iseii| :■ • ■■.■■.,■".. ' ■ ■■" '■~: '~', ■'■'•'■ ■■

' ii wa% jtfm.Oj Miiflfetprfeniark. ftat :Sw" Jpsejft' "Wiarf" lelt '-* ,bf £SQ7ip'o!-i 'iii tho ?u«d wheu >h-e Mi;,-nKeo, hut-''lie: ; had tried fe jfnprke: : pe<!p> bejiiJVß thai-.tiiS, jptpsflivt , Sowrnnieiit iitireijteft, $&PJM- -TtllSil lit topk -tfffijia. ca% Wanca hat! Ifeeii ..sedSiped te -#?fe;Ci(jft by.tfife.'iiiiio Ih;e preSert Crbyfeiiiairteiife' ■ckft.e -fete -b'fßec. ■ ■ - : - .C — '.'

Sir J. Ward You can't- deny tlwi vou had it million. and s half at the eß'l of '■ the. year. ■ , Sir. ■ Allen said. that lie 'denied:it. ab-l-Sohjiefy;. Answering further :4ri;ter.jcs- - ho. denied. havitj« said that there «s a cash balance. Hp had said that '■ there. was a. balance, which was a totally different thing 1 ; The leader of the Ojijyisiuon, Air. Alien continued, was now asking Parliament and the country to put him back intn ofike to make- as bad mistakes as lie irta.de: when ;he was in ■ office, The (Wvornment had restored tho finances of the .State Guaranteed Office, ■ winch when lie (.Mr. Allen.) took them over were as rotten as they could be. ' Muddled Accounts, Ho _.had not. hithsrfo gon : e back .to . t])S time when tii.o honourable i*ent]eiiiart Mi office. (Mr; • All?rt> : wiroo into office lie found thq Advances Office so' kept and so ¥dmimstete'(i that' it was impossible to ' find out ■ how illat-s 6toOri. ' It; was ■ 0111 y a'ttjey: 'lib eain"_ into office that methods- of bookkeeping were so altered that the exact, pasition could be shown- each liionth. ' Sir .T. Ward : I never kept tlie books. Jiff. Allen: How could lie administer this. Department if he did not. know what ho. was. Join E? . Sir J. V aid: Oil, I knew what I was doim;.' , . Mr. Alien said that, if .tbo honourable gentleman- could sit-'there- and. not bo ashamed of over the atat« in which lie. thn .a.c--, eotiiits, lie ihhdrivo BhariTe -iii liis tuw. 0)i March 31 * 1912, the io.fat coniir.iriKenf.s hi the Advances to Workers' branch were- ; £i)37.R2;!.': and tfe .total funds -avjv,t]iijaji?rfot" advances were £-121o.! He was not sioiiu? into details as to the way in which Mr. Myers wn-j able to strengthen his position when. he. raised, his loan. '. A Duty Neglected'. . He would aijaiii ask the Leader of-the. Opposition wliv lu? did not, raise a. tenverir loan, as ho had an opportunity fcf doing on a hms; Wav better terms than his colleague. Mr. Myers, 'subsequently raided H afe Wily did hiKjibfi sti'eiijrtheii advances to■ workers, local ■ authorities-,. -and .settlers when he had the chance to rai?e a. loan? ■■■•■ ' -'v

*'Tihß tfem OsritlamW.Furikis^iiJi ,, ■ . Sri- vfDsfep:h , Ji 5 ..- Q n i ; ffcisjrd.",■■•' '". .'*' ■;; '; ■.-"■"■ '?':. ilft Jcltar-I- }vii«)iv : 'v%t is/ib!;i, ! Te.cor&: ; Ijm hftjiourrfble vgabtleiHiWi ftiiSketi^.ili ' He csjuf ivftfed;jtJtet.g}: nojr; ■mod: to shelter. ■ . tlvdt to dw «o4 kiisw. tikid, -iljQ\stiite.: - <if' partjfiii ,-wa.s , ,:to be, -hija/iie'iveW-■l-OXO -d-id :rivifeeie' k)a»,, : a:-feci,'i bo Was raising %H tfe gViiji; ■ Stii' , ' .faised m g;i;tt.?v;d|ed:;#ieuritit|' ' ; ii'nd gyt jvijQJilie:); .iiiUwiU 'Jjr ; Loiiiloiii': ■ 'Bme iijtsiivlni-onfeef ipßiv|,*ei)t ; on "i'iifl'.i ■'■A' ivas- lfo.ii:s<iliso tbr: gir, '.W^''! ■ to say\th.a* to 4itt.-jicii jcnovffhMitei; co.il.d-ition-. of. ■part-ife:',, wn'S gpiirg. ..ta.'.'be; j ■ If aid Ire Se'e'ii ? pii^ptdesirpi}s ; 'o i f''sei:!S- : i!>» 4is ttiujftry-s instead, Jof, . Ms pirtfi '{tna his .orifr, Jie- wotittifcaspi; gfl.no to /tlie , iUaj-i wiioift lie:' 'yiofeii-t;, iiifglA s.ueceed Ij-iui, a,i>i sai;l> .' jfr'juhti pflsitijijk iS.li.BtP :Kds&: : t'liiß-Ipa-ii o;i' :, ii9t'? ,, J.-d'on't TqiqW -.viihgtlmr' .jfbit wre.co.mwg' jii fit wi% ty&. % .ii : ' essqiitjal tiiat tiliiis,. 'teiv B{i<)uiri'.. lie c \ rnised.' 5 ' \h\ iViiiuj'said *ba:(i'h%sy' itvisetl with '%.: J|y:ejS"!En.;t)w\lHsr:ribl«j : in wiijcji Ife, ■thfe -neck .to-. the-libirdpn "fiftanfiici-ss , sii.d-: fftreted. to faiEca'lßiir loa'fti Hg WSs sfeckjxl ■tp''.-Jvii*e"!i^-.siy.' that aijviiitass to ; tte cpaditfoii iii"ii;hi?.ii:.Sir Jipsfept ifcf.t-.tlieMi. ' • ' ■ '■.:' •' " '■■•'.,.■.: ■ ■

Sir. Pa\:6f:/Mp Mites* e<ffefji<i<i.:ScV. ! fceWits?-. ■■■'.■'.'.'( '■ '■■ "' ■■"'' ■ ife Ato said fiiitfte wiis : ?!:<>adijHS; froHi jiwaiiijts speGjaJly s'VigiiiisjS ftrsKp ;,: ■ Jay pa the^tjvbte.'-^fuj.■■^'t^l-^BBjninji.ii , ; Jnerife Jβ M)frSettiflr« s ,^iidv Sisrcfi. SI, 1S& Vfierft :iiJ3L : s%fiSa/ %liilffOfuuds-Sft ; - tod .\,■■:.;■ f-\. . ■. ' ; Sir JpstiA ■MPaßfe. -Willi. $- ; ifaffsftixrin% *ie-'■#s?!£s&. ttfty ;p?pi:t'ipu',pf : -; ' 'air.- ■ Alleft■■ srfct■ '.fiiy-e. Jliiy; : iipnoupjjfc M'.to -jyn-ntKf;.-] ?j.byt'i.t ttitt ' .\pfc regard,/i«: fettnf afl-t;ii(3witiifs<;iyl|cji ;C!w, .hpttottwljle-. , ■KMltlfeTiiaft te(fc«ffictv-Mip ; .tflt3il yqnuflfe lia.lii.lfti.es wjsiig .-ii.g^l-jS.IQ.,«- • „ : ' Gppflsitaffltisis-i'J'ttr.'iaw yews, '%: : : ~Mt'4lions Ereivtf H tict&MvSQiiil&i: ■ yftars, .-wjia| "pro.-viisifjii : &i .: ■ ltees anil o!E;:*S2l:>as, : ■iSfr. aiaePoinatti- Wh<»U- fe-lip riJa«cl ; ? :, ,: . ' Ik. ,*i!siK 3s« "'great teflb■■&!■■ ttei"-: ; ijjfi'isig'ttiali : h . <?i jijitiii SrtA'Tipeft pnisl %'wvi ..ilii. '■■ ; J(ifiS tteii tec! .ysifts ion i^fiiripjj.-.ai,.'. , 11)1$, xvltpti \lilib. TVWisej# hmn iii Otfinj tfa& aii ainouttt ;£lj;?Q9ss3:,-' to tnlfiiK &-T\Jarc]i;:3li::iar2ii ?vten.SmJai«pb Ward left; -pfflce v ; iUei-*J\ .' worn. liafeUitiißS , ; anfl cpW^ilmgitfe^il^Juj; , three- Drjpautwojjts (TkicdJ ■Sctttei:«. ; a«l Wbrkars) ■ tm^Tli.ftcc ■ . ■.■"- ■■ '■ . ■ : Ur. .ifesßeaiikl: JiwWiiig ili? Qtira' funnel? :: . ■ ;..-.. Jljr. iVlleft;- Jfnv oiilS,.Sfcitfe- savaiJcfe?..; A)t& lio'lv, mjielv <Vi.d' Mi.ti lio-n.. geniieiij'Jfi)(' ; Wnvg lijs, to jnfcet flieejv^ijlii^^ ■ to ineel, t-licjii ;ih' ftK wfc>ie>.%:c6 E)e:pa-r.ti'iJii.cjit;Si. ' ' '■ ' ' r ': • " -B6tb.i"a Election. Day., -r , - ..; ■ Mttit itlie .a'dvaiisc? '&'■s£■

made before lr.st General Elccfion took place. He (Mr.. Alien) couid find. no'• ■record of ; iiiis...- tie-had lound: a,. : re,- .. c.o.ri}, however, which showed that ihev ' lumcurable gentleman;. in his term of . i oflire.. had so inaiadiivinbtored the ollico ' ' duwng.. election ■ .^gakin^lrsid'Asquaiidcriid*:i' ■ public jiiciney, doled il out whoiesalo. .' to bribe t.hi> electois, that he actually . fojijiH himself, before .'election day, 1 on October 24, 1911, lie, the paragon of virtue ii.i t,he mat'tor of advances to Bpst'ler's., had .to cut- the advances down to £«0(i0 fot country freeholds . and £.11)00 tor town freeholds. Unfpri.un.iifelj:, the office was left so .weak that ■; when his nicces'sor, slr. Myers, caimv in. Mr.. .Myers had to reduce tho • advances to £5(0. This was the posi- ■ tfpfl: the present .Government found. . whoti thev came into office—tho advances lo local bodies were cut dotvn to ■£30®., and the office' was without funds to l.noefc fjo'rtimitments. It" -was 'perfect*;, ly true that Mr. Myers had raised a liiJ'HO amount to. put is-■ What was tlie position of the' Advances . Office topdayP , The-honourable gentletuiui said the Government bad not sidSl. Jiiinistor.ed. the. funds fairlV. -. a 'l t.or.V well to say that a Government coulci mi on squandering: money iiictefin-.r. out tlm aftermath must' come:. the aftermath, and he (Mr. Allen) had to take.-tiift other half. Nowliewas l . ■ glad to say that ttfe Advances Depart- , ment was tha?i it. ever had been ■'% befoj,o in the history of tho. country. The. limits had gradually been ;. raised, until there was now- no limit to the'ad-' vances to local, bodies except those im- - fxised bv law. ' ■ . , Mr. Wilfords Are tliey getting the : - money ? Mr Allen: Yet,; they are getting tho - monoy in large amounts; Ho went on to 'say that he did not mean that anyom> who chose to apnly • for' money could get anvthing ] m wanted. So with the advances to settlers. Fiom lie)iija: a. maximum of £500. it had.been - > nisod until now onlv the statutoiy limit \ias imposed. The Government ' "f which the. honourable .gentleman was f : ' !Par J had passed, a. resolution .that 'no . i - settlers .could get an advance I lease a" mortgage falling duo. To-day,' '■< tliB; Advance,s. o,fßc<Siv :---.in&tcadwo'f ■ ' hopolcsslv .bankrupt, had a surplus of " • £1,674.00.0..<- ' Mr l?usscll: Lying unused? Allen said that' the nioiicr tm . not lying unused, but was temporarily t- '"vested, .and.' was bearing interest. ; ; f1.6.3-i,O/)0 w-oR ilie credit'.available l-i- ' •; <fc-v.".on the advances ■ "■ftcfin ■: did not take f,' iiuthority.' He saved .£OTl.or C10..W '. oh the rifles lie purchased. for'-Xpw Zealand "xPiien in Canada, Again&t £.l..fi.Ti,ooa credits on the. advances i 6 • i' settlors were' commitments • of. only ' ■ £56».2"1, Take advances to local aii- !■ 1 thorifios. The lion, member left rhm-mitn-ionis_amonntin",'to f.BS],Wo. Now ■'. the position wii's that' the credits amccmited to £6P«.000. and the dchifs to.. ' ' JC220.000. He asked every, member ■ : the .House whether or not-the Governf nieiit had' no', nut tliwn on . a found . ; basis. If mcnibers wanted . bapkrnnt. finances let tlse.m ado.pt the advice of tlie ■ . Leader of the. Opposition' If they want,"f erl sound finance,.- tliey would find--'.it. with the present, Government. He would have liked to.hayosaid something i. about .superannuation. and rnilway. ciipeTaiiiiuaiion. but time'would-not. pi.'r- • i- mit, as tlie lion. Rcntlenian had devoted. aVreat deal of his speech to tlie naval . policy, '■ , Naval DofciiM. He jvniited to say "list, every niem- ! Knr_ would give, liiiii credit for never ; ; having iinde pi'ther the naval or-the. defence policv a piiriy question. .;.Xow, the ■' lion. gont.Seman had mover! a' vote of ■ : no-f'oii.lideiiee, in the ,Gpvernnien;, aiul , - thn gro.iter,nart ! o'f liis.spnecli.hiid been ; .: : tak.e.n ttp w'itli' tlie' liayii! question, therefore lie had made it a Dirty question. (Applause.) Ho hoprid tlir.t other, mom- ! hc-rs would not take up. tliS sanio standpoint. .' Sir ;?yso«l' W'ird: 'What about the .' D.rea'dniiugbt? Wa* that not '• a, party queßtioii. Jfr.' Allen; I never made it a party : . n"est ion. I have nv own ..opinion about. I what was done; _The lion. ';; had been attempting to n-.isle.ad tin : peonle. -'v. v- -. y'i >'ir .To<-<->iili.Wa'd; Ka. J li'ave not '' Mr. Alleii: I- tln'hk ho has been tryin r; lo mislead the people of tlie Somillion, and 1 am sorry fo; sav 1 think ho lia<i been doing it -for party pur» poiJie'Ri. ■' v jvc:'ro.- : Furtherj Mr. Allen said that ■ iliey ,had committe;! the country to nothing further than: the. training. of the personiiel,. and"were i'ot asking to commit tbenuclvcs to tho acquisition of unv ship at ail. " 1 ) Sfr. liussell: Yon are getting a-naval :^:ttdvisert;.; : :' ' Mi. Allen. That is part of tho tram- '■>'■ ii-ig'i- of the personnel, it qiiito ■ right that they shotil'l. have an .Imperial ofiicci to command ,the I'hilomel, end ■■ in advise- the Government• on, certain .. ■■ matters. The. honourable, geiitlenian .liatl- said tlvat, he was -in favour of s ■■ <> ■ v'.ubsidy.. lie was entitled to bis opinion... But-he alsti said tliac ho was in,favour , : 61' one Imperial Xavy, and lio had trieS" t« btr.l'io tlie.country believe that- he 1 (Mi. Allen) «ab not. He denied abso- ■: hitely the suggestion."- lie. denied- that the 'Government, was not as firmly in . fr.votir of one Imperial' !\"a\;y as- the ■ honourablft aeii.tleman. \vas;.]ie would go Jurther, and say lie. was perfectly, cei;-. : tain tiiat' tiiri Gbveriiment, were more, ■■ /itriingjy in favour of one Imperial Navy, ; .- under .'one control, thtjii. was the l\ou-.' c' turable. ge.ntl'enifai., It was a greater, : s.iicrifico. to offer to tho. Imperial,ati- : tboi ities iiicn wliom t'hcy . had • speftt ' their moiiey on, and in wlwni tliey. liav<v : t'alcen'an ink-rest;, than it was io put. ■, [ tlieir liaiidS iii:'.tl-io.i s pV ;i>oc : life't^*va. _ : out iIfIO.OSO and soy.: "Tliaii.k God I .. liave. done with, you." -v- V Imperial Interest, ■' - Now Zealand statesmen, now had .some- '■ 1 c.ha;iico ■'S i b.o.^yingi?.sottie-: : i:n^ ••ivrial concerns. They ha.d piactiraUy. - ' none diiring the. honourable geiitloman.s .. '' term of ofiire. 'Iliey would no ; ,v have a ■ ': clir.nco of" looking after, the; jiersonnel ; o.i' tlie men- wlio were giving t'aeir ser-. \ICCS. Mr. Isitt- Sixty men.! < Mr, Allen; : Thi hondurable member- ■: - ' should not east, any slur on\tlie si?tv; j men -who are cominc; forward : inj'm of ; [ : -our- own blood, - I thiulv those .moii dG- [ serve all encoiiriecnifnt. (Applause,) ' , 1 tliink ) : aT)iam'on.t ougli.t to symnatmso j.with those men who .will come forw'ard . . | aiid ixrepare theniselves to defend their . country. :. ..'...'V,;;i 1 ..^V■" the liie'.v ar.e trained? ' Mr.. Allen: IV.arrangement:is : that .- these nien have a carwr for. themselves'. ; in aiiv port.ioii of. the Ko'.va! Navy, wher- ■ ever : :,itj ; i)' : . Sfo ; Continuing, Mr. Ra'.d- t i hat. t.lio tiling about' the cost. They hr.d'not committed the. country to a-halfpenny of expenditure beyond .the--'£100.000; agreed on. ■ Tlios;* who - decrie:! tb.o. ; had palle<l the. lionouralilc gentleman tiefore—"littie, Xew ZealaiKlcrs " ; they ;; bad their own career to work out, andthe. best thing was a certain amount of. ■ , indeiwudenee, with a • full" feeling of . ... loyalty to the Imiwrial.Savy. He weUt . ; oii to refer to'what Sir Joseph Ward. ..: h K d -said. at.the -1911 Coniereiica.in. Lbn- .' don. Ho went' there- to mo\e n ccitiin whieh lie told the House ho. : was going to move , He never spoke on . that hut'on .something'else. ;Sir. Joseph - . Wanl twitted him.-(JS'r. Allen) on .. not taking the ITouso into his confidohci... . Did Sii Joseph Waid t,ike the House into V.s.-ooiifidenco'with l-egard'to tho. hreadnough.t,...tbe. 'De'claration of ;London. oi: the submarines, as lie would do; In net olio oi those .three ' cases had he done so. Did. he tell O.K . ' how be voted on tlm Dcclar.v . lion of London ::SS; Ten Shillings Per Kcadl " , Ouotuig extensively fiom Sir Joseph Wnid's spccch at the Impelial Confer-

fence of 1911, Mr. Allen spoke- of Sir Joseph, Ward's schomp to provide ■, an Imperial..'l'leet.'v.of twojity-hve DreadluuichtSjs.'wlUi a, pericapita contribution of/lOsi per head bl, population.: Under hiß-schQino.ySir; Joseph, Ward proposed t<vullot'three,;of the most powerful battleships t,to-Australia, .six to Canada, three to South Africa, two to New Zealand,.- and one to, ■. Newfoundland, and with all subsidiary vessels to make up fleet units-for. these countries. "I have never had such a.visionary idea," sajd Mr. Allen. "I never dreamt of such a thing in the whole courso of my existence, and I never thought of inflicting 3uch a fearful expense ou this country-!! / ■ .•'■.'.■ The honourahle gentleman had said that. the. Government had not kept its promises with regard to reduction of expenditure. \ The Government had never promised to keep, down expenditure, but to do away with unnecessary expenditure. The Government had never said they would stop. borrowing, but they had promised to utilise borrowed money for the most effective purposes. And the Government in office ,now had : never. suggested that Dreadnoughts should bo provided wholesale iit a cost of 10s. per head for every man, woman, and child. SIR-JOSEPH WARD made a'long personal explanation. Tho statement of the Minister, ho said, that he (Sir Joseph Ward) had left tho Stato Ad-

; vances Department in a'shocking mess f , was absolutely contrary to fact. When *>'" y9 left control o jt the Department there Jvas ; a balance of about .£.700,000 cash, "which could he transferred ,to • any branch of the-office, where it was noeded. Tho commitments referred to were for loans to local bodies to extend over four voars. He said ho would deal with the 10s. per capita contribution on some later occasion. . ■Mr: Massey: You ctpri't deriy.it,? Sir Joseph Ward declared, that he had been deliberately misrepresented,in tho, matter. > . . ■■■ .. ; •Mjv, Allen said that in the matter of jtlio .State Advances , •■ balances,.! Sir Joseph vW, ard had ■ not quoted from ths speoial accounts, but from the general account; whereas, ho.(Mr. Allen) had nuoted details from the special accounts. . In this/way, Sir. Joseph Ward had given a wrong impression of the position. ■ • ' ■ ' ■'■,•■■■■ At 11.45 p.m. Mr. T. ■M. Wilford movotl-tho adjournment of-the debate, and the House rose. ~ .■■ / :■