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MINISTER REPLIES.

VINDICATION OF HIS ACTION. NO INFLUENCE USED. Tho Hon, J'. ALLEN said 110 woujd deal with tho question of advertising. Tho committee had'seen fit to report that in their opinion it would have been better if tho post had been advertised. He understood that tho committee report was unanimous, that 110 vote was taken. He did not wish to make any special point of 'this, but it was very ■unusual for ji committee of tho Houso in which party feeling ran high to come to a unanimous conclusion. Mr. Russell: What about tho draft the Minister brought down? Tho comliiitteo would not swallow that. Sir. Allen read the report of tho committee. He assured "tho member for Lyttelton and the membor for Hurunui that ho harboured: no resentment against them.' They had made ' their statements in the Houso in-tho lieat of tho moment and on second-hand information. All that had been said about him ho paid but little attention to. Theso incorrect statements woro frequently made about members of Parliament. Nor did ho bear any resentment against the member for Hutt. Mr. Massoy: You forgive him? Mr. Alien: I forgive him absolutely, but tho honourable gentleman was out foil an attack on me. Ho went to Mr. Garlick and said: "Mr. Garlick, I am not out against you; I dm out against the Minister." • Cries of '"Oh" from the Government benches. Mr. Russell: Hear, hear. Mr. Isitt: Ho said the same thing to mo. ■ . - Mr. Allon: My statement is corroborated by tho . member for Christchurch North. The member for Hutt,_ he con'tinued, had refrained from discussing Mr. Garlick's qualifications because he knew those qualifications were undoubted. Mr; Garlick's evidence on this point must havo influenced the committee.' The Best Man for tho Post. He (Mr- Allen) .did not hesitate to say. thoy 'hadj;bt tlio best-man in New Zealand for tlio post. The committee had seen fit to remark upoh tho fact that tho position had not been advertised. The/Committeo were entitled to their opinion, and ho was entitled to his. At tho time.tho Junior Cadet system had no head. Major M'Donald' had £ono to England, and Captain' Stevens, who took charge in his absence, had to bo removed from the command, So tho Junior Cadets wero loft with- no ono in chargc. Owing to tho fact that tho cadets woro not to bo' carried on. ther'o was no necessity to mako a new permanent appointment, and he had to put someone in charge temporarily. He selected Mr. Brown trom tho Education Department, but Mr. Brown agreed to take control on tho understanding that 110 would bo relieved at 1 tho earliest ponsiblo moment. When ho came 'to considor tho question of advertising, ho was advised by tho Department that they knew practically all tho physical culture exports in Now Zealand., It was therefore not necessary, to advertise in Now Zealand. If there had been time for advertising in England, 110 would havo advertised in England,'but in his opinion there was not time. "In any ease ho did not think they could' havo got a better irian in England for the same salary. Ho (Mr. Allen) did what ought to have been, done, and took the responsibility of making the appointmont without advertising. Tho result would . show ' that j they had no need for advertising. Thoro | wero any number'of precedents for, his action, ho said, and he instanced the appointment of a wumber of doctors to tho Health Dopartmont without tho positions having been advertised, both under tho Into Administration, hnd tho present. His own opinion was that if a Minister was worth his salt ho should take responsibility and act in such cases. Ho would tako tho blamo if tlioro was to bo any blamo, but ho did not think there should bo any. Breathing Exercises. Mr. Wilford had said that 110 (Mr. Alien) hail stated that tlio breathing exercises in tho syllabus wore -Mr. Garlick's. It would 1)8 incorrect to say tliat Mr. Garlick was tlio author of all tlio breathing exercises in -tho book, but Mr. Garlick had invented a set of breathing exercises which wero copyrighted bore and in Australia. Mr. Garlick and Mrs. Heap were appointed a sub-committeo to draw up a system of breathing exercises. In tlio scheme finally drawn up all the exorcises for children over eight woro from Mr. Garlick's copyrighted set. It had been arranged that Mrs. Heap should draw up tho exercises for children under eight years of ago, and sho had drawn up a list of several exercises. Of these ono was not being practised, because tho medical officers had advised that it was dangerous. Before the Conference. Ho went 011 to discuss the question of whether ho had anything to do with Mr. Garlick before tho conference met in September, 1012. Ho had never mot Jlr. Royd Garlick, and did not know

anything about him until ho wanted someone to sit on tho committee to adviso him in making tho appointment. He wished to havo two physical drill experts on tho committee, and Drs. Mukgill and Hardwick Smith, whom ho communicated with becauso they were intensely interested ill tho isubjcct of physical education, both independently recommended Mr. Royd Garlick. \Vhcn ho got that recommendation ho sent for Mr. Gariick, and asked him to sit on the committee. Before that he had never seen Mr. Garlick, 'and did not know anything about him or his politics. The honourable gentleman had now made another charge against him (Mr. Allen) —that ho had been untruthful. Ho could take the honourablo gentleman's charges very, very lightly, because ho knew the sourco from which they came —ii biased sourco. He would repeat that ho had no recollection of saying anything, except possibly in very General conversation, to Dr. Hardwick Smith about tho appointment of a director of physical education, but whatever might havo been said ho wished to mako it clear that ho had no intention of appointing Mr. Royd Garlick before he sat oil the committee. Ho nevor considered the question seriously until after the committee reported, and the committee never ' said anything to- him about who should be uppointcd. Tho member for Hutt had been unfair, as ho had been unfair throughout the proceedings, in trying to represent that all Mr. Garlick's training in Australia in physical drill had been obtainod as a schoolboy. He went on to stato the other training that Mr. Garlick hid received .'n Australia, and the proofs ho held of his qualifications. Water on a Duck's Back. So far as ho personally was concerned tho charges were lilso water on a duck's' back. Ho knew his own conscience, and he was satisfied to bo judged by himself, and not by tho member for Hutt; but ho was concerned about the result of those charges to a- man who could not como into the House and defend himself; 'ho was concerned ■ about tho charges' mado against a ivo-1 man—Mrs. Garlick; and he was concerned about tiho deliberate attempt made to damage the schomo. Ho wished to throw down into the dirt the attack mado upon the scheme, and to prove to the House how valuable it was to New Zealand, and what splondid work had been done under it., ■Ho would ask the country and tho House to judge it on the work that had been done already. Even the witnesses callod at the inquiry by tho member for Hutt all admitted that the staff of instructors was a well-trained, efficient staff. This staff had been at work for some months now instructing teachers. Thoy had been instructing-, tho teachers of Hawko's flßay, and tho Hawko's Bay Education Board had expressed great satisfaction with tho work done. In Hawko's Bay and in other districts the teachers had come to tho classes very doubtful as to their benefit, and prepared to bolievo that they would be of no benefit to them, but in every single case they had passed resolutions approving tho instructors' work, and' tlicy had also mado presentations to the instructors, and thoy had said that, although thoy camo doubting, they had changed then- minds ontirely. Advicc to the Boards. He advisod ■ othor boards who might be interested in what was going on in tho House that day not to bo led astray. If the boards did not tako tlw opportunities they wore now getting they would, in tho course of a year or two, very, very much regret it. What had been done waa only the beginning of this scheme. So far only ordinary normal cases had been dealt with. Ono reason for the appointment of Mr. Garlick was that ho waa capable of dealing with abnormal cases. Tho medical men'who wero appointed would classify tho children, singling gut those who suffered from spinal, respiratory, and othor troubles. .Mr. Garlick was thoroughly competent to train his. staff to deal with theso- special cases. Tho work that would follow in tho schools would improvo tho physiquo of tho children. It could not bo hold t-ha.t such an improvement was not needed. Only recently ho had learned from tho Chief Health Officer how much spinal curvature thero was amongst children in New Zealand schools. Much could bo done to improvo tho physique of tho children. He did not caro about tho attack upon himself, but ho did caro about the attack on tho scliome, which was intended to, improvo tho condition of children in our schools, and he cared about tho possiblo injury that might bo dono t'o the attempt to provide better'conditions in tho schools. .Ho was 'satisfied that they had; obtained the right mail to administer tho schcme. Ho asked honourablo members to read tho evidence 'of Dr. Hardwick Smith in reference to Mr. Royd Garliqk's qualifications. If he could only have produced Dr. Makgill, lie continued, who unfortunately was away from tho country, his ovidenco would have been most valuablo of all on this point, because ho knew Mr. Garlick's work better than anybody elso. Ho deprecated tho attack on Mr. Garlick, and tho attack on what thoy were trying to do to improvo tho condition of our school children. Ho deprecated tho attempt mado to influence school boards and teachers against this scheme. In a number of the districts the teachers had como; doubting to tho classes, but in every ease they had gone away believing in the scheme. Thoy had made presentations to 'tho staff. They might continuo tho attack on him as long as they liked, but the attack on tho scheme, tho attack on this man's wifo alid on himself (Garlick)—ho hoped that tiftso would stop. ' Personal Explanations. : Mr. Wilford, in a personal explanation, said that he had not mentioned tluv lady 'in the .whole of his speech. Mr. Allen had denied saying that the education that Royd Garlick received in Australia was received while a boy at school. Mr. Allen: I said more than .that. Mr. Wilford: Ho wa3 through a thorough course of training. He wont through-it as a boy at school. Mr. Allen said that, before tho Inquiry Committee, Mr. Willord had undoubtedly suggested that tthoro- had been collusion between Mr. Royd Garlick and Mrs. Royd Garlick. This had had a serious effect. Mr. Wilford said that ho had produced beforo the committee the prospectus of the Royd Garlick School, which stated that the school was pre-pared-to accopt students for training as'teachers of physical education. Ho then asked Mr. Royd Garlick whether it was not unfortunate that tho -prospectus" should contain this clause. Mr. Allen said that Mr. Wilford had undoubtedly led the committco to be- j lieve that thero was collusion between Mr. and Mrs. Royd Garlick.

A Free Acquittal. Mr. T. K. SIDEY (Caversham) said that tho committco had freely acquitted tho Minister of any that ho was actuated by improper motives in making the appointment. The member for Hutt had disclaimed any intention of making a charge of improper motives, and tiio mombcr for Lyttelton had said that if the Minister would say ho_\vas not a personal friend of Mr. Garlick's then- ho would withdraw the allegation. Tho Minister must admit now, however, that there was a discrepancy in the evnlonce which had not yet been cleared up. This was in reference to the appointment and the consideration extended in referenco thereto before tiio meeting of tho conference. Dr. Hardwick Smith admitted in his.ovidenco that he must havo inferred in his letter to the appointment of Mr. Garlick as director and not merely lo the conference* The. Minister said that-

at tho time that lotter was written he had not considered the question of appointing Mr. Garlick, and therefore this point still required elucidation. General ovidenco. showed that Mr. Garlick desired an appointment of this kind. The clause about tho qualifications of Mr. Garlick was of a. very negative character. He had largely to bo taken on trust, and had very littlo to show in tho way of recommendations; the salary (£'G0(l) was too high compared with tho salaries paid to teachers. Tho excuse given for not advertising was that tho junior cadet system was going to pieces, but that waa ridiculous, for there was no urgency at all. It was ail improper thing, further, for the wife, of tho physical director to carry 011 a business wliilc ho occupied that position. There were many objections to this, and not tho least was that tho director had tho power of appointment, which would naturally bo directed in favour of those who had been trained at his wifo's school. Bitter Party Feeling. Mr. L. 31. ISITT (Christehurch North) contended that it was a gross impropriety that any man should havo the control of a Department while his wifo advertised her desire to train pupils for positions under his jurisdiction. They did not want tho country to lose sight of their main charge in connection with this appointment. The three main points which they emphasised were these: It was an absolutely improper appointment (1) because tho position was not advertised; (2) because it was an appointment made in tho_ most extraordinary way by a committer that tho Minister himself seemed to havo called into being; (3) because tho salary was altogether disproportionate to the ability of tho mail employed. Tho wholo thing had been nil exhibition of gross carelessness on tho part of tho Minister himself. Mr. J. C. THOMSON (Wallace) specially protestejl ■ against the payment of such a largo salary, and also against Mrs. Garlick being allowed to carry on his school while ho held that posi- ' tion. This would produco demainds, from other Civil Servants that they should bo allowed to carry on private businesses as well. He condemned tho appointment in toto, and would roto against it if ho could. The Dominion was not getting valuo for its moqey. Mr. Laurenson's Attitude. Mr. G. LAURENSON (Lyttelton) said he wanted to protest against being asked to discuss this report and tho ovidenco right off. He made the statement that Royd Garlick was a personal friend of tho Minister on tho basis of public and printed statements throughout the Dominion. The Minister iiow denied this, and ho accepted his denial. At the samo timo, ho would condemn absolutely this iniquitous appointment. The rato of pay was too high, and what justifications could they make when thoy met the people? The letter from Dr. Hardwick Smith to the Minister required a great deal of explanation. It was a scandal that a man of theso qualifications should bo appointed to the post ho was at the salary of £600, without any applications being-called for the position at all. It also was wrong that Garlick should bo able to recommend the appejntment of instructors whilo llis school for tho instruction of such officers was still in operation and controlled by his wifo. Their attack was absolutely justified in tho public interest' and by every canon of good taste. They made no attack upon Royd Garlick, but he should novcr have been put in such an invidious position, as this last. A man with a sense of proprioty would nover havo allowed it.

The Hon. JAMES ALLEN stated that his information was that during the year Mr. Royd Garlick was appointed he would have earned £1280, out of which £650 expensos had to bo paid. Vlovvs of Hon.,R. M'Kenzlo. The Hon. R. M'KENZIE (Motueka) said he did not know Mr. Royd Garlick, but on behalf of the taxpayers he wished to protest both against tho manner of making the appointment and .on tho salary attached to it. It was the most scandalous appointmont that had over been made by any Government in New Zoaland. If Mr. Royd Garlick was worth a salary of £000, surely General Godley ought to recoivo at least £5000 a year.- Tho district engineers under the Public Works Department had to hold high qualifications, and they had very responsible duties to perform by comparison with thoso required of this gentleman, but ho did not think a singlo district engineer received £500 a year. He did not wish to accuse tho Minister of acting in bad faith, but lie did think there had been some vory influential person behind Mr. Royd Garlick. . A Question of Cood Tasto. Mr. G. M. THOMSON (Dunedin North) questioned tho good tasto of Mr. Wilford in bringing forward one of tho instructors under Mr. Royd Garlick to give evideifco against his chief. Tliemcmber for Christchurch North claimed to bo tho purest gentleman in the House, and lie had said also that thero were no generous instincts in members of the House. Was there a singlo member who showed less? Tho member for Hutt had beon, ho said, obsessed by the idea that tho scheme to be introduced hero was Swedish drill, but the system to be used, and the system known as Swedisli drill in England had about as much relation to Sweden, as swedisli turnips had. It had been worked up from Swedish drill by Army and Navy experts, and was now entirely different from Swodisli drill as practised in Sweden. Ho would remind Mr. Wilford that ho was not, when dealing with a committee of the House of Representatives, dealing with a common jury, but with a sot of men who could weifth the evidence offered. This committee had come to a unanimous decision.

Mr. Wilford: A verdict in my favour. Cries of "No," and laughter from tho Government benches. The Debate Continued. When the Houso resumed at 7.30 p.m. it was agreed that tho ltoyd Garlick debate should bo resumed, but on tho understanding that Imprest would bo taken later. Mr. G. W. Russell, on behalf of tho Opposition, said that lie was obliged to tho Prime Minister for allowing tho Orders of tho Day to stand over. Mr.- G. 31. Thomson, concluding his speech, denied that the committee had shown party spirit. The methods of tiio member for Hutt beforo tho committee had irritated him, but with this exception no party spirit was shown. Tho Minister had como out of this inquiry as every one had known he would —clean-handed. At tho timo when tho appointment was mado tho Minister was carrying three very heavy portfolios, and carrying a great burden of work. Possibly ho had forgotten ono or two trilling conversations about Mr. Royd Garlick, but to accuso him of having been untruthful was incorrect. Ho admitted that it had been an error of judgment on tho part of the Minister not t-o call for appointments. Tho matter brought to light at the inquiry had considerably raised his opinion of Mr. Royd Garlick. Thero wero many men who had acquired a knowledge of anatomy and physiology who could not show diplomas in proof of their knowledge. Ho denied that the report of the" committee indicated in any way that Mr. Garlick waa unfit for tho position ho held. . Mr. J. V. BROWN (Napier) contended that the result of tho inquiry was to furnish evidence of incompetency on tho part of the Government. The Minister Exonerated. Mr. 11l NEWMAN (Rangitikei) said that the report exonerated the Minister entirely from tho charges made against him except upon tho point that it would havo been better to call ann'i-.

cations before making the appointment. Ho reviewed t'lio findings of the committeo nt length, and expressed tlio opinion that t'lio ivholo thing had been got up for party purposes. The committeo liad sat for day after day listening to unimportant evidence. An Amendment proposed. Mr. G. W. RUSSELL tAvon) moved tlio' following amendment: — ••That in the opinion of this House tlio appointment of Air. Royd Garlick to the position of Director of Physical Culture .it a salary of £000 a year should not have been made, on t'lio following grounds:— "(1; Thatjipplicatioim for tlio position wore not auvertiscd for. "(2) It has not been proved that Mr. Boyd Garlick possessed the necessary qualifications for the position. "(3) That the salary being paid to Mr. Royd Garlick is too largo, and is unfair to many other public officers of long service, and especially to many school teachers holding very responsible positions. (4) That it is unfair that tlio Royd Garlick business in Wellington should bo continued, with tlio Minister's consent, in dclianco of tlio regulations applying to other^Government servants." A Question of Order. The PRIME MINISTER, asked whether tlio amendment was in order. .Mr. T. M. WILFORD (Hutt) contended that it was in order to propose to add words to tlio report. The Hon. W. H. HERB IBS said that to admit tho amondment would practically bo to admit a minority report, which was illegal. Tho SPEAKER sai dtliat lie did not regard tho amendment as a minority report. Tlio report had gone away from tho committee and the amendment was in order. It was a proposed addition to tho motion that tho report bo laid ou tlio tablo and not a proposed addition to tlio report. Mr. RUSSELL said that tho report was of a negative character. Ho assorted that , tlio Minister of Education had been guilty of a blunder that was worse than a "crime. A draft report brought down by the Minister of Justice, 'ho stated, was so modified that it was dropped. Tho report before tlio Ilottso was a composition or coalition report. Members on both sides of tho House admitted that tho Minister had blundered in not calling applications for tho position. The member for Hutt had conducted this investigation ill a painstaking, thorough, and brilliant manner. (Laughter.) Ho contonded that it had been shown that Mr. Rovd Garlick wa3 not qualified for his position. The Minister had picked up a man out of tlio street who was a masseur at tho Wellington Hospital and appointed him at a salary of £000 a year to start with. Heaven only knew what ho might attain to later on. Tho Royd Garlick business, ho declared, r, as being carried on exactly as formerly. THE HON. A. L. HERDIVJAN. MR. WILFORD'S SIGNAL FAILURE. The Hon. A. L. HERDMAN said that ho had seldom heard tho member for. Avon deliver a speech with less enthusiasm than lie had displayed that evening. Evidently ho was trying to defend tlio member for Hutt, who had ied tlio Opposition into an awkward i.osition. As a rule, in attacking tho Government, Mi'. Russell spoke with vigour, brightness, and an enormous amount of enthusiasm, and punctuated his .remarks- with movements of the arms, reminding ono of Swedish drill. (Laughter.) The suggestion that Mr. Garlick was interested in tho business now being carried on in tho city was not 'supported I by any evidence laid before tho committee. ■ It wa.s Sirs. GarllcE's business, and Mr. Garlick's services wore being. devoted entirely to tlio State. The member for Hutt claimed that ho had.gained a victory, but {Tie report showed clearly that Mr. Wilford was not justifiod in making the great bulk | of tho charges that he made in tho House. The hint qnd innuendo then conveyed was that a political appointment had been made.' Mr. Wilford: I hardly think so. Mr. Herdman: What tho lion, gentloman thinks is of no importance. _ Ho added that tho cheap smartness exhibited by Mr. Wilford before the committeo had done him very littlo good indeed. Tho member for Hutt had not' discharged tho onus cast upon himTho member for Hutt had undertaken to provo that Mr. Royd Garlick was | unfit for his position. The evidence called bofore tho committee did not support the inferenco that lie was unfit. Tho member for Hutt had signally failed to prove the accusations he had mado in tho House. Tlio volumo of evidence befdro tho committee all went to show that Mr. Garlick was fit. Mr. Herdman reviewed in detail tho ovidonco given before tho committee by tho witnesses called by Mr. Wilford. Mlich of this evidence was irrelevant, and givon by men who had only had slight opportunities of making themselves acquainted with Mr. Royd Garlick|s qualifications. Not a scrap of evidence had been called in support of tho principal charge that Mr. Allen had been actuated by improper political motives. Mr. Laureuson: That is not tho principal charge. Mr. Herdman: Oil, isn't it? It is tho charge that tho peoplo of the country are interested in. Ho believed that Mr. Garlick had been grossly wronged, and pursued with relentless fury. The evidence given by Mr. Garlick should convince anyone of his honesty ai>d ability. Tlio witnesses called by Mr'. Allen included the InspectorGeneral of Schools, _ Dr. Hardwick Smith, and other medical men. Dr. Hardwick Smith .had certified to Mr. Royd Garlick's capabilities not onlyas a masseur, but as a physical culturist. This ovidonco. alone would havo justified the finding brought in by tho committee. This gentleman, in charge of one of the largest hospitals in the Dominion, said, from his fivo years' expcrienco of Mr. Royd Garlick, that ho was fit and well qualified for his position. Applauded by tho Teachers. If further evidence were needed of Mr. Garlick's capability it would, bo fraud in tho fact that already he and his staff had trained a thousand teachers. The scheme had boon applauded by tho teachers and by tho newspapers wliero this gentleman and his staff had gone. Mr, Royd Garlick had organised the scheme successfully, and had given satisfaction to everyone with whom 'ho had been in contact. Members on tho other sido of the House would be sorry beforo a year had passed that tlioy had raised this question. As to tho salary, after hearing General Godloy, and after hearing Dr. Valiutino (who thought that £400 was enough), the Public Servieo Commissioners had como to tho conclusion that £000 a year was not too much for a man fit to hold that position. The Hon. J. A. Millar. Tlio Hon. J. A. MILLAR (Chairman of tho lloyd Garlick Committee) said that Mr. E. Nowman had read into the roport of tho committee something that was not in it. Ho, for one, did not approve of the appointment of Mr. Royd Garlick, and had mado his opinion known. Liko other members, ho exonerated tho Minister so far as any improper motivo was conccrncd, but/ho considered that the Minister had been badly advised. In his (Mr, Millar's) opinion, tho person chiefly to blame was the Inspector-General of Schools. Tho scheme of physical training in schools was good in itself, but would bo very costly. It was now costing about £11,000 a year, .'i.nd was only half started. It had been given in evidence that eventually fifty inspectors would bo wanted under the scheme. Tho best man obtainable should havo been ap-^

pointed to tho position conferred upon Mr. Royd Garlick. Ho blamed the Inspector-General of Schools for having got tho Minister into nil tho trouble. He did not wish to say anything against the Public Sorvico Commissioners, but they were the servants of the public, and if they permitted Mrs. Royd Garlick to carry on her school he would demand tho same right for ovory other . Public Servant in New Zealand. A FINAL EXHORTATION. THE PRIME MINISTER'S APPEAL. Tho Hon. W. F. MASSEY said tho honourable member for Diinediii West had expressed doubt as to whether Mr. Boyd Garlick was tho best man in New Zealand for tho post. There had been no ovidenco that lie was not tho most suitable man. and on the contrary there was the evidence of very capable men who said ho was a very suitable man for tho appointmont. K<; had had a good deal of experience of committees, and no had never known before a committco to ho unanimous. The (deduction to bo drawn was'that there must liavo been a strong case on 0110 side or tho othur; and what was tho'effect of tho finding of the committee? The effect was that Sir. Alien had been exonerated from tho most serious of the charges preferred against him. The committee had completely disposed of all tho statements impugning Mr. Allen. Ho. would suggest that all those gentlemen who iiad attacked Sir. Allen should now withdraw their charges. (Laughtor from ftio Opposition benches.) There was now nothing left of tho charges except the single 0110 that applications had not boon called by advertisement. Some Precedents. But how many important positions had been filled in the last ten years without applications being called? Ho could think of dozens of them. Ho would givo a list ot thoso lie could remember. Among thoso he named were: Police Commissioner Dinnie, Mr. Giles and Mr. Triggs (Conciliation Commissioners), Mr. Sotli Smith, and l Mr. Gilfedder, and several other Nativo Land Court Judges,- Mr. Kinsella, Dairy Commissioner; Mr. R. N. Jones, District Land Registrar; Mr. Lingard and Mr. Bishop, managers of State Coal Mines; Dr. Hay, Inspector of Mental Hospitals; Mr. Ostler and Mr. Neave, Crown Law Officers; Dr. Purdie, Dr. Finch,, and Dr. Chesson, all appointed to the Publio Health Department; and Mr. Sinclair, Marine Surveyor. All these men were appointed to posts, the salary for which was from £500 to £800 a year. In mentioning their names lie was aio trellccting upon any of thorn, but drawing attention to tho method of their appointment. Now, after having been a party to this sort of thing for bo many years, tho lion, gentlemen on tho other sido of the House, in their new-born zeal for reform, were declaring that this appointment was improperly made. He ventured to say that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pounds of tho country's money had been wasted in discussing this appointment. What had happened in connection' with this appointment would be the very best advertisement for the Public Service Commissioners, for under their control this sort of thing would ba.mado impossible for nil time. Forgetful Oppositionists. Thoro had been a tremendous amount of talk about tho salary allotted to tho ollioer; but. did lion, members recollect what took placo when last year's Supplementary Estimates were put through ? On those Estimates was the item, "Director of Physical Training, £000," and not a single word, of adverse criticism was. orfered regarding it. • Now, when ■ the gentlemen on the other side of tho House, had tlio opportunity of making party capital of the appointment, they found it convenient to forget what they did last session.. Now they said that it was; tmderstood that a competent man was to bo' ap-' pointed. An hon. member: A medical man. Mr. Massoy: Nothing of tho kind; and he quoted from Mr. Allen's speech to show that Mr. Allen had .stated definitely that tlio appointee, would hot be a medical man. Ho wished in. conclusion to congratulate Mr. Allon on tho manner in which tho committee had exonerated him by the report, and he would ask honourable members on tho other side to make the amende honorable to Mr. Alien for tho attack they had made against him. Tho amendment was defeated by 37 votes to 31, and the moFion carried. Tho division was a party one, except that Mr. E. H. Clark voted for tho amendment. Later Mr. W. A. Veiteli rose to say that ho had, under a misapprehension, voted in tho division when ho was paired with Mr. Mander. If he had understood tlio arrangement' rightly ho would not have voted. The Division. Following was tho division list on tho amendment: — Against (37): Allen, Anderson, Bell, J. Bollard, It. F. Bollard, Bradney, Buick, Campbell, Dickson, Escott, Fisher, Frasor, Guthrie, Harris, Herdman, Herries, Hine, Leo, Malcolm, Massey, Millar, A. It. Newman, E. Newman, Nosworthy, : Okey, Pcarco, Pomare, Reod, R. H. Hliodes, T. W. Rhodes, Scott, Stathain, Sykes, G. M.Thomson, Wilkinson, Wilson, Young. For (31): Atmoro, Buddo, Buxton, Clark,' Oolvin, Craigie, Dickie,' Forbes, Glover, Hanan, Hindmarsh, Isitt, Cameron, M'Callum, Mac Donald, M'Kenzie, Myers, Ngata, Parata, Payne, Poland, Robertson, Russell, Soddon, Sidey, R. W Smith, J. C. Thomson, Veitch. Webb, Wilford, Witty. . .

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Dominion, Volume 6, Issue 1865, 26 September 1913, Page 4

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MINISTER REPLIES. Dominion, Volume 6, Issue 1865, 26 September 1913, Page 4

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