THE ROYD GARLICK INQUIRY.

Dominion, Volume 6, Issue 1846, 4 September 1913, Page 8

THE ROYD GARLICK INQUIRY.

.— — ; ,INSPECTOR-GENERAL GIVES ' EVIDENCE. ! ( FAILURE OP JUNIOR CADET • ' SYSTEM. c ORDER OUT OF CHAOS. 1 The committee set up by tho Houso j of Representatives to inquiro into the £ appointment of Mr. Boyd Garlick as 3 Director of Physical Education sat 1 again yesterday, when the defence of 1 the Department was continued. Tho ] Hon. J. A. Millar presided. ' 'Lite first witness examined was Mr.' 6. Hogben (Inspector-General of s Schools). He said that tho system of < physical drill which had boon in vogue j ■in New Zealand had been anything but . .satisfactory. There was a- scheme, but it was only carried 'out well by such teachers as were enthusiasts —as in Otago. Tho first tiling suggested, by j way of change was a syllabus which came into force in 1002; and which was ( based on tho Swedish system. ,It had • not much effect except on those teach- j era who were already enthusiastic. s There were not enough exercises for \ young children.' The next thing done was in 1905, when Lieutenant-Colonel Lcveday, who was then in charge of . junior cadets, issued certain instruc- ( tions as to physical drill. Somo time ; later a book by Mr. Dovey was issued. This book was "a long way behind 1 that ( Jiow in use. Nothing else was done un- j til Mr. Allen came into office. Mr. j 'Allen brought the matter forward, as 1 ho himself had decided on. the previous i day. Ho brought down a memorandum ■ and suggested that a committee should be set up. Mr. Royd Garlick was one i of those whom the witness had sugges- < ted as suitable for appointment to the - committee. The committco was set up ! nnd, thero were also several sub-com- 1 mittees, which dealt with particular j phases of the question. The committee ■ recommended the. appointment of a di. 1 vector of physical education, and also 1 the abolition of tho.junior cadets. This 1 recommendation was approved by Cabinet on September 28, 1912. The wit- 1 ness had several confidential talks with : Mr. Allen boforo Mr. Royd Garlick was mentioned. -.•• ' ! Junior Cadot System a Failure. The question, continued the witness, was befcoming acute, as tho junior cadet . system had broken down. To tho position in England and ; Australia' would havo meant a delay of sis months. There had been several applications sent in ■ for tho previous ; few years for tho position which had been , often talked about. • Tito witness, ns the responsible officer of the Depart- • ment, took it on' himself' to recommend tho appointment of Mr. Ilo.vd Garlick, wlio seemed to be the only available man. The salary mentioned by the witness to tho Minister was lower than that which had been finally granted to Mr. Garlick. He had suggested £450 to £500. Mr. Garlick had assured him that ho could not tako tho • position at that jjalary. ! When this matter was put'before'Mr. Allen, the Minister agreed that tho matter was urgent, and . that a director should be immediately . appointed. Mr.. Garlick then saw" Mr. Allen "himself. As a result tho lattor- instructed tlie witness to see Mr. Garlick and offor bim £600. Mr. Garlick was unwilling to tako this salary, but finally accepted it. The witness did not claim to be a physical expert, but had been acquainted with physical cxorciscs all his life, and had followed every system so far' as he had heard of them.' He had mado his first acquaintance with Swedish drill in 1872. This system had been gradually filtering in ever since, in different fcrms. Aidersh'fit Men Not Suitable. To' Mr. Herdman: The system adopted by. tho New Zealand Education Department was not tho original Swedish drill, but one modification of it. The spirit was the spirit of the Swedish system, but the principle, was essentially British. The witnesses Johns and Dalton had spoken of a training system drawn, up for grown-up men. A competent instructor of soldiers at Aldershot was not necessarily tho best man to teach children, although the two best instructors ho had known in New Zealand had como from Aldershot. At the same time, they had always the tendency to . fall into the error of teaching to children exorcises moro fitted- to adults. Mr. Herdman:, You are quite satisfied tho circumstances at the time justified you in not advertising tho appointment?--!' Certainly. In the same circumstances now I might advertise, but it.would only be one of thoso hollow things done to satisfy the public." You are satisfied that when Mr. Garlink was appointed ho was tho most suitable man?—" Yea. There was only 'ono other man whoso claim could bo considered. That was Major Cowles. Tho other applicants Hero the wrong types of men." In answer to further questions, the witness said that Garlick. had shaped extremely well since his appointment. He was really moro pleased than he had cxpected to' be with the working of tin? scheme so - far. Mr. Herdman: There was some opposition from toachers? —"Tho teachcrs ■ almost always opposo anything new." Their opposition has 'disappeared?— "It is lessoning overy day." You say there was only one man. in New Zealand who possessed all the qualifications for tho position?—" Yes, I think so; he bad tho practical physiological knowledge, which the usual instructor from Aldershot has not." Scheme Working Admirably. In answer to further questions, the witness said that Mr. Garlick had six men and four women now under him as instructors. Their stations had not yet been definitely fixed. Tho scheme had been working most admirably under Mr. Garlick's supervision. '« ■ To Mr. Guthrie: When ho became In-spector-Gcneral of Schools he recognised the necessity of a scheme for the physical training of children. Tho first timo t'ho question was dealt with successfully wns when Mr. Allen camo into office last year. It would not havo been -possible to introduce the present scheme without proper organisation. Ho would not have thought of appointing a man" to the position' who had not sufficient physiological and anatomical knowledge. Ho thought that Mr. Garlick was capable of filling the position. He could not remember whether ho had first recommended Mr. Garlick to Mr. Allen, or whether the Minister bad first mentioned him. Tlie work which Mr. Garlick did on tho committee sot up by Mr. Allen to consider the scheme convinced tho witness that ho had t'ho knowledge neces- . sary for tho position. At this timo t'ho witness had no idea that Mi. Oarlick would be appointed. Tho suggestion that tho present system Jiad been evolved from suggestions left with him bv tho witness Duffy was porfcctly childish. , To Mr. Sidey: Tho committee sot up bv the Minister 'had recommended the demilitarisation of the Junior Cadets and tho appointment of a Director o Physical Education. Schools which had ■ teachers capable of giving instruction in drill wore allowed-to.Abavo oodot companies on a voluntary basis if they wished to bavo them. Ho had heen unable to fet a mail for tho salary of £4ao tc £500, which ho had hurt suggested. When tho appointment w'le hx

knew tho work of several other instruc- i tors better than that of Mr. Hovd Gar- c lick. His recommendation had been \ mado on tho strength of conversations s with Drs. Hardwick Smith and Makgill, f and oil his porsonal observation of Mr. 1 Garlick's work and knowledge. a Mr. Poland: Are you' certain that ] thero is not a moro capable man in Now I Zealand? —"Am I certain? I am not. t certain that' thero is not a Sir Isaac ( Newton in Now Zealand." _ j There was not a moro capable man in 1 Auckland? —"There was ono who might j. have been considered,' but ho already re- f ceived £600 a year.'' i Mr. Herdman: Who was that? —"Mr. 1 Milne, Principal of tho Training Col- ; lege." 1 System out of Chaos. i In answer to further questions by £ Mr. Poland, the witness said that the s matter had been ono of urgency. The 1 junior cadet system was in a chaotic ® state. This was duo, lie supposed, to f Major M'Donald and Captain Stevens. 1 Ho had. considered that public money 1 was being wasted, and that a change c irnist bo mado. So far as lie could sec < that scheme was now working well. ' To Mr. G. M. Thomson-: Ho had con- I suited with Mr. Allen on the quest-ion 1 of advertising tho position. The impend- 1 i.ng departure of M<r. Allen for England liad had nothing to do with tho hasten- t ing of the appointment. ' To tho chairman: Ho kept in touolj t with tho latest ideas in the educational 1 movement in all parts of the world, so t far as ho could. He did not think ( that there was much value to be at- t tached to the'reports of recent inter- f national conferences on physical tram- ] ing. The'international conference on < sdnool hygiene, which ho had attended, ] was more representative. Tho condi- i tions in European schools were not 1 those of New Zealand' schools. He ] agreed that tho very best system ® < existence should bo adopted by New { Zealand. _ ■ Tho chairman: In view of that fact, ] did you not consider that the Minister ( for Education should have waited until « lie went to England before ho mado | the. appointment ? —"lf that had beeai ] tlie only consideration; yes. But that was> not the only consideration. ' The chairman remarked, in connection witn the demilitarisation of the junior , cadets, that.it was a, disgraco to the ] Department that after nine years of, tho j system thero was no officer qualified to ( take up tho position of commandant after the transfer of Captain Stevens. Did tho witness mean to say that j General Godley knew that the system was pin a. chaotic state, and that he . authorised a waste of public money ? Tho witness said that the commandant of the cadcts had been responsible , to no Department, but directly to the Minister. Everyone . concerned had agreed that tho demilitarisation of tho junior cadets was necessary. Rivals for the Position. Tlie chairman: You said that Mr. Royd Garlick was the only man in NewZealand qualified for the position?—"l didn't say that." What 1 clid you say ?—"Tliat ho was tho man with the best knowledge physiology necessary for tho position." You knew Mr. Honiibrook ?—"Yes." Were lii\i qualifications not as good as those of Mr. lioyd Garlick? —"Certainly not. Ho camo to see me, and I wassatisfied that lieUiad not ■ sufficient knowledge of physiology:" Mr. Herdman (consulting Mr. Hornibrook's references): These are references only with regard to Mr. Hornibrook as a masseur. Tho chairman: That-is the reference of Dir. Hardwick Smith with regard to Mr. Garlick. It seems to me that the inferenco is that you Wellington men appointed another Wellington man without reference to the rest of New Zealand. ' Mr. : Hogben asserted that as a responsible public servant ho had never made a recommendation which was not in the public interest. To Mr. Wilford: He was not a friend of Mr. Eoyd Garlick, who had a personal mannerisin which did not attract him. It was only when evidence became stronger and ■ stronger that he overcame t'ho objection which he had had at first, and recognised the qualifications of Mr. Garlick. The suggestion that Mr. Garlick had "mesmerised" tho mcdical men and the other members of the committee was absurd. Mr. lioyd Garlick did not have to take tlie antliropometrical measurements of the children, but he was capable of doing so if-required. -He had not known Mr. Harrison's certificates when ho appointed Mr. Royd Garlick. He had a great regard for "Mr. Harrison, and had sent his own children to be taught by him. He knew that Mr. Harrison had been instructor to several schools in Wellington, but he did not know of other qualifications which Mr. Wilford mentioned. Mr. Wilford: So you didn't know this man's, qualifications? —"I knew enough about him to know that he was not the man for the position." If-you did not know this man's qualifications, do you not 'think that if you had advertised the position Mr. Harrison might have applied?—"lt would have been a farce to appoint Mr. Harrison. He is a very good man indeed in his own lino, but he had not the qualifications for this post.": Now that you know what has happened, you would think it wise to advertise in caso of a future appointment? "T would. I do not think it advisable that tlmre ■ should bo another Garlick inquiry." So, if Mr. Garlick resigns, you would recommend Mr. Allen to advertise? "T | would, as a matter of expediency. I do not think that it would make any difference." I see. You would havo appointed Mr. Royd Garlick in any case?—"l have yet to learil that there was anyone better whom wb might have appointed." Was it you or Mr. Allen who peri suaded Mr. Garlick to accept £600 a year? Who was it.who nut the pres- ■ sure on him? —'.'I pointed out to_ Mr. Garlick the advantages of the position, but what I said to him could not bo i described as pressure. I showed _ liirn alsi the disadvantages of tho position." 1 Then, when Mr. Allen talks about . pressure, does be mean pressure by von?—"I told him that we should like a, man of his Btamp to take tho position." . , In answer to further questions, Sir. ; Tlosben said that seven but of the ten 1 instructors under the scheme had been I appointed by the Civil Service Commissioners. J ; A Ministerial Denial. Tho committee adjourned at 6.10 p.m. . until 8 p.m. '"When the sitting was re--1 sumed, Mr. Allen explained a matter re- . ferring to his evidence of tho previous o day. 'He had found that several memy hers of tho committee were under tho t impression that he had seen Royd.Garo lick's income tax returns—that is, a t document from tho Incomo Tax Office, e What he saw was not an official docuc ment. but a form mado out by Garlick i- himself. It contained a copy of tho paro tictilars given by Garlick in his official ,f return to tho Department. There was another matter to which ho wished to refer. Mrs. Garlick's namo had been r mentioned boforo the committco, and d Mr. Garlick had informed him that n she felt vory strongly alxiut it. There o liad been an insinuation that thero was > collusion between Mr. and Mrs. Garlick, whereby tho latter should tram e instructors who .would be afterwards k employed , under her husband. Mrs it Garlick felt very soro that her name had d been brought up, as the allegation was io quite unfounded. Mr. Wilford had read a part of her prospectus, but tho wholo .p of- it should be Tcad. Ho handed in a io copy of tho prospectus for tho perusal s, of the committee. Mrs. Garlick projf posed to teach instructors who would d go into private business. As a matter in of fact, appointments to the Dcpartii- ment were made by tho Civil Service li- Commissioners. ;o Mr. Garlick's Evldonce. 1. Thomas Booth Royd Garlick was ask- » ed'-bjj .chairß.au jf ho desired

mako any statement with regard to tho charges lie had heard. Dealing first with tho charge of incompetence, ho said that Mr. Wilford should first have found out what the scheme was, what liis duties were in- connection with it, and how he was carrying them out. His physical training had begun m lbßl. From that vear until 1887 ho was tau"ht tho Ling system of Swedish drill. From 1881 to .1884 he had studied educational gymnastics, and from 18S4 to 1887 educational and advanced gymnastics, at Me]bourne Giammai School. Erom 1894 to 1897 he had studied tho Sandow system. From 1896 to 1893 ho had studied medical gymnastics and massage. For six months 111 1897 ho had attended Professor Millar's classes in Melbourne, studying gymnastics, physical culture, and fencing. In '1898 he studied the Sandow system, and in 1902 wen t to a school in Cliristchurch. to studv'tho same system further. Sinco that'time ho had spent his wholo time in tho self-study of physical culture methods. Sinco 1902 ho had been conducting his own school in Wellington, and had practised as- a masseur. He had therefore a total experieneo in tlie work extending over' 31 years. During'tho past eleven years lie had bnen engaged by the Hawke's Ray and Wellington Education Boards to instruct teachers in correct breathing at different- places, and had also taught classes of children at various schools in the Wanganui and Hawke's Bay'districts. Ho thereforo knew' something of the requirements of both teachers and pupils. In Melbourne ho had resided for somo time in a private hospital, where he gained a good deal of experieneo in mtissago and spccial work. Prior, to 1907 there was no school in Australia wliero aiiy diploma in educational, gymnastics could be Obtained. Ira 1901 he camo to New Zealand as an. official of the Union Bank, with the intention of opening a physical culture school. He had informed tho bank of his intention. Ho was sent to Christchurch in 1902, and there attended a school to study the Sandow system fuirthe.r. He learnt nothing there which lie had not known before. . An Expert Required. The witness contended that an expert was one with special skill and knowledge of a subject. Mr. W ilfoj'd had not produced anyone with a knowledge of the Ling system which would entitle him to be classed as an expert. Johnston, for instance, had a knowledge only of military drill, or advanced gymnastics. These exercises were quite unsuitable for children, especially girls. An important branch of the system was pnouniology—tho science of breathing. This was merely touched ini tho Ling system, but was dealt with much moro fully in tlie New Zealand school system. He claimed that he'had as good a know; ledge and as wide an experience of the Ling'system Mid of tho. respiratory branches of the work as any, witness brought by Mr. Wilford—in fact, more than they had. He might lay claim, indeed, to have introduced this' branch of-tho work into New Zealand. He had proved his ability to impart knowledge of these subjects to both adults and children. In November, 1912, lie had been appointed Director of Physioal Education. He detailed, his schedmle of duties. -The syllabus was not a system of Swedish drill, but was based on the Ling system. It was not a scheme of military drill, but was .intended to instruct tho teachers in tho work oi physical culture. As Director he was responsible for a uniform interpretation of the book. The majority of the staff were chosen for their practical knowledge of the scheme outlined in tho, book. He had trained the instructors in tho work contained in the book, and had explained tho physiological and anatomical values of tho different cxorcises. Some of t'heso lessons had been in tho form of lectures, delivered from previous lectures delivered to studonts. Ho had laid down a. uniform interpretation of tho book, and had explained it to instructors. A knowledge of pure Swedish drill was not necessary, but a knowledge of its form of medical gymnastics was essential. It was not essential, nor particularly desirable, for a director to be a good squad commander; but it was necossary for the instructors, w-'ho would be doing this kind of work amongst tho teachers. The only system of physical training in the schools when he was appointed was the junior cadet system, which embraced 24,000 boys between tho ages of 12 and 14 years. Under the now scheme, over 150,000 children in the various Stato primary, Native, and special schools would, be dealt with. There were also 4000 teachers to be instructed. Further, there was the special treatment which would be necessary for children suffering from various defects. All this work could not be carried out by a mere physical instructor, like an Army sergeant. Carrying Out the Scheme. His first duty had been the organisation of the work. He had had no knowledge of Departmental ways, and had somo difficulty in picking up the threads of the junior cadet movement, and getting into proper touch with tho Department and the thirteen different boards. The staff had also to bo selected, and some delay in the instructing of teachers was caused through the f«ct that the teachers are not controlled by the Department, but by the boards. If ho had had a bigger staff lie might have tried to instruct the teachers by progressive, continuous lessons, but he really thought this system was. worthless. The training of the teachers had been carried out at specified times and places, the lessons extending over 72 hours. He had to see that the syllabus was not exceeded through tlie "gaddisms" of enthusiastic instructors, and had, therefore, to lay down a very definite timo-tablo and scheme of instruction. Tho chief aims in tho work wore getting the teachers thoroughly to understand fundamental and startinp positions. Tho whole _ of tho drill hinged on these positions. _ The teachers were also instructed in the therapeutic value of the. exercises. Tin exercises were arranged in progressive series, fitted for. children of differenl ! ages and stages of development. . _ As the exercises progressed, a child gainct l further knowledge of how to control his musclcs. : Satisfactory Progress. To Mr. Herdman: Ho was 43 year: of age? Ho commenced'to learn pliysi- ' cal culture at the age of 11 at Bendigo He then did the samo work as was now being done in New Zealand schools . The principle was the same, altliougl: • tho New Zealand system was ratliei • more modern. There was a gap ir i his training from 1887 to 1894, at whicl - time ho was on a station in Now Soutl: ; Wales. Ho had been acquainted witl • the book used by the Department before i ho was appointed. Ho had re- . cognised it as a very use- - fill book for a big system c His wife had had nothing to do witl - his work under the Department, and.hi 1 had had nothing to do with her busi ? ness. Ho did not know how many pupil: ) she had or how much she was earning i Ho had given her advico in one or twi 1 spccial cases, as ho had a perfect righ t to do. Tho suggestion of Mr. Wilfori 3 that Mrs. Garlick proposed to teach in 3 structors who would afterwards be em - ployed under him in tho Department wa: i absolutely untrue. Thero wero tell in s structors now on tho staff. Six of thes> . had been appointed by tho Public Ser I vico Commissioners, and nono by him 5 self. lie liad recommended them all ti 1 the head oft ho Department. The state f> ment of the v.-itness Dalton that h • (Garlick) had been unable to tako U] 1 the correct positions on. the occasion o - his visit to Mrs. Ga.-liek's ..school wa :1 misleading.' lie had gone one evenin; r to see tho business men'.') class at lb - school, and had found that the instruc e tor (Dalton) war, teaching them wrongly The witness liad therefore tried to live things up by "btfeking in" on his ow account. Dalton had never hinted I - him that ho was doing what was wronp exhibition, given at $9 loKftWi;

which had been mentioned by witnesses, Mas carried out by six men and four women, and was designed to show tho kind of work which tho instructors would impart to the teachers. Ho had had no part in tho training of the squad. It was not a display ot Swedish drill. Ho had thought that tho display was very satisfactory, especially as tho ten had never before worked together. There wero one or two mistakes, but they wore not- serious. Tho staff was working satisfactorily at the present time, with tho exception that in some cases tho squads were not making such progress as ho would have liked in breathing exercises. Tlie breathing exercises in tho book wero his own system, and his own method of teaching tho function of respiration. His complaint was not general, but referred only to certain squads. He had been for" somo years honorary masseur at the Hospital. Ho ordered different exercises for different eases. Sometimes he prescribed breathing exercises. Ho was tho only masseur employed at tho Hos--pitai, and had worked under many doctors. He had treated cases of all kinds, including spinal troubles, paralysis resulting from poisoning, heart cases, tho after-effects or surgical operations, and all forms of rheumatics. Ho had seen t'ho sc'hcol of instructors 'at work, and had demonstrated the breathing exercises to them. Ho liad not dono much demonstration to school teachers. It had been his experieneo that in several districts tho teachers had come for instruction full of doubts, and in somo cases almost hostile, but bet'o'ro their fortnight of training was up they were very enthusiastic. So far about 900 teachers had had a course of training, which fitted them to commence the teaching of t'ho syllabus. , Tho result of tho Department's work so fa r was, therefore, that they now had 900 teachcrs capable of teaching the children physical culture. At present lie was waiting on the convenience of other boards to assemblo their teachers • for training. Tho Department could no"t compel tho teachers to come, but had to depend on the boards to bring them together. What he Earned Previously. When !iio was appointed to tho position his gross earnings had been lroni" £800 to £1100. The, year previous to his appointment his income tax return showed.-an income of about £1000. l'or tho seven months of 1912 previous to his appointment ho had earned about £800. Aiiv Allen liad seen a copy of his income tax return. Ho had 'hau an.opportunity in 1910 of talcing over the lino practice of Mr. Nystroom, of Melbourne. Ho had read a good deal on the subject of his profession, including American works. America,certainly led t'ho world in physical'culture, with the exception, perhaps, of Sweden. As far as possiblo American directors were medical men, but, so far as tho witness knew, they were engaged in private practice, in addition to tlieir official duties. ■ A Comprehensive System. To Mr. Guthrie: The New Zealand schemo was much moro comprenensive than that adopted by Australia', 'l'ne Commonwealth director was engaged in privato practice, and only gave part oi nis time to his duties. To Jlr. Sidey: lie had first become keenly interested in physical culture through reading Sandoiv's lirst book, ' w*iuto no was on.a sheep station in the lUverina district, New bouth Wales. It i was necessary for t-ho instructor to havo a knowledge ot tho principles of Swedish : drill. Ho certainly contradicted the . statement of tho witness Johnston that , he did not havo this knowledge, i To Mr; G. M. Thomson: Ho did not [• know of any mcdical men amongst tho . instructors in the gymnasia 'of tlio big l'.M.C.A.'s of America, although ho s had heard that there were one or two. i Tiiero wore none in Australia. A teacher . could gain enough knowledge of tho - syllabqs for a year's work in a fortl night's course. He could not agree with s the statement of witnesses that it would t tako three months. 1 To tho chairman: Tho teachers had 3 been instructed not to go beyond the - first eight tables in tho book for tho 1 first year. These were tho most imr portant tables, and occurred in each ; of tho three progressive series. A . teacher who had thoroughly mastered ' these tables and had had a year's pracI tico would be capable of mastering the - whole syllabus as his work progressed, f Tho scheme had not yet been fully, dor veioped on the lines of his report. After s the toachers had been trained by the 1 instructors, ho would want moro in- . structors than he had now to go round - tlie schools and supervise their work, e He would want about half the numbei - of the inspectors at present employed s by the boards. An annual inspection e of t'ho schools would 1 bo necessary, tc .- ensure that the work was being properh carried out by the teachers. He woulc like to make his first examination aboul six months hence. Tho medical officers had begun their work of inspection, but ° it was not yet being carried out on the " lines of his suggestion, as he hac e not had an opportunity of fully explain '' ing to them exactly what classifioatioi 0 lie wanted. Ono small educational dis trict had been inspected, but ho hat "" had no report as yet as to how far ttn " work of classification had proceeded The smallpox outbreak had retarded tin y work, as tho officers had been requiret 'f to work with tho Health Department ii ° dealing with tho epidemic, j- . ' 10 Appointment Not Political, d To tho Hon. Mr. Allen: He had see) d Mr.' Wilford's reference to "spoils t< 2 the victors." Ho had never been askei ls about his political opinions by any Gov eminent official. Mr. Allen could no 1( 1 have known anything about his politi 2- cal views. He belonged to no politica c " association. Ho had read a good dea re about anatomy and physiology.; am 1 " about every other branch of his pro '£ fession. He had applied his reading t--11 his practical work. In his work pre vious to the appointment ho had man, a- times treated children, from the ago o ie seven months up. Ho had become ; ■o member of the Australasian Massag Institute in 1906. He was appointed oi Ls his experience and the medical testi j d monials which ho had forwarded. Swed 01 ish drill was introduced into England ii tho 'seventies, and was being employe' in Australia 25 years ago to bis snow fs ledge. There wore four branches o Ling's system—educational, military mcdical, and aesthetic. They were mali w ing no pretence of teaching all tiles s systems in Now Zealand. Tlieir sys tem was. founded on educational gjni nasties. Tiiero would also bo some aj -, plication of medical gymnastics, whic •1, was a moro advanced branch. He ha ■], heard tlie charge that ono of tlx '], lady instructors could not speak English ro Slit would make an excellent instrm 0 _ tress. Sho could not speak Englis c _ very fluently, but well enough to ii n " struct and givo tho words of connnani t iJ One Education Board had asked tlia sho be stationed in its district, and th .: teaohors of Auckland had petit-ione 'i" that she bo sent thero. ' Mr. Allen; These people would lie . seek her services unless they value |,t her work?—" They would not. ' "j Mr. Allen: So another change falls t n l the ground. In answer to furthor questions, til witness said the syllabus contained , system of organised games. 'Hi breathing exercises had stood the test < , S ° medical supervision. The criticisi T " levelled at tho exercises by the witne; I 1" Johnston were unwarranted. He ha never known a child to faint whi i P " carrving out theso exorcises. The committco rose at 11.45 p.m., an "C will sit- again at 3 p.m. to-day, wlie Mr. Wilford will outer upon his cros as examination of Mr.-Garlick. The con niittee has decided to ask tho House I extend tho term allowed it for a for !?; N=s=== en ,v| i If you Ret a chill with soro throat ni to tightness of chest tackle it at oncn wit ig. "NAZOL." It RTips it quicker and mo; JJ, ftSectpggE pwat_