THE UNIVERSITY.

Dominion, Volume 6, Issue 1654, 22 January 1913, Page 7

THE UNIVERSITY.

: > : >''; : ■ ARTS AND SCIiENCE. ;■■.-■ ■ MOTION FOR ONE PASS DEGREE .','■ ; :; REJECTED. ".'■.;' .''V. ~.". . (By: Telegraph-Press .Association.) I '. .':•' '■ r ' . Auckland, January 21. Tlio annual session of tho University Senate was continued'to-day; 1: :■';.•.;' ( •Tho/ Senate discussed i.variou9matteri alluded to in tho report of ; the ■ Professorial Conference ' held : . in ',_■■ Wellington. Tho conferencQ had reconimended' "that there ,b8 ono pass degree, in //arts •. and science." "■■■, " , s ''.' - Mr. Hogben moved, and Professor F. P,', Brown 'seconded, a motion that the' Son ate should : adopt ' this. ■ recommendation;' '.and. practically every 'member, pf . tho,. Senate'took part iu tho subsequent discussion; ,■' ■■ ,■'■'.' •';■;.'■.:;■ .'' ,'. Professor J. M. Brown opposed:; l :th«; chimgo. i '~';' > ■ • Professor F. D. Brown, in advocating tho \ change, said tho-■ past arrangement wal confusing'te the public. A B.Sc.. was expected 'to bo ai expert in science,-but such was hot the case.' The,'original idea .- ha\l been' to establish collateral degrees,. on<! for thoso with :a' literary tendency anil tho other for those, who.had a scientifii tendency. 'Tlie'-difficulty ivas that a graduate,in ono deeree could by taking another subject, secure, tho second degreo as; r wcll.< The public would never rocognisj two degrees as.' collateral degrees,', and it was proposed .to ..got that'by ; having; .only ; . ono;' •■degree/ Professor Marshall, stated that, ho, 'could,see no reason Why the B.Sc' degree should bo abolished. Ho approved of tho collateral naturoof thotwo degrees, and pointed out' that the easy-transference; from onedegree to'another;was not'ultogether a bad thing. In bis own caso it had turned his attention to sCionce.'ptherwisb he,' might havo • remained 1 ': content with the M.A.. degree.'• ' '•;',', Tho Chancellor (Sir 11. Stout) contended that if they abolished:the scichco'degree ■they would discourage science. ITow could they encourage science by making the do-; Ei'ce a B.A. degree? ' Professor. I\' D, ■ Brown ;had' said' they must havo pro-' gress, but progress meant differentiation,' not amalgamation. The new line of educational development was specialisationin everything, and tho hewer universities, hnd separate degrees. Cpuld tho New Zealand University think' it was -'progressing if it called a man who passed in 1 science a. Bachelor of Arts? If.it gave a new name to a new thing ifwasiindcrstahdablo that-there should be a pass .degree in a university beforo any other degree couid bo-studied for. That Was what Mr. Tibbs had spoken of; ,Tho logical thing to do in New Zealand, however, was to make the science, degree inoro soiontifio." "-•■•

. Tho Hon. Dr.-Collins and Dr. WDowell having .both spoken against, (ho motion, Mr. Hogbbn replied, aud a division was taken. ' :; ' •

The, motion was lost l>y 14' votes to. B,' those in tho negative being tho Chancel., lor (Sir It. Stout), tho \ ioe-Cnancollor (Sir Charles Bowen), Professors Behham, J. If. Brown, Marshall,, and- Shanil, tho Revs... A l , ; Cameron . ami ' '.\\V Howitson, Drs.; Collins, M'Do'well, and: Ktchett, , and ./.Messrs. .11. A, Gordon, Von Haast, and,the lion. J. A. Tolo. • Tho l 'noes" were! 1 Professor P. 1), Brown, J. H. Brown, G. Chilton,'T. A. Hunter, Higlit, tho Eov. 'W. A. Evans, Mr. Hogbeli, and Mr.' Tibbs.'-, , . - Mr. Gordon moved: "That' the" Seriate. deems it dcsirablo that tho 'Government' should recognise' the high standard'.'of qualifications that graduates in mining engineering have'to reach before obiaiding their degree, and so amend the Mining nndCoal Mines Act so as to enable such graduates to obtain mine.managers' cerij/U catos on production of ■ certificate ftiiin authorised managers that thev have-lxim employed in underground workings of a mine,for a period of threevonrs. 'Tim chief'point in Mr. Gordon's suggestion was tho three-year instead of the five-year period of underground experience. Tho motion was carried Vinnnimouslv. Tho Senate rejected a motion bv Professor Hunter that it be atf instruction to any committee that has to nomflrMn New Zealand examiner.? to first renort, for tho approval, of ,th« Senate, tho p'rinciple it prppoEes to follow in tho selection of exaunnors,. '~.-...'