HOME RULE BILL.

Dominion, Volume 6, Issue 1593, 9 November 1912, Page 5

HOME RULE BILL.

WESTMINSTER REPRESENTATIVES, PROPOSED EXCLUSION. ~By Tolwrranh-Pf 65a Assncmtion-Copjilsiit London, November 7.' The Home Rule Bill was further con-;. ;. sidered in Committee of .the House of Commons.. ■~'.", On Clauso 13, providing for.the foteV tion of Irish members at WcstminstCri Mr. V. Cass&l (Conservative) moved to exclude all tho L?isli members: from the Imperial Parliament until such time,. ,as. there had been no deficit on Irish-expon-, .' ■~ diture for three .consecutive years. ~ , Mr, Asquith (Prime Minister) iefeid-:'..£.' ed tho retention of Irish ■ members. ; at>-.::.;.. "Westminster as a necessary part'.''otJ.f; :L; : general devolution, of which Irish Home;..:!? : Rule was the first step. .„-_'' Mr. J. .B> Redmond, Leader of.. JM J>. Irish Nationalist party, .said that, ;p6nd::;l'' "tag the completion, of a Federal.system,-; ■?■:-, fclio anomaly of Irish mom.befs at jfl.esb; ,yi> minster must bo endured. :'■■.' .■..-?,■.;..;■. Mr. Balfour derided the idea.of general;..;;"!; devolution,. Otherwise, ho argued,' the?*'."-;. Government wo:uld ; not , ,havo, handed ;';;■: Customs.control, to Ireland, ,-. : . .>v:.V' : \':;'. The amendment w.as. rejected:, by 315. ■ 0" votes to '213... . . :';'Z ; , THE FINANCIAL CLAUSES. ■ \r& OPPOSITION CRITICISM,- "\;.\£ (Rcc. November 8, IOUO p.m.)..:.-..- ■\j ''$ London, November 8) , .. The House of Commons yesterday', begaa!.:; the discussioa of Clauso 11 of :lhe'Ho.ma y ... ; :.. Rule occupy Seven juttings. ■:.'-. .*',..'; ''^,'* : . lTr> ..Herbert;.'' :Sainuel,- ,!Pxßtmaster- V; < General,, in. moving tho. resolutions,/ baidi;?■>- : the Irish deficit must be takenV'as tho .:...'; ■' dominant-factor'..;lt wasihcbiisistent' with;;J?;?; thfe Essence : bLflome Riilo that that'dencit'';. "' should' rest for ..all,'time On. the British .:' taxpayer,...but"the burden OQul'dLhb.t.'im- ". mediately be" thrown' on Ireland. There-■ ■■ V: " fore it was necessary that.iioniihal; mere: ,j ments of; revenue should go..tb.-.tlib.. lin; ; penal. .'Exchequer , tiniil .'.ithe ,ac'opiini«t.,-.f' balanced*■' .'The;. Bill "cCjcl riotgiVe. ifispal" .'. autonomy,'..ln no federation did a pro? ' yihee. involve the .central exc.hcquer'.itt an.-. ■ .'; annual.-loss/;'aivil' therefore,. Ireland.'' ..was. ■■■■ di'fiVeu't from? all'federal ■'p^bedents.-, ; ; : :.: i ''■' Mr." Aiis.tbn ; .'Ghatabjeriain.. '(.tfnionist);... Said the Government, proposal.■tok*everjr ;'■"''. ■■ Federal prepedfeht: Because'lielaiid 'ha'di':' deficit,'it.was granted.greatbi: powers than:,- y ' the local ■Legislature;of..any' The. financial gcheine -wpujl&np^^eal.' '.■ old feuds; and'would qpo'n<:new'^6he's..«' ; 'y;' Mr. ; ,William...;Ojßr%n : ;..;tlndepehdent7.;.' :said, tfo. ; 6tTiplpei;|; v .: the Irish ijt tW cbnti'ol 'bf. fiyersixths of"';':;" their: pwd. taxatiCn.- -'■ ' : ;''"'";, Mr. Lloyd-George, Ghancell'6r : ■■ of .■.■.tlie. ■■?;:;; Exchequer, : said ■ England''was; 'no-'„ : '.' , thing, not already greenfto 'jrekrid', :aivd it;v.. w.asvdishonest to assert, that: .shd7iva^Vfijid^/:,V : ; '. ing a2;flooiodti' t;o fin'an^i:Hbme;llulo;' :; .:. ; ,;.' %:.?.> , Mr. BpnarLaw,. Leader,, pf'tho;:;'opp6si-'■■■.■■ ■ Wales sacrificing .her 'TEe^.-txade;pnh'ciples'. > .; ■'■; to: seciiro' lini'pii. in ; the ■;■Commouwmitit; ';'"■'■ with :tu..at;o'f sac^i'ficihg■.';' : 'R^'r■■ :: /, , ■.•. "trade, nQt/ : fo.r'.union, bu.t :for.. disintogra* '•';.; ■ •;• '•'■ _ "- :, ; : '; !.• The; resolution-was carried with' the aid ~s ■ .of the' guillbtihie, . Tho. ■ voting, ..was. to ~;, follow:— ■ . ,- ' Ebr the re.soJtJiWQia '~.,.....«..,... 320 Against the resolutip'n 181 „....,,.„.......... 139 CUSTOMS 'CLAUSE pBJECTED TQ* : Nb,rem'ber\B,' 11.25; p.mj). "' : : ' London;. November. % 'A meinbranduri representing : tho views : of ;thO,,Hou6'e' ■ . of Oomin'oiis' is 'bjdng- circulated minster.'- It opposes. Clauses' 15 and 1G; of ih!e S:ome : Rule BiU, : perntit^n'g-the Irish :.,Parliament to■ reduce voir.', in'ciieasb"'' Ous? r |onia^n'fieS..' , i It'w-.argflo^ , .ttoC.-tjiJs is cilf .'■'.■';;■ " oulated to' ,leid i „io: Cuata.iiis. barriers, and : : . . the. Government.is. the ;: matter" iiii'fette'red by 'the:'dedisibn : 'bf .thj?'. : House.,. . ...' .' . ■.-."'«.■.,,'