TRAMWAYS AGAIN.

Dominion, Volume 5, Issue 1518, 14 August 1912, Page 4

TRAMWAYS AGAIN.

BOARD UPHELD.

CR, HINDIYIARSH'S SCHEME. THOSE SECTIONSHOW BEST TO GET REVENUE. Tlio City , Co«ifcil'"-inct : --:l«st-\cvdni to 'vonsider tho . nj'ptiqii" .of which.Councillor 'A. H. Hiridmiu'sli.had The 'jjiotioii }yas:— by the council - oiv, AugjyiS-.; 1; -yitdopting tlia Council-in-Commit tee V report on - tho • Tramway rescinded/" ' V . , Thero wcro-prescnt;'Tho* Mayor (Mr! D. Sl'Laren), % Councillors J. ; -\Sniith, P.' O'ihon, str.': irost, J. Trevor,:,. A', ~,R.., Atkinson,yr.'; Godber, L. M'KoriSiie, "W, H. P. Barber; It. A. Camerpn, A. It; Hindmarsli, J. II: Fitzgerald, Jl Shirlclift'e/aiid E. Fletcher.; The New Idea. , Councilor Hindmarsh_.said that lie had been uualilo to attend the previous meeting of : thp council, and therefore had taken tlie'conrse of giving notice of tho , motion'imw.'jreforo the council, lie. felt ;at. to.vin'nlce tho lir.st outward section ■from lahiMpn station to Winder'.; tamer would;. !))jletter than tho "scheme proOt'OSOtl by, thii' hoard, which allowed .the ■Jong , Feci ion to Courtsnay pi nco ';„ n ,j .Veiteli and Allan's corjici- to remain.• He therefore eohUdared it his duty to bring .Jiisideiv/-before the council. 110 umlsr-' stood that the management allegtd that more vavemt'o must bo got, and that lbs ■alterations had ljeen based on that as-sumption.*-They were told that the tramwayundertaking was not as strong financially as it ought to be, and that it was necessary to recast lh-a sections in order to imprpvo ~tho revenue. However, the .thing wits "being: gono about in tho wrong' way. vlt was not necessary so much to consider;tha extreme ends, of the routes,' 1 as j tho ..bulk of the business was done Bearer thq- centre of the. city. The board •had boon dominated-by mi.idea that tho sections ought to bo all the same length, at w as'Well. ; known that between Cour-Jenav-Elaco. and Lam Won station and iVeitch-ami Allan s corner the cars were pearly, always crowded, but that beyond those jwmtS there was no crowd-' !+I! S i.- e::c ?i I 0!! ' !oUrs - It seemed w) mm. that , Winder s corner iuul been ■dotermincd .by nature as a snt'oii terrrniio'iV Vot. oul i l,s v t cars trom Ifataitaf,' .Ccn taUc-street, Newtown, Island Bav, Uallaco Street, and so on. It. seemed io mm to be.,wrong that pi-ople should havo 1° W i9feV pcn "- r froi »' MaiisficW Street to Johii, Street, when others could rido from- Gcjilrtenny. I lace to I.ambtoii Station for the ; ,same, price. Oiie : could never convince; th<i. Newtown people 'tliat that .^ a *t then* would be constant agitation.. Under his 'proposal it wouid cost -twefronoo (o (ravol bet\rocii (.ho residonees ct .the people v.lm wore near enough to,. thi> city to go home to lunch t° Lambtaii-IStation. He was perfectly certain that that would be a letter soureo to tap i-for ~revenue than to call on tile people: of ,'tlip. outlying districts. .Some Tesohito-'poliiy was needed, and councillors should not accept blindlv the recom-inendat-Mns of the board. It was easier no doubt,vtft accept the board's recom-' inendatiaas, and i.n the, event of criticism to shelter .beneath tlio.-e, recommendations Oil the .ground that the board were: the council's experts.

V; ; Sections. . A councillor: What arc your proposals? CoujutfUprVlfiudmarsh: *-To, inuko 0110 section, fromf-somewliere tho -.other .side of Hataitajj to \\ inder'sj*A>vner; one section tfrouf: Constable.' .Street-.' tovtho Basin Reserve; the .Island Bay section to fend at. the-Basin? and so-on. A councillor: \\hut, is 'voui* su trcT estion for- Island, Bav? v.- » Councillor:. Jlin([inarsji' : ; Bar to/ say, CKilkay. Street wie Ti'oui • Chilka Street to tho -Basin another, arid • ironi there to binders corner tho'next section... • Councillor Ilindmarsh .sAid that he was proposing -;this to. ge'j the most levenue out of the. traffic; he wanted to tap the stream ; of, traffic of business people and bhoppin« people 'which was , constantly passing, fol arid fro. It was not the tifHoe' girl, who %6t 15s. aiul lived in~tliO'"stilj-' urbs, who .travelled-.to'.and. fro oil the cars. Trftveiling, he remarked, dearer now than in the days of th 6. horse trams* Jjelicv^Ml--thnt^U»V'inl l i*oiluction of a univer&l bo. '. the be4>.thing J, Tho ; Mayor- irfiut' the- motion might bo amended to refer' only to tho ; question of sections. . , Councillor• Atkinson opposed tho suggestion, and remarked that V. was n scandalous shamc^ttajfrtftJ^ liung up.^just'-'bcca(lie 1 ot ! 'the views' of . ono man.';'.. llio words suggested by the Mayor could nofc.'lio . unnnimoi/sly .V/. -'-T 1 Hindiparsh objected to Councillor Atßinson^'remark. Hoi said "that lie had. iibfc l hiin^'"if|i ""thu;'*iAii'ttoi r .*iii' any : . way. the remark. If ho •had been I trying to mak.* political, capital, the observation might lucye hecii' justified. •He was acting with., t'lio • vo.vy be.st motives, andndl li.ricW' \yhyvhc'."had -been mi-' able to. at'tcuVd y Tne' ? nYec'ting;' : The Ala£ov said that ho would appeal •to tho council to decid«f»' {'he nv.ihi question that Evening, instead of having tho matter, in th& air. Councillor* HhirtdilTe tho opinion that' the.refeij&icrti of that portion of the report regarding" would affect the whole report.

Would there* bo Dnrigors? , CouneilUi'r'.'Barber,.'second kl the motion. He said that it .was choax-r to live in tho suburlH ierve.d.bV. the r.iiiwav (-.bun to - live in suburbs. Mjljjfch tlie (tram's, rail to. uiid that if that watt gniii; to coniimie it i ( would.not:milk» 10r...tin 1 of ilio tram-served .(to «irged ll\o council to mark-his words -that if bho board's fichemo wiis.-.igivon. cffkfc to, tin* cars going to Nejttov.n would. practically 'empty themselves-at John Str;*;l. and that'thero would be dead ruiiiiiiig-ibetwee'.L tho.Now- . town termiilus and .ji'lin Strict.; Tho day utter ;.thp.hoard's proposals had been' adopted IVe,':lia,d traveled', by tram to Miramnr, hud had 'he pleaenireof ,t-hb company y;ir member oi Parliameiit, riot a Wellington member, wlni had said that the schenic-was tho .-uost retrograde step', which coulil..bo adopted. ' -.- ... ■ , Counciljw;"t'terclim Who V': : Gnuncil'ori Barber: He was a man who ; . studies tlies'p tilings cicely, add knoivs whut he is'talking nonvt. Council! - :^'Fletcher- it Payne?'" Councillor-Berber; N\ it was -'not. He d,'dn't give me fain; h? ,7-ive me much pleasure. . .. Councxkr.jCan'or-m said I hat it would be a s.t:ou-i thing to part- the. hoard'? proposals ;::it wjh a (Inages.-.iw tiling to interfere with - farr-i end ' !--ec'tion«. At Home, iinUiicipjiljtjfc':iy.b' ! chL l lLid attempted these ajteratians h.vl found them•selves in 'worse difficult)!*, than .before. He agreed ;thai th?/Re-yal Oak corner was the lw-it place for cars to radiate from. That point %as objected> to ion the score of tho tfrribly lifavy trafTe. He had been in the; busiest cities jc( the worldLondon, Chicago, and others—and what did they do there? ■ They didn't shift, their penny sections away from tho / traffic; they got into it. In Wellington, the idea was to .move away • .from the traffic ami I ;get stragglers. Ho believed that a bad system of 'radjatiou wtiutd l>e I'Dspon-fiblc for tho creation of congestion ' and slums.' ' He was anxious to seo the matter considered again. Councillor M'Kenzie: Why go over all this again? . Councillors; Hear, hoar.-; •• Councillor M'Kenzie": I am just as weary of going over and over,. th.is as other c-ctmcillors are I move that the matter fhonld he not considered except-in tio far as i c! affects^sections.-.; ■ . » ■ Point of Radiation for Lines. ' Councillor M'Kenzie added that Newtown people could ride from the Wallace [ Street terminus. to the' Koyal Oa.lc for one pt-nnv,: aild that that, would bo taken advantage of. Councillors-, ought, to take I sucli things into eoiuiderotion 'beforerush- ; ing in*-and making 'alterations. Councillor ' Titzgerald seconded tho i - amendment. He said that tho Tramway

Board's rciport was an excellent one, and that if there was one fault with it that fault \vas the arrangement of the sections. •R» believed that, the J'oyai Oak corner was tho natural'centre c.f the eity.f He remarked that Councillor Barber bad bolstered up an indignation meeting at Newtown. He also mentioned the name of Councillor Cameron. Councillor Barber; I wish to give that, an absolute contradiction. I am accused of bolstering np an indignation meeting ".which I had nothing to do with. Tho .Mayor; Will you accept Councillor Barber's statement, Councillor Fitzgerald? : Councillor Fitzgerald: Certainly. A councillor; And withdraw tho remark? Councillor Fitzgerald (smiling); Certainly. Councillor Cameron; As to both councillors?. . ; Councillor Fitzgerald; Yes, both councillors. . Councillor Fitzgerald; Previous to tho fixing of the indignation meeting, or the notification of the public, Councillor BarIxr gave me an invitation to the meeting. Councillor Barber: That is not so. I said that Councillor Fitzgerald would be . invited. Tho Mayor said that regarding'criticism which hid been made by councillors outside the council chamber if what the newspapers ■■had reported was ■ correct, Councillor Barber had said that tho council had not wanted to face tho.'question of economy. Councillor Fletcher; Contrary to fact! The Mayor; Yes. that-statement is absolutely contrary to fact. His Worship added that the council had given that phase of the matter a great deal of consideration. It was remarkable that, certain gentlemen 'luul been taking upor.i thi'inselve.s the instruction of others, but they had not moved an amendment in a busino.?s-like away. (lle.ar, hear.) Kveu now there was no resolution to end the section at t!u>. fia.val' Oak corner. There had been intorminnbls talk nil round the subject, and he regretted that very much because it was simply a con-, tinuiitiun of a policy which had been detrimental to. the tramway system—that. •;f putting things oil'. He did not think that the baqrd's report could bring about a K'ttlement.of all the issues, but he had noticed that, where at first they w.jre laid 'that there was a considerable number of pcop;<> who objected to three sections'from Newtown to- the city, the council were now told that there should be three sections, and it had come down to a qusrtion of where the foetionsshould end. Wherever tha rocoml section was ended, sonic people would complain that they had been inconvenienced. In conclusion, lie said that the conneij would l» doing th? right thing to give . tho beard's report a fair .trial. Vote Taken—Report Upheld. Councillor Cohen said that tho argument that people would walk from John Street to Newtown applied to the' e-ity in respect of the prcp-witiou that the Royal Oak corner should be a terminus. Councillor Barber then rose to speak. He was ruled out of order by the Mayor on the ground that he had spoken to ths wain question and could n;t speak again. Councillor Barber £aid that it was still, open for Mm to speak to the amendment. ■ The Mayor said that he liad already ruled that Councillor Barber could not speak ajain. . \ Councillor Barber.; Well, I will not ptay here. It is n> use staving if you're j Hit allowed lo' speak. There is no sensa iii your ruling. . Councillor Hilulmarsh requested Councillor Barber r.ot to leave. • Councillor. Barber; I will stay and vote. AVhen tl'.a voto.'frin to bo taken, Coiiu- | cillor Buri/nr resumed his chair. He recorded his vote. . Councillor M'Kenzic's amendment was >thm put. It was defeated by. 9 votes to '). The division lisl was;— Ayes; • Barber,Cameron, Fitzgerald, lliuduiaTsh l , arid M'lCenzie. No?s;'The Mayor, Atkinson, Cohen, Fletcher, Frost, Godber, ShirtclilTc, Smith, and Trevor. Councillor Ilindmarsh'.s motion was defeated by ,11 votes to it. Following was ( the -division:—Ayes; Earlier, Cameron, and Hiudmarsh.-i,! Noes; .Tho Mayor, At-Icihson,-''Cdhen,'-'' Fitzgerald, 'Fletcher, Frost, Godber, li'Kcnzie,! Shiiiclitt'e, ; Smith, and Trevor. Councillor Barber then reopened the question of his. right to speak to tho i-iimchdmont.. He referral to Clause 3-1 of j.'tho"standing' orders, which >aid. that an t amendment- having been seconded itshould b? treated as a new question, and could be sjKiken to by every councillor. Tho Mayor said that he had given (unple latitude, and had not in any way burked discussion.

•KAROR! AFFAIRS.

Ttij fortnightly meeting of the Karori : .r>oj'ongh Council, was held .in, the council's rooms last evening. Councillor Ilil-' xirethAvas in tlii; cbaiv, and the following ''■fDuncillcrs were present; Messrs. Horn, Anderson, Stuudcn, Bradnock, Nimmo, 'Burn, .and .Hamilton. Councillor .Stundeu asked if tho City Council had any right to dispatch 15 cars .from Northland, ivhicli, according to tho time-table, is l«ing done,' when the council had only authorised that 13 be dispatched. 11was decidrtl to refor the mat- . ; ter to the Mayor,- before taking any steps in the matter.

' Councilor Burn moved a motion to the effect that a .deputation consisting of his Worship .the Mayor. and Councillors liorn ami Burn wait upon .Mr. \V. H. D. Bel], -U.P. (member for file .Suburbs), to ask him ta introduce the deputation, to the .l'i>rln:i:sie.r-(jf]iOTal regarding tile erection ..yf. the Karo-ri. i-csl office. ••••' Councillor 'Burn - gave notice to move ti-.fi following-motion..at the next meeting o; the council; "'l.'iiat the following fares <>a the lvarori tramway sjaU-m shell be charged oil Sundays—From the Botanical Gardens to Northland, any distance, in either direction, 2d.; from Northland to Johnston Street, 2d.; for the through journey, from the Botanical Gardens to Johnston Street, ■ 3d. Concession tickets issued by the Borough Council shall be available oil Sunday cars as usual. That tho above come into force a& t.oan as •feasible.'" Leavown? granted to.a proposed croquet club to use four grounds ou the lvarori j'ark. .■ ,

HASTINGS NEWS.

•Commission** ltiphards,' supported by Lieutenant-Colonel. Imsliov, Brigadier Bruy, .Major Carniiehael, and Captain outer, arrives'in Hastings on Thursday, uud is to bo accorded a civi? reception The ituuual Mawke's l!av ploughing match lias been tixed to > take plnco on Wednesday week. < -Mr. W. J. Stratton, >:ecretarv of tlie Jtlawke's Hav Jockey Club, aid Mrs. Stl'atton, who aro at present on a holiday visit in England, have booked their return passages by the Orient liner Otway, leaving London on September 13. Air. J. Lomas, Secretary for Labour, wis •in Hastings this week inspecting proposed sites tor workmen's homes. Great satisfaction has been expressed in local sporting circles of the handsome win secured by Mr. J. Hennah with Captain Jingle in the Grand National Steeplechase. . A great deal of interest is being taken by Hastings residents in the musical and elocutionary coriipatitions in Napier. A. large number of entrants are from Hastings.