AUCKLAND AGAIN.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 928, 22 September 1910, Page 6

AUCKLAND AGAIN.

I'pOVERNMENT -HOUSE "QUESTION^ if Sarcasm and ; points ;of;order. Wt CLAIMS t)F:fIIijHEREDIjCATIONi| lIS. Although: ICabinet,; overawed ;by-/tho its'■'•; proposal -;.evoked, /.';; i.ehahged 'its 'determination;to;|divert ;at','Aucklandt;'from; the '.'/.". I; purposes':;-, of a" - viceifegal -;■ residence,'. the ';/:>''Housb, has'yet'te;.agree; to.-the!,yotb?that, i|: : ;;Villl/b'e; necessary -if Goyernment l-'HoiiSB i/Kvis-, tb.be'; retained; ; /;iThat;;therp ; ;will.b'a ;;-:;//some'.opposition,' to this-vote ;wasi;indithe House' yesterda^' seve-'/ ral,;members,.l chiefly.;'reptesenting.;.Soutli i yiyi Island^^:|cohstituehoies;.;brisHy' : ; attacked :;:.';.Auckland's,claim for.the retention'•jof'-;the. The fact; that : . the - House .-.'was, ;,;,'. 1,/' discussing., answers.. to ''questions .afforded •;,9p;''aiifoppbrtuni^'-&r, ; .a:'pfdtfaotedf.d4scussibn' ///v/f bn'ithe and I though -Mr., Okey; at S-.'V 6ne'stege.;sbught;;te;/cast Taranaki/oil'pii l-!'-p the..troubled -waters, I the debate; continued 'i//:: r , ; ; during.;, a I considerable. --portion- of ;the. /^^Rftemobnysl/^-^l;/':;;/;';'//;.: ; •/;;:„"; /';":';.-'; •/' yC/;;l;/i v v;;:;;'AI; : piplomatic ; ./Answer.; ;;■-.;;:,;!;'; ■: I hj S I; './:Mr':' G. .-■ (Avon) ; led|the > south-; ;> : :/ ; ; ,crn:i'attackers...'.He. had; asked the Tribe SlUrlMihisterrwhether.'.sceingthat the'.Gove.rn-' .%rf merit have,'.'now"'.arranged .for/.'twol-parr '.-vll/rdanient: residences-' for/'Hisl-Excellency./in. '.;:;.:; the''North;lsland,'; they,.will; bring:"doyjif l ;;■/;/;, legislation'to enable permanent. residences I/; i: |: Ifpi'.j;His'/ Excellency;:^^^to., bo.V^established-in ; ,;;|//-theV:beautifuJ,;:healthy;-:and invigorating; .'f/'V;;; thel'Sbuth: Island. I; Diplomatically ; enough ; ; r lr". Itho, 'Prime. Minister replied:' ',1 /concur: as I ./•■>/.; to/"the :;attractivehessl:.and'.-; s'liitability.vbf. l/l^/.the,.twp/.charming'-cittes^lreferfed,to,, but! .fl'/i ith'ereas.'-'nbllpractical:: need' 'for,ifurther; :;..: : ; : ; ;Tesidentiai: places •,fbr;;-His;:Ex'cellency,l| : the ?£r. <3over ! no'r. : , whehj such /'admirable /houses'; in; y of; the/localities.;ria'med ;/cari' .be "ob-; ;.';;;.;itained,-.from:,time"toitime'/as desired;" I;",-. ■vi'v.s.V;s.'li;'';,th'is'':: answerV; mean's;; anything,:..;it ;:;;;vjmeans;that "permanent'' residences'/;aTe/;iibi.l ./ ; .';,/|lto-be established/.'forl:|His;Excellehcyl/liu; /;-;;: Christchurch.. ahd/Dunediri/ibecause.; Ipri--available;'M , said. Mr; I'/Contihulhg/ ■• the;/'mehiber yfpr. ;i/v/;-AypnV'cbmmetide'd■•••rtn'p .Gbyernnient:; for' /;,;;;, : lavihg';.;.decided' : :;;•; I-''purposes.:,- /'He ■■was/'sufprised.'/at//the \ agi-;i|:i;ltatibn-/:thatr'hnd;!;followed'; this':decision ':..;,;&; favour .^ l-K'ja-iirblib. '!of:; : th^;.|timp;/when 'Aucldan'd.■wasjthel,seat;bf/Goverhment:/;l;Th : e;uhiy;ersity,: ■ •y/;library;'atvAluckland-was;one of.vthb;';tjuSi; ;/:; .university'libraries••;■iri.::tthel' v '.Db-:.' JS-St iininibn,'.;-,but;,lif - thei/people',' iveroiisatisfied. ;.;,;.."vith;: the ;• presenti'college/buildings^.and .-fj'i 'itheir|'site,:they^"did' not/uhderstandvth'e: //;> importance;'of"higher/:cducatibnVforUthe : ,!'i; that •Ithe.neople/'bf/the/horthern/city '.had' J■'."•fciliioing - the-'u'mv'ersityl.johl'.the'best-.situa-; ;?,:; ?)to.; the;. city:<ih; education' 7 ;matters; : ;>;;;: ; ;/ : v ;^'j:yH Vice-Reg ;'l'K ;it;;>rf;;:; l mpre;./';impprtahce/.v^to ;;'.::;.;;a:.;ci^ I i./llai-mereg^berhat'orial.resideh ;/»' ; ;Se;bccupied;forya;:morith:.or,;;two;;;iri;;the; fe;?l"iJ?ar^'-*;.The"':-.ansTfer'':'had-v.beeiil'.-:^ ;l.^jAuckland//Sahd;/ ; itv;might';ibe,ktakcn : /v :;; : ;//. sAuckland's^^/estimato'jbf'what higher'.edur,. ;;' ;;/(Catibn"', meant j't'b. : a^/city;;' i/Hei did - ; ;■ ■hot. '■s/. Uthin¥;/th'at;' the" petitions'; that;;had :bebh" ::,;,.;jpresentedl'/in'lfaybur.'llbf••tho .-retentibn;"bf |:;'- : :|Gbvernment:;v-Hbus;e. ;-ihdicated;' educated ,;';;|^ubljciojpinibn; ; m : :the:;riorth.f.v l '>'iJ/S;:y^ ./I;!/.:.; //Mr.-'Glover.V|'Ybursh'ould;withdraw:.thbt; V';;;/;?;- ; Mr;>/ftussell :/,:'':unless:'l^ ; transgress./:ffie''lforrhs:;b£ .'./ th e: -/./ -;!/.-•''.;,"'/;/./' :■■';: >;l': :; ::;;;; /?-:i '%*!. ;; ; :; ;| :;|;/ ;Mr,;vKsner / .Central) vsaid fti:/|th6;pebple;of/;Au'cklahd;vhad/realised that ,v; ;;jthey, ;had: only;. tbjshbuc', loud' enbugh-'ahid/ :/; 4 fthey:'could:get .anything';/; No' 'doubt; thejp. ■f'tvouldf'get / ai Ithere.:;; i,,i '-'}■"];'-it^Mr.'- Poole i'-^WjS'iae "going to-haveVit, fe'b? ;.;<;; yMrXPisherlV;ll Vthink -.they'-will '"get;l.it. : ;|;*>fTherelare : nb people/in;: New/ Zealand at i'; > ".\ |preseht : jvrHb.'.realise :'|mbre'. strongly/.that /';;';; ;they/;hav9.;bnly-'tp^cbmbine;,;ahd:.as'they; .1; J y/ibldllfive ;citj/.: seats, '&;i thing. J i'^^yXi^'X'.:^:'^!y'i^>^iy^-\t-.- )■ // ; |7WMr.%Myers;; (Auckland; -East); saiid'.-i'-'that'. ;;-,-:';;(AucHand.,^ providing 'adequato .buildings for: ;,fl : ;;universify:/;phrposes; : :te ,'i/;:.s'He';agreed-'/with''M (yil/tß^nt/iumyer'sity:; bjiildiiigs ;;:a't'! A-uckla'nd, ;#:,; were /a/disgrace'l tcrall'. cbhcernedj-; and 're--. ;•;*,>.::tarded; the.'oppbrtuhities which:,"shpuld:,be'.' higher; education;; ..^;..;i;'As'-&r^ :" ll: .:,ed;';'the:sb ; Qth;era/^ ;i;.;/;tb|appreciate'the'aspiratibnsl'bf|;tt -/ ::|;/?Jand;-pebple." ! -;i', Theiflaspiratibhs'/were.'bn/ ,;i;,-:|':a'lhighbrllbyelHh'an'those';bf ;sbme of/the, y:;";;';Sbvfthern:;pebpleV'/:;It: ; was/ clear' that" the / ~*! southerners i I did;Vnbt > : :f ollbw;,;' Auckland's; .;:.;; jreasbns/for'.declaiming ;::;,, : rbf.'the;Gbvcrh|ment'ih:,taldrig;aw /•'yliad ibeen-'described/.as :a; relic'of. the'past.;; •v>,'!'vS:- : '-;'''^ ;;';l : ; : -',',:AucHanders'were;;a:;6ehtimental:people,; ;/;; ; : ahd'sentimentyn regard'tbVAucHojid'.had ;.:r';proved';th'e' ; .mbther: of :;hatiohal.and: civic ;, ; :;,;'l Ipride. : It /had/manifested; itself : in 'a ! l .strik-; :.;, if/'ihg. manner lini'so/farxas-.there ./.was'no '';'i;bther ;city;/in.l'New.;;Zealand /which/had l ' I;/';! liDmefit^;|in//regard/'to";; publio:/: institu,•;/■;;.tiphs so.'much/.asAucHahd./'Wheh/.itlwaS'l v./-. found'that lit wasljih tended-by;the;.Gov-' ': v : -;.:. ; erhment, i 'without .;ahy.;:,reference;/:to ;:,the": ; : ;,7,'people;:to':'take";sbmething;which "was cbri- .;/;: .nected: with ./matters :associated .'with I the '(/..'v/early. history; bf.'Auckland/ and'of ;the ;Db- , : ": jmihibni'.'/it/'was/brilyl;reasohablb';to| isup-i ;./ ■'i ;,.pose; that 'they. would: get'.up'/in: arm's' and ■j/!;;-|6ay-;"Hands;off!";i;Aucklandidid;not ask' .;;;"; a-new ''Gbverk"lv/.ment /Hbuse,'; neither: would the-retention /:-■ i-of .the;present; building interfere'ivith: the ;::/;/;, carrying -out:-..of i: a n ..uprto-'date university .;;;■" scheme.' i The educational.'. authorities: "in '/;; X Auckland!.were; satisfied, that;if the'.Go vi ';'/;.'..■.ei-n'mehtis;; scheme .were,.:.adopted - ample ;;;;, ground was proposed', to/be set I aside for' a >:,■■ /6ite.,:,;There ; was.nb.l.grbuhd-for.,-declaring .';;y,that Auckland'was parochial'in/the mat.ll.l ter,"for;the/people of,tho;north were jus;:/;:;ti/ied;iin:;their 'desire: to zealously;;: safe-' '■':,. I. guard whatever 'relics ,'of: the",past;stiU-re-;,:■•.;,main;.; The.ipeople'/of/'Auckland.'were'de-;: ;:;:'-termined:tolpress'lthe heed :f6r : '-thei/'ereo-' ■;.: -,-tion;^-'of :ah; up-to-date, university;'-and ; -thp.' ;,; ; ! Goyerhment.'-had-hbw.sugg'estea a.scheme. ///-"B-hich/wpuld/nibet requirements:for many .;.;;:/jearsltb cbmefcHe .wpuld have'beeniglad' ivrte-'/see./the Mount Edenlrifle range' used - c .;: : :: : ;for.'kniyereity.'purposes;/' i : l ;.£:•••':-I, ; :,' \ >% CountryyAgainsiKtwb/l Vice-Reaal:,'Houses. .' ;:■' Mr.'/Forbes".(Hurunui) protested' against' ;// ;the. /expenditure;, "of ;furthcr/'mbhey • • 'ba ../l.'Gbverhpr'Sf'-;residences. had .;.,.,; takenlplace :ih|/the; Civil. Service in the i:.,;.: interests;;of':economy, ;/Pollowing'on 'this :;we;;ha)i,spent." nearly,,' forty thousand '..pounds': on; a'Governor's, "residence/in.'-Wcl-'-I-; 1,. II lin'gto'n,' ; and-he -thought this was "enough -■:. -"■;. for a'.small; country,; arid ■.for', one he pb^' • jected:to auy.expcnditure:bn'Goviirhriient .I; House, at Auckland.-' He'did. not' desire. ;;;. to show; any! disrespect, to "his. Excellency,- -' but'.hp. tliqught; : it was .entirely against -.-,-'. the; wish' of, the .country that this house ;' : slwiild be; reopcne'd,-'-.-'.and'-thatlthe cohse- .;/ '•'-. quent annual expenditure, on it should be ".'..-•I-;-undertaken.. ':".;,; '■:''.■:. I'l'/ >./;l: I-.:":.. ' ; ~ ; : Mr.;'Lang (Manukau):' said there' vscre : .plenty -of:, other .sites'in Auckland -for'-'a .':,-/■ university.-besides .the Government' House Bite.' ;.;::../: '-,-. ?'■';:, w'- : r:r '.'■■'■ '..'■' -Mr.-;E.;H.|"Ta'ylor: No, we have not. ~:' -Mr. Lang added that I. every/.Governor .:..:.;;.that! had come to New: Zealand-, had .had .;/ "the privilege'of. two' Government. Houses. I; ■ ;| /'. "The hon.- gentleman for.Avbn is trying /.';;: .to perpetrate a'huge joke upon .tho sen-./.isitiycand'/pati-iptic' gentlemen of the north,".|. declared Mr.. Poole . (Auckland :'!•■'.: West):' "Mri..Poole /assured the/ House, : ../however, that this littlesqiin.il/wouldnot ..cause' Auckland members to : capitulate. -.. - / Auckland was to be the naval base for^ . I; |: New Zealand, and -the Governor's',' resi- .- donee, would .serve a. double purposo in '-'/;; accommodating, the Admiral- of .the Fleet. :■.;; The public spirit -.bf the people of Aiick- ■ -;'' land-had enriched its; institutions.' The I I ambitions of-'tHejleity wero not' going! to ,'.-:'. bobaulked'by any such, joke as llr. Itus-. . sellls question.;" Auckland was keen- to -..;.'. get its .university! as well.as Govern- . .nient.House;.; ■■'•. . : --:-:'-;' ; ,;!;. S ; Really; a': University Site! ~ .Mr. E;H. Taylor'(Thames) said Auck- :.' land did not supply' all: the students for ~. .the" .University,', and .he; drew 'attention to the fact-that on Hie maps in the survey office,',; away back in the seventies, i the I grounds referred to I were.,/marked

"University site." The matter was not going to be so easily settled as some people imagined by that peculiar petition which had, been sent to'_ Wellington. Tho better, olass of people in Auckland had Inot-yet'been'consulted. (Hear, hear,, and laughter.) - Mr. Glover (rising excitedly): A point of order, sir! A point of order! (Laugh'terO,: v ." ; -"Ui. ■:'":-'. ■-. ' : Mr, Speaker: What's the point of or-, dor? '..-■ Mr. Glover: He is reflecting on the ■■'■■•'-.■■'''.■■. I An,Hon'. Member: That's not a point of. order.;. 'iZ-'Zj ■ Mr.. .Glover: The point of order is that he is diverting from the subject. (Laughter.) .. -~ ' . ~,,: .. . .Mr. '/Speaker -.'ruled:, that 'Mr. Taylor had' hot 'transgressed. '.■-' _ , . ; '•.■ Mr. -Myers rose, to another point ■ of order. ''"'ls," he said, "the hon. gentleman, right in- casting reflections on tho better,.'class: oi' : .'people Wn-, Auckland? (Laughter.) '.' I, have reason to know that the:better'class of people^--- 1 "-I ', ; Mr.,Russell: That's not a .point of order; ■ ■:,' "■•",-'■' ..'".' : -Mr. -Myers: II think I it's a reflection oh"a' section.,of. the community, and tho hon. gentleman is '.not justified :in, .using, it;., ,■■•.'■ V,.:.::: ! . ■ :. ::',r ■ Mr. - Speaker.:; The statement that the .better: class of people have'not been con-, suited, is no 'reflection..on. them. (Cries' .of "No," and "Hear," hear.")- I .': ■■.'.; :■ Mr;."Taylor proceeded-4d reiterate his, statement about, tho map, . and .added. ; that the Agent-General /had- told •' the first. professors :■', that.' Government House was to be ;their'future college. . ' An I Hon. .Member.:-No., v ' Mr. Taylor: I Oh, l but'- it "Is' a' fact. :He • added that university ..work 'was far more, important.to tho,magnificent north than having ono;\or two fashionable..turn-outs in a year, and - probably the Governor . living there a : little while; If Christchurch land Duncdin, could .do without a-1 Government House; surely ■•; Auckland coulddo-- without!' it too.. * One was sufn-Ipient;''-(Hear,^hear.)',|l; ; ... ■ .;;.' ~" Vironicai Remarks by: Mr. Lauronson.., 'Xlit. LaufehsPn (Lyttelton): said that ;ho ■ was. 'I surprised: ■■ that any, .town' .outside. ' Cbwtowri". 'stibulcl- ;riave'-acte'd:,'asAuckland ■had: done,; in. connection.: with" this.mat-tcr;'T,:-Imagine :a : city saying .that; it: did. hot want; to; have -.'a university on : the ■best'v site 'available j '.but::; that the i. site 'should ;be ! '':use'd^forf-a,--GovernorV. residence;'- Iwhe're. the.l-.pekiplev'ceuld I'.do lafbit •of ..toadying. ».• 'ffhere were two humiliating, aspects of the''matterVl(l) ;Thiat: there I'wasl : a .tojwn^with/more'l'than^twenty-sevehlin-habitants"rth'at;'.:w'buld''-have:|; acted,-as Auckland:'had'. .done;,|lan'd'.-,(2);,:that.lthe I Government- ,; wals - so; ; .weak,-as: :to 'back ■down, in favour: of-such',;ar'contemptible: :agitation;;; J Tho,■"number., of.;'peoplo ; , who were::concerned . in,.-the•:; agitation: were.' ■infinitesimal;;': land II could'vh'aye n'dre'd. '■■;■ Whatever- : looked ;' at The claims 'of;; Auckland:, asiial naval,,-base had-; been:-.urged|:.rby.|'Mr.-;:Poole. ■'; ."Why, : . •frbm-;/aj: shipping'^.-point ;;'p£4vio'wv'., 'Aucfclandl was hot'leven 'a'lßecohd-'rate;. port.. ■Thei-tonnage' entered >arid v 'cleared" alt •; Wet'.' lingtoh'i last'year .•.It6'fallod:4700,000 tons; at Lyt'telton,viylO'Q,ooo:-tbhs;,; .whilst,',.'at Auckland ■ ; yt^;totalled^V-only : ; 2,100,000..; :(Lau'ghter.)' 'Vf:l.'H': ■'■ :•.;' j.:":": : ';.■,.?'. :■:, Mr.-vGlpyer :'<.; What'l'' about ■:,•■■ jtranship-■■me'nt^'?:'-:-.v.':'v',-'- iVV-:'vV"?;^ '"■ .'iv' .': " ■^I'Coh'Hhning.-.^Mrii^Laurenson,-said :that the 'takenvupl ;by:.vAuckland ; ; ih the.-matter!-was: beneathi'oontemprt.'i;,o.nly, the .'other' day:'a valuable^liSatl,belonging. :hadr.tum'p4'd:ih-,gbiiig..doVn.,the;,har&M , ! Mr.vMyers ' hadVassured: the. House', that '•.Auckland..'had: : sh6wed, : ;'solid'..front in; regard.; to /this, matter.-i"They-,!showed;Jonly: 'front"'y-rand'. ; ',!'hbtUng'^ effrontery 'VhS.v:iiid^.'n^t' ; X»P^Af;''* l^y i ** r i l, S". ;in'' his : "Parliainehtary eiperience to equal'. ■$% ?reozy;-:jKterjude) Vi;-;:!i',;', , ; v '■" "We dbn't:;want'lar';uuiTe sake-igive'Lusv-alGoVefnor.'s .residence.'.'-.-.-';< I'lMrJ PooleV;'We;;did^t/sa : y''that.':'-' :|;,'). ~;'•:Mr;. Laurehsbn-.'My : (feelings are. getting: :the;betterbf'me, : sol':tMhk,that I.ought. '■ to /stop'. =;'V,: :: ;l:;:; ;;r:;: v.': •:'';:.:. '■'.-!'/ •,f. , .'son-. v 'was.'-ju^dfied> : -stating ■■ a ; f act: itfle'!h'a'd;sfaied ; that; Au'ck-'. ; lanldGdid'. ! n6tVwa&t r .- | : ;/ ; ;,-::-.-..:.; I'.Mr.-Speaker replied.. that,lmembe'rs could. ;give^their;.own';,.op)nibhs' ; ; no ..matter, how erroneous;they might.-be.'',- ';.. / : ;:;r:;l;'"■,-','■ ; V ; Mr!'- Poland :'; He ■;Ji"as. not,;.mado; a state-! ;meht |bf ;Jact)sihceVhe 'y£ : ': : :.v|/': ; ;v '■:|ll Mr..' 'I 'I/aurehson' (cbhtinuiiig).: : said: :; that, when ■ it! caihe .'to ■,taking! the;': best I site ..'in' : ;readence;':''/tH^-:''hadv;^d-:'.-.--:'.^e/'-'want i : .Barabbasl-every.l time.ll.-.11-Giyel ,US; a,- IGbv-; lerhor's• residence; ■n-here we'can/ldo, a'ibit of :';toa'dying.";Vy .1t;..: was. /'ri'diculousi - f of; Auckland, to; lay. any, claim : to be regarded! 'as ;a : /cbihing- navalf base/ii Why;; in,nine fears .Timarn; -Poverty/-BayiV-Wellingtbn, ioft'C.halmeTSjvand'.Lyttelton.tonnage had ■ ■inerease'dl-'by .100', per. : :'cent. J il.whereas -Ithe Itqnnage.: of,-: Auckland ■: had.,.'inoreasedi. by.' only. M perl, cent; . The 'olaim,: was Isi mply / , ludiorous.;' I: (Laughter.) • )When : he ■ heard allvl'thia. about.;,'-Auoklahdfs,,','importance from; a^nayal:'point; of; view/.: he ■plyiappalled. /-'He his', .best/to see: that.'hot |a.,single .penny;,was.spent : on residence. ;,.'He: did. not:grudgevthe.expenditure:bn ; the'residerice in, .Wellington,•; but Ifbri: a" small. ppuritry^like'this'ione.vice-regal, resddehce .was'■'.suffioient.V; After'; the;. ( receht:: depress "could: :be I. spared, 'If or ■,f urnishingi.and ; main!tainihg a second IGbyernoT's/.Tesidence..-.:.-. -v■';'•'.' ■ i.\>;i;/ .Mr; ; ;Gloye'r-.to;the. Rescue;;,/:;;';;:;,;. 1j:Mr..1.A.. E.:-Glover; (Auckland.: Central- ) that:;the '20,000;:"persons •' who., signed; the.'petitibh.'.'.he.iihadl presented: had been 1 calumniated.' I'.Hel^wasall/inl'favour. ,that alnew:university.should be erected,' 'and .hoped that; the: Governmept.would .make ;Erovisi<m'.'for(:it;V:'-'"Tho'.'rifl«'-;.fan'ge' l at'Mohnt. Eden was-admirably suited for' .the /purposes .of.-a; university, and.-, was within, thirteen' minutes 'of the. city.; The Ipresent'Governor's residence I had many historical, associatipus. - -.Mr./ Glover; con-.-eluded,.by ; , assuring^.the,'.House..that, .he .would usq.eyeryVoonstitutiohal means at his//disposal.:'to ;.prbventl;lahy,l, portion" of. Government House' grpunds.'beingv alien-'-'atcd from. the people.'"-■';• ) ; '-,-Tho.'resumption of'; ordinar.yi:|business precluded-.. further :discuacaon-j on the -,subject/: ;i/;i,//;' : ;,/;;;/' : ;.:' ->;/;/v'/'/v;■■. ■. -;;