"TAMMANYISM"

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 887, 5 August 1910, Page 6

"TAMMANYISM"

fv - PURCHASE'oHeRIVATE ESTATES.: |< ; ;,;-AIiEGED WRONGFUL COMMISSIONS "|: } k m HINE DEFENDS HIS CHARGES. .jf.-; .There-were some warm references in ;!■ ''thei House yesterday to the- remarks 11;.,;'.' made by Mr. Hine, M.P.-for. Stratford, ';[...- ;,-anv.Tu'esday evening, when, in. asking . ;! ..---tha't a Royal Commission, should ,be. set :.;; ' up.; to report on the eircumstahoes sur■j .. ■ -rounding the .'.'sale,: of all private- estates ,';!; . "to Hhe Crown;, he' alleged : that- oiie , or ,hL-. . ~ more ex-members, of the House had re-' ,''V: : : celved, sums of money by way of commis- ■ :f;.-.': :sioi from ; the 'owners;.-.':in-'"- connection . ;[: ; vwith'oneor'more transactions/ "-,■•.; Vi; . /. When if camoto his turn to speak on the;.'Budget,-Mr.;Poole;M.P. for Auck- , !.,: -land; West, declared .that ,Mr. Hine had -:;;:, . \waded, into matters where, angels ': •:):'■'-,• . would fear to tread, and'.left an .impres-' ,1': , sipri—on himself. Truly,; Mr.; Hine had :''^ '•■■": :to' be 'admired- for.'his courage. It was, : , rjl... ■'however, ■ that. Mr. . IHine :,];: .should;again wade in-.this,'.year after,his' ';(}?. experience; last' session,- when,ho ventured '.•'&!'. -to ,'toucri on:financial matters. He .'.fj-.. would 'have thought that. the experience - ?-''■■; ,' would' have -saved him--from: getting into. .:,'!. trouble again..- ~: ~'■;..: •: v :: j's .-■'-;; The Prime Minister:-Hear, lear. ■'.; ■ "'.' U:w ; '■%'• : -'Attack, on Mr. .Hine.' '■ -.::['-,-• "tn- the course of his remarks," 'co'n--if ■ tinued N Mr.. Poole,,."he; made accusations ~-;'•:; .. of :!Tairimahyis'm'.''';' -The impression that ■:- jj'-.-• ho .'left -was that-some members' had. been /It .--'guilty.- of Tamrnanyism.; '..-:.■ 'v. •i\ : ;.- 'Members: 'No!-' No!.. '■'.'' ■' ',-■' ;';;-,.'. 'Mr:' Poole:.'l.say'thrit'he''left that im- '-.;,'.']:-. pression -on this House, and that ho will :'' .1;.". nave to .remove it. : .'..- .';...--...:;■' ■ -.- :.:' 'Ii ; :;,Sif; Joseph; -Hear, hoar. ; ':;■:■■■] ;; -v )\■•-. '':; Mr.'' Poole':.-.He .left a. dark brownVtaste ]''■:-.-£' ;an the mouths; of hon. gentlemen'who ■}i~i' .;-'havo "a good deal of : respefct, for" him ■ '•-.'";.". otherwise.. i am informed:that he"Vefer- :■; ;t;, red to some gentlemen.or -gentleman who : ■' ;: ia not now'in this House. .-.- : -': 1 • -, ; s- '■'~■"' Bit Joseph: He is dead, -v.:.. .. '.■■:....-. . '■'!!,-.'.- ' .Mr; Poole: Yes ;Vit is the meanest kind_ ..' I;'j'..1;'j'.. of; criticism 'to hit a-man" in-nis'coffin,' '■-•■'• ■!;.■'.•■■who:;can't, answer..; ; : .' : -.:' ■'""'■'"■ .-'.;■!).'■'..- Sir Joseph:-Hear, hear.'■■'-,;•'■ •,"'' : J:" Ml.. Poole'; If anyone'-.were, guilty of ' -... '; anything of ;the ■ kind; I ;wonld' he pre,l, ;i.-". paj'ed-to-figkt-with luiin- to clear.up- the ;.;.-,'matter—but I would not .hit; a. man who '.:'. is' in-ihis-'coffin.:,-That is, what I call ; a ■-;;; ■mean'trick.:-" '•'.•''■',-■'"'<,"■/■'■,':■ :.' ' : ' . ',V|. : Sir Joseph: Hear, hear. , . :..-,;:: ..iMr.-Hardy: He did not;.'aiid he didn't, '■'-'/,-.:■..lifer .it;'•;':•-.- ■'}."■;•■..''■■■■.■■':■''■';■'■"■ ~ ; : "'■■';'&■'. ,:,Mr.-' ; Po6le added .that.'.if Mr. Hine were: ~'.,'|j a:refornier'.in the true.sense of the term. ..:.■;.• then :he '.should "have given the details,' ,:,;;:; and he-,(Mr.- Poole.) and others who were' ,:: Ii; there to' see that; nothing of the'nature. -'-~■;.':'((': -suggested should: be allowed: would, help . '.'v. him;to,;see it to.the sweet or,the bitter :-:.-r;i'Bn'd.:;- : . .'.;■;.,■' i '■' , ;''■: :v ; ,■■;'- ; -:'-.'-' ':.-:--''• '~-y-:;V ■■;-.-:.-".-'-.■ .-.'.'Not'.a : Member.''; I;; ' 'i' ■-.■: Upon ,re-enterihg 'the. House '(he .had' :; -■ ;''.'he'en ausent';wliilst \ Mr.'Poole' was';speak- '•'." -'I'li'ing); Mr. 'Hine, by way,of a ■'personal ex- • ; ':■•■. .-'•:/}[ planation, stated, that lie'.uhderstood.Mr:; .:.:. ':! l'oolo had charged' him -with- casting an ." :; .,;; aspersioh-'bn:the-memory;of a'dead man": . : ,:.j';He..'would like.tp.'take'that-opportunity. ';-.!«.t0 give.'ithe 'statement''aii;: emphatic de:J:<: if nialij :,Whcn'he : nla'de his statements the ;,'';,-[''.|i other.evening he did-so.with a fullknow--7." ily. ledge uof ; the responsibility which; rested • ; ;; ; ;---.i,' upon; him.'-■; His.statements.had:no re-. j..:.'i' fererice to. any dead-man.' If he, had done ji' ; ! ;: as.::had. been suggested .he' ;would have ' .■;■'.'•';-' i|; ihad'just. as much - contempt -for himself r-,: ';: as Mr:, Poole'would have J had.: He would '■'.! ';■:.. ; ■ only,-repeat 'that' if ; any, stigma attached v-'-'AiiP the, members of, the,'Hpuse;.ih. regard -.-.-'■ v: te his statements' it was in 'the hands of .;■;';'.I I ,members of.the House to support.his con-; ,-':,''■','- tention that-a copimissibh. should be-set' :.^r:ii\-np:~..yhyyl:r' : / :r [-;y <'■;.'•',■.■-,} .:.;;-/; , v.; -;.ij,. The Prime Minister said that Mr. Hine ':,::"':'.ihad'declared "outside that it; did not re-.;.-;;|,fer to a.-member'of the House. Now ho :,-:.:. itiniplied'that'it did.. ,;• , ; 'r;<-:.'-:r : ''Mr;--Hihe':- N0.,.; -.;„■.■ 1J. .-.■'.',;".■;'..'. ;"' :;:.:,:' "Sir; Joseph: youjshould state who >;.-; •::: JjThere .was'ai belief that it refers -;<■--:•- a;'dea'd'.man: ■ '.; ','''':.-■"■'- '-,'•; '"' .:;:,'; irM'r.'Massey,: .No, hedenies.that. •'"'."• '■'. : _:'-.*.'..0i: Sir, Joseph Ward.'said.-that,he. knew ,a ;; .'' '.jinember who had passed\away ;who. had ;}.:;.' : ;,called.-upon ,him-'in consequence ,6f some ■",":'.-'-V- telecloral. accusationwhich'had beouinade ';;,.";,; against him. .: This member had ex- ";-;.. 'irjlained, the; circumstances 'to him, and '::;;.!.- "'etated: that;' upon -'the reassembling. of ,:>. .' ho.wanted',a commission, set : ; ' -.'■ ]yp tpihquirc;into the w-hole matter.That. -.: ;'.-■ -gentleman-' was -'.the late Mr.'• Remington; -■.'v.:,'.ahd.'he had asked him (Sir Joseph)-what ': v , ;he was prepared •to do. He (Sir Joseph) ';;;." '"'■': 'had;told him: that he'would 'ask- the :V :: jHouso to set. up a. commission, in regard '■,'_ ■'; ; ',to the matter in,fairness to him.. Before :--:, ;;;the.House again met, : however. Mr. Hcm- .:;,:'.. Ington' had passed away:;;' ' ~■ ': .-•:.. . ' :|r ■' Why; Not Have a/Commission? :' 5.'';.-. ; j'-'-.'"-;-'-Jir."i'Hine.'-ha'd stated;that.-'-.'-'he".-' (Sh ~,;: :. .' 'Joseph)., knew;, he knew of nothing.-ex-:;-.ljept.tb.at'.matter. He'sho.uld state who'it .. -' r i'lvas'if anything was wrong instead of al- ;,. .".flowing-, the -whole House to.' be .reflected :/' : :;«iipon. ; - .' ; : •-.•"■■. ■:,-... ; 'A member,: .What about a commission?', '..";;, -.••:■':-Chorus of members: Why not give him ,"-;'.■;.-:..'Hi commission? ':'''.•'■-' '.;'.-"' : '.'"v''.-.'." ; - ;: -' ; - '';,;:'.: '.■': Sir'Joseph:■ Before a commission can ;■■■■'■■',:.' ilje'..set'-;"np some definito chargo Bhduld be :■■:,. inade;..and. against whom the ;':-:■: "(liharge is made should be named. But-Mr. ; ... ,•■'•..ffino,'does'' nothing; he .allows an.-aspev- ;,-.'.; ribn to be cast tipon someone in the ) . ( Olouse. • It reflects on him for., making a '.:,;', 'lieneral charge." .;,'-'-; ."•,.'■'.' ;,;:;. ' ; ;..Mr."T. E. Taylor: As,he is'protected in .;;.-,-. ,lhe.House,,'he might "mention tie name ; .right avfayl ,; '"•'';''., V ,;:'Mr.; Poole said" that ho was. just: as I ;'";'.-' inxiousto" see that Tammahyism'did not .'•''.';.-. aWse.asanjvother.member. He did not .-; '.ytarit. to criticise. MT..''Hine.;unneccssar- ,'..;' ily.: -If Mr.' Hino made- a chai-go he j--, should stand by it, arid memljeri would ~; ,636 him. through'.with it::.;/-, ' .'.■'!'' v *' What Mr. .Hino. Desires.' ;' - :. '-'Mr.-Hine declared that-itvwas his'de- ... ■ .rare'to elevate. :the politics, of - this, coun- '..-.-■: ' b:y.-(Hear,'heafs.) He w : ould like to'see ■'- -,a commission set,up- into the : -vrhole of the purchases of public estates '. -.' -bjt;the Grown from'private individuals. ".' ":-.-•-. '-,Sir-Joseph: charge. . ■■"' ■ Mr. Hine; You .want me',to.name.only ... oiie'individualj.ldon't want the'inquiry .;,:■;: -.; ,;t(i'be confined to one case.-'-.There"should, ..;--. ..,'■ iij my b'pinibh,;be. a commission to go the .: length and breadth of the - Dominion. ' ; : •'.;'; Mr.' Hanan: A' fishing expedition. ".' v' .: [Mr. Hine:;No,vnbt"a'fishing expedition. .:,;-'.-vtlTepeat again that it was- onlj' in order .. 'to', elevate. the political atmosphere of this -',-;, ..;.,,-'Dj)minion that I have taken this stand. '.■?■:':.'.'. Sir Joseph, replied that.. Mr.. Hine had :•;:. *tited that-' : he.-khew all about-the case. ~...; H'3'said, so distinctly to -a. member/of the -; : . , House: Outside, hosaid-it «-as;a former ~ -• :; : rmimber. of the House. He,had.made no : defihife charge, and' he '..wants a 'roving ;,-,■■ commission.--Mr. Hine had-made a.dis-. -.'", tinct' charge' against'someone, 'and -he 6hiuld name tho' person i'n fairness to the House. Now he.sheltered himself behind a demand for a roving commission. '. Ho • . ;, should get up and .say. hbs. had made a .- mistake. . '•'■••■ ~,, .- ,•'.;■ .— An'hon. member: No fear. '■ Sin Joseph Ward: He left members under the. impression that .'it was' a dead - .'. man. - ■ . '■ : -'■ - ■•>■:' ' , Mr.; Hardy: That may; have' teen the' impression over there, but not here. - Prime Minister Declines to Give an ~i ;. . Assurance. Mr;, Malcolm asked would Sir Joseph '-■/ : , War ' i '- a K!' ee i J o ? commission if the mem- . ber for Stratford made an explicit charge» ■;..'..,' Would the Prime" Minister give 'an ' as- ;■'.-.! -suranco. to that effect? ' . . . : -.'■;';'■'■; ' A Government member: let's hear what ■ ~ " ' it is first. • -'..-.Ail Oppositionist: Oh,' no. ■-;. .", ;-,Mr.;Malcolm: You-know ho. has mado : th(l. charge.; Mr. Ngata: He.did not make a charce ' ; .at all.:. - ;;::. Mr. ;Speaker:: Order! ...,;, • •'■ Mr.iMalcolm!,lf ; ,an nssurance-is given ,ths.t a commission will, bo set up if he makes';an explicit charge,'l would.suggest that he make tho explicit charge. Sir Joseph Ward: I snggeskd heshould name the pbr.son'against:whom tlie charge" wa« made. To ask'trie to set up a commission on mere generalities is a different thibg. ; .-., •;';.' '■;.-•