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; PETITION OF MR;. QILvfeUTH. X : ; CLAIM- ON. ,';■ • The \ Houso "met" at iO: o'clock yester'day ■ niorhirig., '•' ' ■' ' : -" "'" .'■'■':('■ '■'. V.■'■■'; ■'■'• ' The/Agricultural 'and-. Stqck.-.Comtaittco.ire-, porUilitliat it.had. no:recommendation- to;mak«; of; Mr.'^i'A.- Gilruth, (latochief veterinarian) .'for.; cbmpensitiori : for ■the loss of' an ■ appointment..in' 'South. : Africa;:',' ■;.:.- Mi-.. A; North) outlined Hie:circumstances,out ofvwhjch. the. petition : arose, 1 and' which hare already: been rented.- Mr. Gilruth. had. been; offered U position in:the Transvaal.at\a- salary of £1000 or :£I2OO a. year, with, further jwospects of (advancement. ". His .salary- in. >W Zealand W!is£6oo;or:£6so.' The offer was transmitted by the British .Government' to the -Now Zealand Government,; but the 1 latter •failed; to in-, form- • Mr. Gilruth, and. h<S ; therefore, lost' a ■ v«ry '.'■ valuable chance of, advancement; Mr.;Herdman:went-on to read cablegrams sent in 1004 by.-the; Transvaal; Government Gilrnth.'one of .-which-' stated -that, -thi |w. Zealand ' Ministers : had refused to transmit the offer. A letter from Mr. GiliUth ,to the Hon. E. ■ M'Nab,. then -Minister fbr ■Agriculture,. :was.also read.byiMr. -Herdman. In'this letter Mr.-.Gilruth, stated •that the late Mr. &d-. don had told-h'im. that he refused,to transmit.the offer out:of,considerahon for the m : terests- of this country;- A side r note,by Mr.iTraab showed- that, -the ...letter, was before Cabinet onVNovemter 27_,;1907, and- that the Government was of opinion that its-predecessor was justified'in declining-to,agreo;to r of a public officer,' o^-high.. standing, fcom its service by an .'outside .Government Mr. Herdman^went on to':strongly condemn the attitude: of- the.: Government in «%»}«:■ ter.' Hβ moved that tbe,petation be referred back'to -the committee for.-reconsideration.

Mr.'Taylor on the Bot-fly.■•' ; ' Mr ; T."E. TAYLOR: (Christchurch'.' North) said Mi. Gilruth might. My« suffered sojnc! injustice, -but;.ho ■wBS.-'.not./molined- to ■ spend mlloh'sympathy'on. any,application;lie might inake:,to. the M;v.Garuth\ toi.a very -astute politician, and;, used nui political ZIA his own Gilfuth's- scientific-: attainTOnts,/ ;lfr: laylor declared that-after, to eiadicafe M bot-fly, Mr. GilruU -wrote to America a U thority,in;to, W orld bot%,and-therrcply.:wa3>Uhat;m;'America the BoMIV was regarded ,as; a- friend- of r the. , horse- and'; \ not - a foe., .• ,(LaughterO ■ ■ Bot-fly ■ remedies;- were; the horses were'; none; the' worse. wouWget on-very well in his new:sphere, or-anynhefo

■ ? .j{£" hardy.-%^ );^4;: M , r - : » didv'not. kno.w, anything f.'abpnt v ,the. bot-fly. Ministerial-Defence.v: ; ,!;;<;^..' ; •-,''■;.-;;: : . '•"".'.■'.';.■', Wβ.''Hon. T.' MACPINZIB ■ .(Minister- for Agriculture)■: said, it .would- Useless^> refer th'e«:matter.. back .tq.,the r :committee as. thero could'bo no .further: evidence.:-Mr.. Glruth had said, ho could' Bupply; no .additional evi. dence.:Tho Minister, enlaraed .upon.the ad. vantages enjoyed ', by. tho' ; New. -Zealand' Civil Serviffi:-, The:offer pf;.the,Transvaal;Goyern-!montto-Mr.'Gilruth-.could:.nqt.bo found on.the jles. - Thero was 'no /evidence), qu' the tile ; siich-a-document,-was s ever ..received/;'Thehon. niomberknew,'that, : -,with.'the evidence, before US tKo'.committee .could' not; possibly, make' any other-recommendation;: .The.-rGovernment had as'sisted-Mr.'. Gilruth: to traveli : abrpiid' and-ae-. citiirb !■ further - scienttßc i ;knowledge,'.v,: 'sptoding. ab6W'jel3oo' , m.'tKisi:way>i'.'a#, : thul- i estoblish-. ing. a r ,moral- ■'claim, on,- his. servjces.; -Mri. Gil;. ruthi : -in' his'-present 1 " position;, in ■ Australia', wodld-'-.db' as'wellfas he wqtild'hayc.dDne m;tbe Traißvaal. If tho:;,Trangaal!.offer, .reacted-| Ndw:Z(>aiarid at.aU.'it. must .liaVe.ranie.iq the. lato" Mr.' Seddon : :.persohaUy,, nndv/not, wj-the.;, Government. -If the. course,'which, Mr.,-Herd-, ni'an' had .argued;\that; tlieJ Governnientr shpnld; take ::werVadopted,, .the I Government., would Soon lbso- allots .best.'officers,, and have "only iveeds,',,iii : tho. service: A : -private . employer would not- adopt such;a '.-'■• . ■■■,: ■'] ■Mr. MASSEY said the; speech'..of. the Minis, ter'.had i; n6t l .altqr,ed i the I'wsiHogj^^-as-stated :by Mr. 4 Her^nian. J '.Mr:' : tovfiur,oije. wore ; l(iiKely' for .the purposesVofstne. ppvern-. , - the bffori w,as. mado;.and'reached.thp:New.Zea. land Government. : H-v/- ''■.'■.. r;;-'■■-,',,:- : " TIiQuPRBIE.'MINISTER^said; , an\oftori to' ; a ciyiV'servant- Under':one,-GoveHinienlf'Va's /not customarily made ..'without j the- consent of -theGoycrnment employing himi; aiiji'-siicli- Gbvefimerit;had ii perfect, right;,to" its.:confee'nt; Mr. v Gilrutn'.:Vfas''a very competent: man,dnd;did : his;w,qrk in:.Ncw':Zcaland very .welV.' ; -,Mr: Hardinan's ,nmondment-was lost,,on me vbiMsj and the.;'repqrt'was.;.rcceivedv.'.. ./•;■ v-

SECOND READINGS. The Wanpatfui School 1 Sites Bill and tho Mnslorton Trust Lands Bill were read a second time on tho motion of the Hon G Powlds CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. PROPOSED TARIFF ALTERATIONS Tho Hon G IWVLDS, (Minister for Customs) moved tho second rCadjng of the Cus toius Duties Ymendmont Bill, which be said was to give effect to tho resolutibn 1 ! already ] agreed to bj the Bouse, ercopt that tho sur tux on tobacco, cigar-, and cigarettes was to bo 1 pel cent instead of i\ per cent Mr At \bSE\ submitted that the Government was bringing in new taxation m excess of re quicments This Government seemed likelj to put up a lecord in the waj of increasing The Hous9 should not consent to tin} * fnrtfiei increase of laxalion this session I Sir JOSEPH WARD (Minister for Finance) I swd the Government expected to get ,£50,000 bj tho alterations to the tariff The people necessanlj hud to pij for tho extra services, and ho hud \ct to leirn that the great bulk of tho people took exception to ut> This £50,000 was onlj for ono jear, and it would then cea«c to bo colleoted in terms of tho Bill No ono could toll what tho Customs revenue would imount to at tho end of the ncd financial veai, or indeed at tho end of this \oar, atid the Government ratist make suro of tuning tho finances strong Tho nev. taxation wns, required foi extomal and in Iti nal dofenco Mr J ALILN (Bruce) stated that the intntation was nioro than was required for defoneo purposes. Mr IIEIU'IEb (Taiiranga) urged that tho duty on tobicco should be abolished The MINISTER in leplving, emphosised the point tint tho duties ncro only imposed until Miioh 31, 1911 Iho se"ind leading of the Bill was agreed lo v by 11 votes' to ii is the division list —

Ayes, 43 ■* Buddo Lanry Button Mac Donald ■ Carroll Mackonzio, Hon. T. Clark M'JJawn Colvin Millai Craigio Nga f a Davey Parata Dillon Poland Duncan, J. Poolo Ml Reed Tield Ross Forbes Russell * Torfldt. Scddon Glov«r Smith ' Ornhaiu Sfallworthj i ttrcenilado Steward Hall * Taylor, E. H Itanau Taylor, T. E. * Hogan Ward " Wilford Jenning- ' Witty Lauronson Noes, 23. Allen Malcolm Anderson Massey Bollard ■ ■■,•;' ' .Nowman. Buchanan Noaworthy Uuick O\oj Dive Pearco lusher Philhpps Guthno Rhodes Hardy ' Scott Hordman Thomson, G. M. Ilorries Wright Hino OLD AGE PENSIONS. GOVERNMENT PROPOSALS CRITICISED. In moving tho second reading of the Old Ago Pensions Bill, bir JOSEPH WVRD explained that its objeot was to enable owners of homes up to XS4fl m value, and their ui\es to ro ceive tho full pension After, that amount the pension would bu reduced by a sliding scale until .£6OO was reached, when tho pension, for smulc persons but not foi married coupic-., would be abolished. i Other provisions of tho Bill were shortly explained by the Prime Minister

I Mr. MASSBY supported' the Bill,' but' ;:.'• not'certain that: tbo rofcosuro as printed Would ■' Rive effect , to what- tho'jßrimo Minister.intended. '-.Thorp seemed, to him.tolbe-aclashirig , . between Clnjisos'3 and : S,--> :' "'>■!'■ -'v'-,-Mr. ALLEN - (Bruce),could find , no.refereno* . to limits in. the Bill.:-", ~.•.■';■; ...i!..-...• :..;:' Mr. T. E;: TAYLOR (Christchurph: < North) :. '.' thought -the'ro were' important omissions in • thb drafting' of: the: Bill.- He,had' no doubt " ■' , that:-the , :Prime- Minister , had 'intended: to pu(i ' what Tie! had said' into, the Bill, but it wafi ' . not: there. . Ho had ho. doubt that, the , defects • " would ; bo' remedied in:. Committee. ' ■'-.■•;. «■'■:':•: •. ■ Mr. "BOLLAKD;..(Eden);'thought, that the .' >: ' clause ..in. tho.principal. Abti ; -which.-' states '-.. that , .the..widow-of :aiinan>who had' aft income , ■ ■ of'JEtlOO Bhiill not.'rcceiyo the pension for twblvO *■ months.-.should.-bc.'amendod.;.■:'".'' ■ i<-;•:■•'•>,■" -.-.'• -, THE..PBIME MINISTBE stated that though' 9 he.limi % t amounts: were not, directly istated,' , j; what, he'had' promised: would bo eiven : effect to : ■ by: the Bill,' which"■ meant- an■'extra:!exnonSi-"'.'-'-0 hire',on pensions of year.- TEe'l'rime , . '■:■ Minister quoted jthat"vwpiild< be ■ i) giyoii- nnder"the. existmg .'law, ,and; under - ; the'" ;' e, new,! Bill , for'homes of :vafi6us' values-,'as'fol- '- h'; ldwj— ' " ""; '" ' "■ : '":.'■: '..';: '■,■'':' ..- .>,.,■■ 5 Value of Desoript'n of, Present , New, 't ' o ;:' ; J home, pensioners.' ■' Law. ■'. ■,■] '■ Bill.;: ■ '•'■;.'.:' d ■ Single person .' £li' '.. i- £S6'. : './ .sy\d. ■'-,'.,-. Married. c6uplo";i(J4''each- JKGcaott'■',■'. ■ i- ,£250 .' Single, person -. £l6 "'•. • '■ J886.-:-, ~.'.: i- Married couple 221 each JKfi'each. ;'■ i- '••',: e, Single person-■''2H-- .. '£26; •■'-; - ; ' t; ■ • -.' ' -Married couple'.fil!) oach .£26 each''■ it 'X 3-10 -Singlo -person- :47 ;; v. ; ;«£26;'-: '•-;;.■.■■/-■"■' r.. '■■'■ • Married' couple : .-} tw, J23GO ■ Single person ■:■'£&■ ■ .-■:. ; Mi': ' :■' ':;: '■': it ' Marriedrcouplo il6each'• £H andJC2ey' ; ' ie X3BO Singlo- person ■■■£&■■>. ■ ■ : :'v-'.%': •e,. Married ■ couplo each .£22 and £26U, ■t- £400 -Single person , ;£lr ■; ' £20 :■■:-' ,»>.,-,.: d- , : . Married > couple £14 each : £20 and £28 :- is- £450 ;• Single person;t-,.:Nil'.:;- ; £15; :'\'" ; ' '■/:■■ V n- ; Married couple'£ll'cach'£2B and £IS-: [f; £500: Single"person ;■ Nil': - ;.£10" V-.- -... v ire , ' Married 'couple, £9each: £2fi and £10;' h £000 Singlo' person Nil:--- •".■Nil/; :, / : , : ■ ; idr ,-.■.: Married, couple £t each. £26, and nil.' , . "5j In' reply ■to• a'• question, the. Prime'. Minister. , "i undertook to have the schcdulcsrhichrunsito ,:: -,„ higher ambntits'than'aro hero given,-printed l , "f 1 wtta-.-tW.Bill'.; :-.-■,::.-:•.■: ■■-, .■-,- .;;::,-;'-: !pj' The secondrcadihg was agreed,to.. r : ':.)-' /; :.

,-;V^\ ; ■?.^V:PONY;;RAClNG;;..;; :^; ; ; l i;■■V,;> ; ;^ : .v■;; The Hon. D. BTTDDO moved the second read-i , : ; ing'of • the Raco Meetings 'Bill, which,; h* said; V. dealt with- pony and galloway, races.'.'.. r ,'' ;f -.;' ; .: ■; Mr. Massey:Oh, givous an explanation -of a tho-Bill. ■■■'■ ■•-:;•.'>; ;.>■■■;/,•. !,;';■■ '-~ Mr. Buddo:,I'll do that in replying* i-- '■,'■;.;," . Mr. Massey. Well, the ■explanation; you"are'going, to.givo,us.Fll.;Mt-speak;;;.;-;h. Y6u. can go ahead. ~., \ j.vy , .',./' ','"■■'■'■ V ■ Mr. -RHODES (EllcsmerpVwas;afraid,Glause:, ■;"; i. 4:wouldi prevent;, a' Hunt .Club s;:point-torjoint;' : . ace,' and also l polo-meetincb;; Only, two-Vente , .. in- a:polo meeting—a' h\irdle.race"6f ; -Bi'S-;fur-.. : : lonjs , - .; ■'; TSLcfesi'. Great strictness.was exercised.in riviiiK , : permitsv'for, pdlo';meotin'gs, > Clause- i •should. .; ~: jo 'amended'in thVdirection indicated'.'.-n/ •''...i'';-.)-., .Mir.- HEERIES' (Taufanga) 'said; that r ercry-.' ■, -.'.',: thing rfould; depend- on; .tneiadtainistratipnibf ... ■;'• tlie-'Eill, wnich in itself was- innoptiou^'.-. '; Hβ V: was.prepared,to trust-the Minister^:stmse.;of:'; ; fairness as.to what clubs he wqnld license;"THe .. Racing .and- •Trotting Associations'; tfere ■ v.4ry ; '.-: anxious to..keep .their. 6pprts-clean, , had-nb-ppwer.ro pony , -and galloway.'races., V;- '. They. ■ could.•; 6nly : • esterase- th'e ppwer■''•.of;-*.dfc >' ;■ •' '■ quaflfication; . The .Minister-:- 6hould;itake, ! -.tue';'V \ 1 recoinmendatiqn,\of the Racing: Conference with , ' 1 ;;'? regard l to repstcrcd.'clube'Vnich'.didinot , u'Se : ' '< the .totalisator. - He> thought '.it:v_was: the.vun- -. ; ■ re'gisterjedMoliibs' thet:.:\rera'. causing/: trquble;:',.-: They niight-:be-..well' conducted,- but/ : ; - no -akurance -that they -wouldbe , .' TKfirel was v;;.-, riothiiig .ihithe Bill , to,.prevent: the . Minister,.: : : libensintr ■ galloway- races.- though'.,-:he,-did-not.:',, thinkrtnat would happen. He~Tioped that:the ;: ; ; would' always .resist, influence., mipht:'bo used to. get- permits' for .clubs:'not, "i under;'the i'authority; of eithor.'Vof;the:,a6socior :\v., tiohs. •. : •• ■■•,':■•:''.' .:":,;•:'■' ; -»..'■■"■ ■■': ; -i.vyv-'-''■'■■' : '.-Mr.'ByiCE-ffalmerstbn)': thought ■', the JBilLundermined:,thp/authority."of; the , ;Racing ! atid : -, ■■■■■ Trottingi-Conferences, ■because-:'the'; '.iMinjsfer \:., cp\ild ; . license .'any.-meetings -he: liked, indudiliK' : ■'■.'■, gallowayi races:' Hβ thought that -the Bill; wouM' put■;matters -in« a■ worse ; state; than:■ thJey-.--- :'. I (Bay of-'ElentJiy^tnoßght , :-,'.;! that .'there * should -be,- a : clause, providing -that-' ■'■;, . registered-clubs,'without ■tptali6ators. would''.lie;. ■ followed','to. continue pending' good oehayiour.,' ;■ - ■• Mr! SMlTH'Cßangitikoi)'fiaid'ho'Would sup. ■ port' the •■ Bill' ,'so' , long,"; as -' it ..only -ref 4rred '-.te ■ • •■" pdriyi and:'galloway ''rncingl' : •"'.'■• ' :;..-.': •..:■■ •-Mr.-' BtrpDp''6aid; there-:was : no, intention to ■ stop' 7 legitimate .country■ meetings, ~ polo ■ - in'«t. -': . inw, ! >r; 'hunt Jfcl'ute'--i^oint-toinqint-race^ ; 4 il :y°f: ■.'.•:'TBe'' se^nd-feMing^wfis'-ogrofe'd''to;'; , -;'■'.; '•',;' l ; ! V';.

UREWERA, NATIVE,RESERVE BILL. ' The Hon A T KG 4TA, for tho Hen Jamoe Carroll, moved the second reading of the tjrowoift Natno Distnot Reserve Amendment Bill Mr HERRIES described the Bill as a piece of fancy legislation, which he would not op. pose, though ho did not see much use for it The TTrcwera countrj might just as well have come in under tho ordmarj Native Land Bill. Ho was glad to hcai from Mr. Ivgata that the Crown «as going to purchaso a largo area'of s tho district Air MACDONALD (Bay of Plenty) supported the Bill H« hoped that care would bo takon iu tho issue of timber licenses'to prevent large areas being monopol sed by big syndlMr KGATA said tnat that was provided 1 against in tho Bill The second reading was agreed to at 430 p m. WORKERS' COMPENSATION. The Hon J A MILLAR moved tho second reading of the "Workers , Compensation Bill,' which deals with pneumoconiosis , The second\ reading was agreed to without diSsent V REFORMATORY INSTITUTIONS BILL. , The Hon G. IWLDS moved'tho teooiid leading ot tho Reformatorj Institutions Bill, which amends the law in regard to habitual inebriates, and deals with other matters affectlnc reformatories Mr AVILrOKD (Hutt) said he believed in the Bill, but ho did not oonsider that a confirmed drunkard should have to bo convicted threo limes before ho could be sont to an m> stitution Drunkenness should bo treated like anj other disease Ho behoved that liquor could be obtuned on I'akatoa lfcland Ho tad receded a letter from a patient, who told him that when a pionic paitj visited the island le had been in charge of tho canteen, and that ho could get to tho mainland ind back it an) time without his absenoe being noted. 1o e\en said that if Mr. Wilford would send lum £\ u0 would got to Wellington and Inck without lus absence being noted The Minister would bo surprised it he gave tho narao of the corrospondent Tho MINISTER said tho working of tho Iβland had fouud •α-ij satisfactory, notwithstanding these nidations It would bo possible to got from tho island to tho mainland in a row-boat,'but ho did not think an inmate would bo nble to get a boat , Mr Wilford said that where lus correspondent wa« ho was tho only inmate Mr lowlds said an institution was being opened on another island, but he did not think thcro was anj chance of liquor getting to Pakatoa Picuic parties did not go there, and anj paitj which went thero had to obtain permission first Tho second reading was passed

ACCOUNTANTS BILL. ,' Tho Hon. G. rmVLDS moved the second reading of Zealand Society of Account ants Hill Ho said its only object was to increase tho effectiveness of the Act passed last \car. Mr POLAND (Ohinomun) urged that those who did not apply for registration within'the appointed timo last year should bo givbn another opportunity. He know of thoroughly quUificd accountants who hud not boon repstored because they did not know thai applies tions closed on March 31 la«t' ' Mr. HanUii (Invcraugill), Mr. Witty (Riecarton), and Mr. Hemes '(Taurnngn) spoke' to similar effect ' Tho MINISTER said he was afraid (hat any extension of tho tyll would linponl lU pa* sngo. i Tho second reading iuis agreed to. , MAGISTRATES' COURTS BILL. Tho Hon G. I'OWJjDS "briqflj explained the provisions of tho Magistrate,''Couits Bill in moving tho second reading Tho obitsct of the I Bill is to simplify and chonpen Court proI rcedings. Ho proposed in Cbmmitfeo to strike out Clause 7, vhich was practically provided for bj tho Arbitration Act. v The second reading was agreed to, LOCAL BILLS. ' Tho House considered tho Vfangonni School) Sites Bill (tho Hon G. Iritis) in Committee and it was reported without tvmondmont. Tho Masterton Trust Lands Exchiingo Bill (tho Ifon. 6. Fowlds) \vns t put through Ow>>