THE COUNCIL.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 690, 15 December 1909, Page 5

THE COUNCIL.

■■&■ '■■''■■'■ ; '": ; ' , '.iJi»ingi ! tne''sitting' of;;the;Council yesterday ■JJi-.^H' V- large/ number;.; of local/Bills were .read-;, a. •i^ : VVVeeqoßd'':time;.;;;S.'"'.'..v' ; :-.'.'-J:"<' : 1; ■'■'-;, V; v ■".'' ,- : j^:.: ; ? :^''V:v,,^'vi;:;-;':" v '^—-^-:c/■•--■•> '-•-.-.:•.■'•;-... : -'■%■ State Guaranteed Advances ",'f; ■: A ; BiU iwas and :the 'j second f'-O-- ' rea~ding'ma'de';aniorder of -the day forXtorddj;.', ■, v ;■;>;: It -iwtS 1, agrwl-' f fiat'for 1 ' the" remainder, of ' the / :-::;'':-:"se'ssiin'ithe,Sianding ; ,Or'ders..should-}be so far; v/V; ,\toj'ipe>put: through. all jtheir';stages at .the ono K..i : -'""7 sitting;: : Vi'Sft-:- 1 -:--?''.;-'.'"'-' : -''.•.■'■->;"' -•- ■/•;-'"" : - :■-, '''■■■'■'. ;,;■:■;;■■;,;■ a, A'.:".:,- • '': /:'';: : j^'V ; :'K?S#^EAyE ; iOF,fABSENCE. ;./ : V;.; ■ /'r "'/''■-ftbtice.-'wa^^ days' :,'?:,;■: Mv«Vbf^ab^c'eAbn?ac.connt;pf;jUi , gent'private ;,; t ; ; .i';vbU3inese.s^^; : ;; i i : '/;: Y Vy; ■',;■";';■; /!'/..!':!:/■ 'r-'\y'-} ■■''••' •:;! A ■ at) ESTIO N.;\7?v:>:';' l-w-: fti'.Tte"Hbn^SvT;-GEORGE/asked liat amount ;'//'V-/ of' estate:duty:;iinde'r;,tW ;Death Duties Act , now : /W()ife ; .tJbfl\(^OabilMs.-paja'ble'fln. , ",aii-flstate, , the , •• 'i l . '-■ ■• i ;^taxable'' 'balance •'■>at-'■■ -which'■: amounts''to /over ':::■'• 'r. "■ jjlMiOOO,'-,5ay,i^140.001.:":.';/',■',■///•:/ >';:. ■ '• ; - ■ '-' '!' : a', v■.; The'Hpn-'Dr.'HNDI/AY said the question as' ;.-'y;i fVpufc'-wasimisleading,;:as/ihe-amonnt of death ■:,c''v;; m duties' '.under; the? Death '-Duties, Act, : included;. ';B- ; :W-? 'mpt'bnly' estate -duty,'but'.succ*ssipn. duty; , arid ■•^i' i; ''i'inyso^'\oa^s/-giftVduty.' : ;\-'AB''>egarde''ostate' ;';■;MV;>hip at : 'all; : as sncoession.duty/did, tho amount ■v; ; V ;i :;of\dutopayable v oriathe^^state^^would." be pi£laM?&& NAVAL B.JLt.;.' ; ; :'; >' ■&?V '.i:- ■■•■Tta : ii^y'il" : ;*p«ience'i > .Bill-' passed "through ;the ■•■'&'-:■ ■ discussion.' ':' ■■.•■. ;'?jV-:'-vVv-.The;BiU. :^rae' read,'a;third;tim^'.' and' passed: : ■^EATH^.pUjiES S;BILL ~t[ i ; ;V;.;V ■■'■yi v "•■The-Cpuncil,'.in , .C6inniitt£ie ) : dealt:with .the ■■■#■,"■:■■>;■ Death' , Duties■Bill;v J -:-' ; ;.;;;; ;; ::>'- i :/''- '." ■.'•':•. ■■ ■■... /--■J'l.vy-.iSub-slauserK" of. Clause.Bistates j.that shares \/.;!-V| , coaly •-,-■:■■Oγ-any..^^ininoral'-in.,iJew r Zealand, =or engaged in m all ■"■■'■'•■:■■•■-7cas?s'''-l)ißAdeemed'ibr'.beVproperfy 'situated in i.\v.'::.v-Nevr Zealand.:i ''t-v ■':■. • / ri;.-;^ i "-:;-i ■■■ :■•.'. ! v;- ■'.;;: ;;-iThe:B9n: ; S;;T/VGEOEGE (Auclcland>;thought- : - ;,i;::^th'e> ! .clavse-would'r.hayoi.a!";spriou3i effect:in -re- ■:..;';' ;: s miniori.;. :, -Sucn'sKare3' i Tfere: ..- ■;■;:?;' ■ ■;• it ?Tf as to; tax;them v in -addition. 'f, a in: Sew!-Zealand; ■■,Sv.- '■-&'/'. !; "■■'¥%'■' ; ; -. : -' ■■.&..■;.- ..': ;:>: j ;;■■.--Dr.'sFlKDlAf;"said, that? whpe;.'npt concediaß; ■ '•;'.:i;!-'v;,that/a\-'ohMßO'i'bf\thV' , Kfr:'?iWa^ i ,; i' ;i :=.'-,would .draw the:-attention of'',his!cblleagaes to; 1 • i■■',-?; ;i •• -the ipoipt.. .The ; mere Vf act ,tl)at .a - shareholder. ' : in^a^New':Zeal^d'^^^e^^yrJ^esided: ; at^ ; HomO' }:-f;Wwas not:a.reasbi'why'his'estate!should- escape ' -viii'.:. 'death 'duty here,:;when .the:. whole of tho. wealth : :iK-Vi6;h'adjmadb^ !7^^''tha;Englkh.'la«;ifmppse(i, 'B;'tas which-;was un-'•:S''!^:'fair-;thatwas:.novreason: why/the New Zealand. :'; : :^VV;law / should;not;imppsb,;.a fair;tax.. ■7ff : ~y-\\^, ■ -i"vi^ : :;Hori;: ; ; J. -V.8.-.'". JENKINSON!' made:: refer-; ■;-. : lt ':ence ;to;Snb-clause.ijof -Clause. 32,'Iwhich pro-, : : ?7i':; : ?vides ; :,th'at' anyia'dministrator'iwlio,fails.to de-; '■ ■; ;?:<; s-liyer;-a ; ;statemeht" to. the-' commissioner.; within ;: ,; i;. jthe'time'. prescribed shall beliablo -ori/suminary, ;v!-=;iV'l-i»»«ctio^.^/a.fine\pf::j23p. - ;-:.H8,.-was bf/opimon' :i V;v, .the fiiie'was too :high,;as!it ■'.V!~/-wduld'fall heavily'.on ,, small .estates. - ::: ;-.■■'.-.' ■■ : • the word-:,^rtv"::ing.;of-the;clause!-,was'-the approved!way.'of-ox- : ::!:!!:;^^ressing ; :that-:a-::firie;:upAto^O'might bo im-'/:;-:;-J;'eosedQ;^r'!S:-:v^ f: --y-^ i \. ;^'' : :.?' v -;-A:; -; ;; - -. i^'r.-S:--' -• The.;Bill;waSjiea'd :d;third time.:and,- passed. y, : -:. ;;■:■'; M : ,'--,-U;;' : ".,-\- ■ : . .h ;■'■.-!'! the second'leading, of ..this Bill,. .; ;v;■' I fj-TbjBIOTTOKNEX-GJiNEEAIi-said it;.was do-'■:!v'Kr■'-'.wable^^:-that' th^ { ''Bill-.shouldsbecome, law this ; \.~'i; V V Bessip'n^as\it: : . would-be, of .considerable in '■:.'-X ': cbnnectipn: With.- the ■i'Dformatoi'y'. r work which ■-: '■■.'■!;); .'iWasgoin'giOn'in this country.! -'The., main-pur-:: -•/•/-. IV !' : ppSa ; :measureywas ,, to givD : power. to de-' ■■},:;;S:';i:taiu'palpates;,in.^'an'-iudustxial-,school .beyond" ;.',! tV,.:'-tiß'.'age !b! : 2l'years'ii caies where,siich'.cleten-' !.;;^\;::: : -'tipn;jwoUld ; Be;in,:;the: best interests of: the :in- '■; ■' .: ; ,' ; '!niauis; J !: ; vv;V; as; -'ihemlers;.' kiiew,;:sbra(>^moral: degenerates— i 1;;, ! : young .women-rwho: were UvX, v.nb ; /more'tit : jtoibe ; than-some' of tho 'V'.;v^':, : t.-inmate^.-'Jhimentol!;liosjitafe.-.f-:V-''' , . : - ; ■ i ! . : ; /■'. ;: : i.':Jl'hevHon;;J^ii'GO.vViLjN^Aucldand).objected : v! }■■:■: itd.-the !proyisipn ;, /that!: : ;the::perspn. : .with'iwhom .-v! 1 :!:■ an:;inniate:Vwa3 : -liberised; shouldvbe ; deemed !to! ;.-..■:.■;■;■.;■ lie! , -an^pincerjofithei"'School. ;■ Ho!had, ::he 'said/ • v !'!':.; ]£nbwn J caseß .'where'.licensed, children. had 'been :;,■ -.-.-•;.yekyfOTughly.'ij'haiKUedK'iv.-'.i','/"-'. .-••.■■ ':■' .'■•.'■ A' ':'-^:. : !• "■'.-■ !.L;^^ry-;Pindky;r'. : This:;sectioh:ihas:;hqthinß to ■'■■■ v;«.KdoxwithlithaUplassibfLcasb.^'i'•■.-."!■'.■';v! V; :'■•-■■::■'.'. ''■■'? :j!': i -.Mr.'-M'Gbwan,;Jin'!the!;.cpurse .of .further/reX: .; r^.'marto r ;-disapprov!eddpfi;the_;propbsed!::increase ; .' L -!(. in' the-charge;,fdr'.imai'ntenauce of inmates.-. .;! ;v.'-;v; : U'Kgba "Ho<fc';;j:?;H. ; :!JENKli\SpN '("Wellington) •;■ ;-":-jl: strongly; to-increase the ■/,.; •'ijvchafge for^imaintenahco'bf.iari-inmate"from'Bs; - ; : ; - : '.i : i!to:'lUi : ' ; p!er<.Week^ l '-ft : \.^.v-;.;;,: -- : -.•.-'■• ; ■:-:.: ; ;] r -'"rae^Hon.^;H;c;iF;s!WlGEAM'v(Canterbury) '■'■■'■'■ ' (.i.thoaght- -would.-be> undesirable for'inmates ■;:v:v|;i torrbe.ft kept iin :^mdustrial;. schools -after.'they; ■';■' '. 'lihadsieached'.'a •'certain'We, ' ;;l .' ''.■.■.•••■'■■.--' ;:, ..-. ; ;:V ;:-Xi Vs'ThejHon/iCiTjM: was '.-;.•'•■ [v of.^bpinionv.that/.tho.ipyoposed: increase in the :.■■■■.; ;#; chargo''for.:-uplieop«was;'justified.! Hβ.-■ knew ; '.vpi.ithat-.the.cost.of.ilmng-in connection with all ■>:,--I' ;.such.--liytitutiqnsV. : h'a'd}Vincreased , -'during the - - : ---- ■•i' : .piist."&w ,, years.---- : - : '. ; -.VV-f :--..-■-.•■,"-■•. ■•■■-. : v :;; :"r ; ; ; The , ;Hoh.>J;; B^jCALtAN'(Otago)"submitted .",;..'. :,,; r ' thatvp'qrnianent.;,degenetatos',:shpuld- bo sent to' - - \;.v'-lunatic .asylums^' r ";:'•-'.- Vi' , ' •■:' : ' , - /:■ >v:4:./. j; TheVATTOItNEY-GENEBAI,■ said that' some :■:;■■-y .made ;m;'fetish,';bf:v v tha: liberty, of/the '■■■■■'■:■ : ■?übjec.t.:,.ihevliber!ty,,6f.-th'e community had to rv : '; --- : :M. considered,';:as;well-, as the liberty, of tho '•;■•■;:.;■ .■■ i^?« b ] i e9t-'^'The', : State v l ;liad:?gbt to',become ;tha ' ■,•■'." v^ntelhgent ;;parent; 'especially:.of . those weak applied; -:It: was .','•••;:.•'.:?b&Md (liat,young.people "~yi irf/WM 'nptjbe^incarcerttted'in 1 an' industrial ;attained the age. of ; . ; ■-•■■, • .''■.'■;2l,^years.,,-;Wli4t,Mhe ; ask; ■ was there' '■-': :/";Vv: a b°ot; th ,°, "Be.';ofv2l 'tfiaVworked any miracle;' ; .:■'.! ;«O;MimsU!r;;wouldr;leiid:hinisolf. to tho i'near- •■ :• ':..v-Goratipn; L ofpe6pl.e;whp..wero deserving of their ■r ; : !-J*: < * i d°ra. : fcspito,;iof.vthe!;propbsal /to e£' ■•• "y.'teaih .the. V; term;.; ,\ofr,\ incarceration, •' many ■;-. ';! who: wero , :!not ;;. ,• ,;it. (vHcWmight.remind members ■•'■> :\ ',-■:■;. that-: chimron ; woro ;iiot 'herded '■: in;'in-v ;': ';- 'Sdustrialyschopls. tSegregation!was carried' out '^'asiiar'.'as:. ;-i^ : - i'^,■;:;•■ ::■'.'■■'■• ..*. ■ , J;. : ; i far/as pos- ■: ■ v risible?.::?';; V l^-*-.;;;^':^''';';.:;, ,-.;-;:'.;';',:■' '•. : " ■-._ :[:■: ~'•. ■■■:'i- : :j-.:':.'.P,f' ' : l?^|.^V'v-Po" : .you"--BiiBBest''..tn!»t each ;in- v :,: - ; ! ■'B'ii>t*:'Bnould:.have: v a'.:house ! to liofself or -him-' : ; :i;;■■v':(:self?:^v : .:^':- : ; , =;vS r !.' '> ■ - ■■ '.•»■;', V: 'r;;''Mr. : -iJenkinspri':;-ph: ; ub'j : "''~v •' ;■'■'• •'■'- . ■-.:-:):'y;i'--pr. '!Fihdlay : ;(reßuming).;6aid !tliat no. better ■.-, .' :v,testimbny;.-;to.:..tho;';value.pf. work at. the. : : -'■r, r ;;E;hbols i Cpuld r ,be given jth.an the .fact.that there. ■:■ v -:'. \-] r worb;fewer nioral/deliiiquehts'Qinonß those who !/'.'■':'-';: ;i had:'been*;;amODg^inmates-pf;tho'..schools than ■--■:■: young" :pebj>U\who;<fodi'had'the'.'advaat'; ; .-',■ i^!«goSofi v"iving;:atiithelrTo'wp;':hpmbs.'"'Nolmom- .■';■■'. :^.K:bor"should:vpbject"fitp^the; : ipibp6S!>l ; that the ':.;- '; vpplico'.mightitake'/steps 'ti;^.have children, "c 5!.... !.... v Specially; girls,tiwhb .'wore;. living ;'■ in : : bad ::') :i : .- J,'eurroundihKS]sent■ to .an-iindustrial. school. ':■'■■' .••'■,: ;! :; Jeukinsbn:} : 'r'rhfl : Jtender.vmeroies• 'of: a J^.;;"j!^lc^air ; r"^;-;^^;^"^:i'' ; ;'.'-:'v";,;"; •:; ■.- [r:'^Z

• Dr. Findlay: The tender mercies of a policeman, are '10,000 •: times better than ; the tender mercies of , somo'of.'the pcoplo who.'frequented, the, houses;in which,numbers.;of. children:aro ' now::living. J':.".';.- ,;: ."-*;"-j -.i-._"-•-•..■;. ; .:.;,:V; ; ;v,};.':.,'<:'■-'.. Eejuming.Dr.' Kndla'y defended the proposed increase iu the: charge for maintenance in industrial schoolsi'.! ..Ho said: the: clause/would not alfect poor .parents, ; but only-those' who ; could .iv'nll.afford, to.pajv . - .. -o. '' ■: ."■■,." ■';'"■■- "A member: Wealthy people don't have children in such homes. -.-■;■;: .' , .' . ' .. . • Dr. Fimllay: Oh yos they. d 0.., : ■ . ■'-' In the course of further; remarks Dr. Findlay called attention to the reason why it was proposed that persons with whom inmates woro licensed should be deemed to be officers of the schools to which, tho children had belonged. 1 ;. It: oft™ happened, ho said; - that parents demanded .to,see boarded-out childrfenj whother.it was convenient or not—in fact mado a.nuisance of .thomselyes. . Under the present law .'the owner of. tho premises would' have to sei ye-written notice to quit on the intruder before the -police could intervene. Dr*. Findlay added , ,that the Bill .would be found to be a-very iisbful addition to tho'existing'law on-the subject. : . .- . ... ;.: . -. Tho second reading was agreed to and it was decided to deal with' the Bill in Cornmi tteo:to-day. .' ' . ' The Council then' adjourned 1 till this' afternoon. ... ... : . .'■ ' : -. ;■■.-.■■