LORDS' DECISION.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 679, 2 December 1909, Page 7

LORDS' DECISION.

\?if. /w'ELGcTio^ (By Telcßraph:—Pre9Bi Association -Copyright.), I :■''.. .;.' '!. London; November 30., . Continuhig his speech.in'tho debate..in ,thp Houso of'; Lords 'on' tho Govcriiment's'/Finance , ;Bill; "and Hho amendment declining; " .the .Houso of '■ Lords' consent till trio. Bill■'.has beon submitted .to tho judgment of tho people, '-Lord ;Morloy', for.lndia, argued;'; in detail that thcro'was nothing revolutionary in v 'tho ,Budgo't. ;'Oil' tho'other hand,' Lord Lans'dowiie's' amendment .was tho first step, on; a troDiendous' plan, leading -.straightway, to .con-, stitutioniil revision,. :aild therp. was no:; such battleground for the: fibrccst; passion's. . ;,He added that if,' behind the'^amendment.was a ; now .'fiscal policy, ho'did not envy \thc; Indian Government, in dealing:; with ..the ' claim ; of. Indians'to'have their own tariff reform. , ':'. ■ : .Lord: Rothschild criticised many, provisions of i.the Budget.'..He added that it'was'very,easy .now to get-money for fbreigi\ investment and '.. very difficult to : obtain it for; oven .the (best: .English enterprise'.. >',-., : ■""• '.'.'- Vvlord 'James .of .Hereford declared that; the; . Lords had .nb.;competency;tb reject- the Bill. Rejection'would infringe that part of'the Con-: stitutibn "controlling" the- relations of the two. j Houses. .TheV-Crown: thanked tho. - Commons, /alone for; ai'd 'and "supply,.' He "concluded -by announcing- that'he would' yotb ;for the, Bill, '..v, 'Earl■'Cawdor,(Unionist), and: -Earl cCrewe : ' (Lord'-Privy, Seal).' will finish' thp ''debate: to-day, '■"■■'[tord ; James"of Hereford • ; is" ; :an'v. eminent lawvbr, who has held Ministerial office with both'partiosi /The 'Homo Itulo split in 1880 took him from tho. Liberal into, the Unionist camp, and in recent years his Free-trade convictions have rendered him funablo,' to walk ; hand-in-hnnd Vwith. tho-Unionist ..tariff . reformers.] " , : , ■.;.';.■'' ■■'; '.' -.yd---' K: ■■.:■ ':-''-'i::-;:, OF; V '{:■■ '■'v^-:.;•'.:■••■;'(Rep. 'Decemr>er:l,\ll;3sjp.rri.)'■:;;:' :'jy'S-'r C-London,,-December I.'.'; - The\continuation'[of;tHo ;Budget Dobatolin the; House: of Lords ; rosulte'd'.in\anbthei' prilliant;and crowded gathering. '^y^dy ; iZ.-yy :- :Or,;'the division• being ' takbn',,- ] Lord Laps-' doivne's amendment—"That- the.:Housp-of Lords is not justified in. 'giving';:'its.;!cbr,sent- to'the Bill until it has,been-.^submitted ; ;tp the judgment of the" coun'try'---was '.agreed, to.; by, a. majority of 275, the'voting;, being, as ■under:-:; For tho Amendment U;»i,.....".»...ii350 ; Against the Amendment >i;.".-..^; : ; 75 :, Majority against. 275, V'■. Big Step from Land Taxes, .to Soclalishi.. :/ ;; The Aichbishop of .York :(Dr;. : Cosmo Laig, a prominent Social .reformer) :,made an eloquent maiden speech. : Ho: ; 6aid: from the of land 'values, to' : that, of the Socialism denounced: by; .Lord;;«6sebery;;: The mass of the .workers of Britain,-in"•matters;. wherein they hid.'speclal 7 and .experience, such as'/elating:.W.the; property.of; building and frieiidly^'v.BOoieties, ; "might: be trusted to take ari .independent: line. asVagainst; the Socialists' largo'Vpremises.: and, sounding, phrases. It was in'the I, extremes' of;hardships and hopelessn(^\;th : at;'extremeJ:'Socmlisrn: found. Ho warned':the.H6use;.6f,ttrds;of;tho oopseqnences of .disre"garpUrig : the^'greatj-consti-tutional principle J.enunbiated ;,by, JLord/ Jarnes of Hereford; ':' : -' : - ; - i '--U-'':-^:''-'.'' v ; ■:'-■■ y ; .'■' ;: ;"::' ; Tho Archbishop.: said; he I :deprecated;:adding, to ~the heated controversy ,:observable^in,':thp .- Country',-.'as -beiiigrcalculated; ; t'p;!.endahger'...,tho ■ of ' dwelling ■ '.ouHhe • :high';.pbsitions,;he:'remarked.that the,, tendency ; - of ;tte.. : .LordsV.vvas.'. to ;be .'conciliatory;., to .the. : 'House'of:.CommpnS.v. ; ,The. inflammatory -;Lime- !•' .'house':' speech -.ofv the • Chancellor yat 'the ' Ex- :■' oheqiier,:(Mr;' Xloyd-George). /was'Vlargely,;;ati itfibtitable 'fib";'the"- tendency ; .;of : -the : ,Celtic ; ;teinS peraraehli..|:Ho'aiidea.'thai';'peo'ple !" 'think,of those:whb'..werb ; runnin'g';mi.the/midst ;' of /inflammable .materials'-with': crackers' and - '^^sy : y- ;> y/yyx : dy:.yy.y

:^/^Lord^Cur2on' ( 'prjticisMv^yerers.-' Y-Y;;' 'Lord.Curzon, remarking' th^', tte' ■recommended.''in;: somp. quarters -as; aA'viilstrujrient: of ;sbcial;refqrm,; warmly - ;repudiated;the;| :iMihuatjbn:;thaia^^ ,form':was any iless keen, b'n'jthe Opposition than] \ on* The - Budget": would 'ihcrea^- poverty,.'u'n^ paradoxical, as atseemed; ,best.;as-' certain' and!weigh. .'the*;fallnoJes ■ of.' the Budget "by wadingthe ;speeclies ;df: Lord .Cromer: and; ;migMl:haW^accepted,v.theirJcpnclnsions. ; he ! repudiated.;.; The' .action I ':they-recommended; was inconsistent: of the House' of "Lords. emphasised' the; ;contention^that if ; tli6.:;Budget'-was; passed -.by the;3Hous6.|of^Lordsj;thetcountfy.;would .hot fcscapß ; -,the'; ; .grc'atirc6hstitutiorial.':ra which/Lord,.Cromer, fearci:as,being likely to .interferon ;.VithVriational: : defeniMV:i.:lJord:, Eose-'. bery's.'Glasgow speech ;deliveredYthe''Budget" a Smashing blowj 'yot.ttrdrEpsebery's.cpnolusibns in his .speech" in the'House'of Lords' were lame j:nnd'4fflpp^ent.v;^^

/:; 77 7 7tho:'6ply''Course Open. ;.7;; 7 LordY.Cawdor; (formerly First Lord of ..the Admiralty)'made -a'',.powerful.,declaration ?in,;favour,;:ofYthe7ambhdmontr .which. : wa> ; lis-' toned; to^with';the 'closest iattehtiom'v.Hexsaid ; ',tUat7K :^ fthey .would, destroy.|for:.ever'.the power ,7 and; ''authority: of. the. House ■.'as', a Second"; Chamber,., .Whether'-or' hot the 'course proposed; in. Y.the was ; dangerous, .it .-'was. the. '.only course open '.to.; them 'at/this critical .national juncture. "The aim of a,Second "Chamber.,was to '■■'• guai'd /the vpeopl©.'. against .wild ;and-;;rash' legislation;,', Their Lordships' 'wouldY; stultify /themselves;'.'if •,they v showed (?.Y shelved) any 'legislation; but, being: satisfied, that their 'duty as■'a : ■ Second, Chamber;.and' .as guardians :of. the .riglits of ,tho peqpie'was'.to'refuse. to ! pass/this' : S6cioli^io.; ; '.B.udpt,';ithey v '.;.opjild.'very well; let. the.'borisequenccß.^ poiicy of' tho;Goyernment.;was to, establish the House "''of '.'Cbmmohsvabsolutely.'indepehdent'of the chock.of. a Second Chamber:iipon its .legistlation;,. <"That,". added; Lord Cawdor,:"is not .a. f yeryattractiveproposal 'toi; a':': fr'cedoiri-loving : people.".;;-. 7-; ;7 ;"'Y ! - 7 i':.,Y--;' .7 7-■•'-'7''-' 77"

'Lord, Crewe's Admisslqris :as. to' ;Capital.;': ''.•':Lord:/Crewe'/fLeader'.for'. the. Government),' replying; declared /that .'the, Government, werei'prepared /at,,the: ;proper moment to respond to the challenge.to,defend their >nation'al defence pplioy.: : Disbussirig/the'graduated; incoine. tax,' death;'duties,\ah(r ; '6ther taxes, .he. admitted'.that'there had been serious. k f all' insecurities, .and: that capital was 1 .leaving the country..:; Lord'. Re'velstoke's speech:has, .era-, phasised. this'/ i/lordl Crewe- pn'ex't; ■ thatV capital ;.waf' a ; timid: thing, .and proOEeded --to/argue .that'- .not/; the/Budget, but i. what the' Opposition, had' said abbut-'the'. Budget- had 'helped the' sbare./ ' /The . Government had never■ discussed< s the 'nationalisation of lands. ..The. motion', that. the ; land would «Y*r be/owned by the" .nation was las'- remote, and fantastic. as anything: m-Mri V H./G;- -Wells's n0ve15..'.../.-"- '.'.'',■■■".''■•,,' : > -.■-.'; ■"•.;' /."• "''.'.-'' ■■"-.■'.' What.'' Would the Dominions/Think?/': 1 What (continued Lord Crewe) --would '■■ the colonies think of; their Lordships' impending 1 action?.'' The/ Australians would' wonder, what; would:'happen if tho,' Commonwealth finances' were Handed over to tho:: squatters /of. tho, older States. :Ho added:.....: ■' '■■ •. : ;/;;;, : ; •..•''i'Your,Lordships.are'making':the Most tragic, blunder. If the country condones-or approves vpur: our ; fellow : subjects' abroad'..will ask /if tho citizens;of the. Motherland'are -altogether: fitted:, to Moroiso,,". responsible'•. govern* .iiKnt, ''~■>■ ■;/.. y. •■'.;,':. .:.:;''."'.!;";^:''v'';o'■;:;.'

» "It is 1 not a •reformed Houso Iwhich is • rejecting: tho Budget. / Whether we.sit here or opposite, as a result of this : vote we must set pursslves. to obtain guarantees, l , fenced about and guarded by, statute, . preventing that .in-, discriminate ..destruction of.' our of ivhioh your w'ork to-night provides the climax and the. crown." ' , : PRESS ON LORD MpRLEY'S SPEECH. ■'■:.'' . ■ -,"'.; ■•■■ London, Novomber 30. 'Unionist newspapers, though absolutely:dissenting from Lord Mbrley's conclusions, admit the. skill .and vigour of his first speech ih'tho Houso of Lords outside his own department. "Thp Times" oriticisos his. ideal of an autocratic 'House of Commons for sevon years uninterruptedly. , The' "Standard" says Lord Morley ignored the fact, that the Budget was'a sheaf of measures, ."■ . v Lord Morley, speaking at Denham, com- • mented on the conspicuous absence from the House of Lords debate of Lord St. Aldwyn (bettor known as Sir Jlichael Hicks-Beach, who was Unionist Chancellor of the' Exchequer . from'lß9s-to .'1D02).'.■.•-:,•..'■-.:.'■'"■■■ ~- '.