THE SHIPPING BILL.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 674, 26 November 1909, Page 9

THE SHIPPING BILL.

* - I J BHIP-OWNERS INTERVIEW MINISTER. VARIOUS AMENDMENTS SUGGESTED The provisions in tho/Shipping and Sleamen's Amendment Bill were tho subject of a deputaI(, t'os from tho Shipowners' Icderation to tho I Hdn" J. A Millar (Minister for Marino) ye*. [ terday> j Mr \V. G Smith, of Auckland, pointed out I that It i\as propo-cd that "home-trade ship" [ should' include small vessel , ! plving on inland ', Jatys The} should like to know whether such l, vessels would require to Carry home-trnde I equipment Tho,Minister replied that the clause waa designed to bring such small vessels under t control It was not intended to apply the requirements c* home-trado ships to them Mr»Smith next loferred to tho fact that it was intonded that anj vessel going bovond 50 niilea out from the coast should be inoludcd in j the "form "foreign-going vessel" A vessel going, fnom Kaipora to DnnedjD, ho 6aid, might go over that distanco fiom the coast Tho Mimstei replied that, a$ far as hi , ) knowledgo went, no vessel trading on tho coast f need i*o more than 50 miles from the coast in ordinary running Fifty miles was, in hie opinion, a vorj wide ria'giu As fish nero getting tcaicer in Eomo plam nerrer tho coasts, truv'lorS oftild go out to tho limit fixed , Mr Smith then drov: attention to a clause *hlch provided that tho holder of ci master's cerhflcato for ships under 50 tons resistor ehould bo entitled to command a ship of not more than , 50 tons It was felt, ho said, that if a mrtater was fit to command a 50 ton vessel, ho was competent to captain ono of 100 tons Tho Minister promised to look into tho matter it,' Engagement of Seamen. "Wilh'rogard to tho engagement of eoamen and, apprentices, Mi Smith suggested that hcon'ios should bo issued to men of good chaincfer to supply raon Ho also expressed the,<Qp]nion that anr bona hdo servant of an owner should bo allowed to ongago mon Tho Minister said that ho knew of instances ffhoro good mon hod boon , blackballed so long M thoy had to go through ouo man Hγ, Smith wont on to say that it was foil that'Whero a soa-nan paßGed tho test pre scribed by Section 8 it should be noted on his certificate of discharge Tho Minister took a note of the suggestion Discussing Clause 15, which relates to corti. . iScatod cooks for foreign-going ves-els, Mr Smith urged that thoro should bo reciprocity i v with the Homo Country on that matter , Tho Minister replied that the New Zealand I > itattdard was oqual to tho Homo standard Accidents. I In connection with tho clause which iequires notice o£ accidents to Tie given to a sapeiintcndent, Mr bmith pointed out that thoro *-»ero only four in Now Zealand If notice' wero givon at tho nearest port it thotild bo sumcient Tho Minister noted tho objection Mr. Smith noxt stated that tho federation wished a modification of tho rotating to expenses m connection with accidents Its members objected to tho proposal that impn*onment,tor do-ortion or loivo without notice should bo, abolished The penalty in Section 29 was considered, to be unduly hewy , i < \ Wireless Tolegraohy. Section 48, which gives tho Governor power to require* ships to bo provided with virclcs;. ' telegraphy, wm discussed briefly Mi. 'imith considered it was very sweeping as it covered all boats cairying passengers Mr Millar We only want the power so that iroijlhy act when tho timo arrives Ml. bifiith pointed out that it woulu ruin the owner" of a small vessel if he had to go to tho eipenSfi of sending a vessel to search for a Buying "boat Mr. Millar , Why should tho Government bo put'to tho expense? Therq was, sa\d Mr. Smith, a strong objection, to tho proposal to extend tho scale for complement of ciow to vessels plying within extended river limiti They could not see that anything had happened to necessitate aay alteratioti < They also objected to tho proposal that discharge of all seamen from a hometrado"ship, whether smftly or otherwise, must be before a superintendent. The MimstoT said that the alteration was

jii'.'the'rold' , system,'-whore a>;'single 'seaman. I '.conld ■! '■:'■'. be l: *disdharged>:prifboardvi-'pFor vjnstanDe,ui men B''i-injtit?dj;had.'been' discharged>:'afe;oncofc*ithout ?V/'gotting'dnythihg :at;'al],.iinsteadi6f:';being paid : ; i:;v y , up,Stb'ytho;, tinip s>ofe'recovery. : -However, ho :';>.:,Tyoaj(l!see r what"could:ibp ! 'done.)-■:;',:;■: ; ..;,7j' ,■;•': ; , ■ MrSSnil'th"'said '• they-could lipt :ecei'.why>medii '." ; have; to , :,bo.'carried-on : t smaU i^^'.b6atßS,Tv'hichV'were :; :in. -port practically-'every ■ iV. '.they ,!also.';a?ked }to:; be s relieved V;of '-,'■;■ Bomq^.bf^^hp-i,other vcquipment.'thoy■ had : : , to f'\~ caxijA J 'K- L '4 : ::£'yty^'.:i- : -W' v . ; ■ v--. ; -'>; '■■: :. ; :? ; ': :i;:.il>:Th6.Minister,".said itVpuld',be'iinwiEe.,toVali.'::: .tefetHis : >'asC:they^could ) never,:.tell;:when'; the .J ;■;. 1 i\^V;;^ ; :' : : ;^;:-;;; :-;' ■ : J%'ffi§M*'%s' 1 :;V' ; -.:.^ , .'Qb]^'tibh3l\rorfl?'aU6'. l aUted^tq.."tie'-new. : :pro-' ; .'v-posSlS-!? to;'.provision:' for. seamen v loft. '/■"■ : -,i>;asEß*iat'iii6ii^iatateiliV'Mid l - ; ':to; ■';■ rttfoVi: the appeal >froni'; ';'<[ tion/Vof •:'. »a ■;;.BWabier?s,.-' , boilor'!6r.-.i , flia--' ;-';'j;"cbrairy v ,';.. : : JEptSdl^o.iasiboing-unnecessary".: I'he'new,.;pro;. "{.■vviSioiiSV'as■■*:io',-biTle;vof ■• '■lading > '.-:'it';':\i;a3>,urßed,'--i-V-JVqdliiJbe'' : against tho'interests-of-.'.moronints, V-", ,66vtnfey;asked'"'.that'the;■••p.birer..'of.,a' Court to; i> ''■ declarp:"the':;,conditions-.rea3onablo -should-'rc-' ;.'. : .-: jai.ia.s'l- Thore^w.asxconslderable'jalarm , 'pVei: tho ;■■■ ■; ■'•iproeßsal '■ 'to^idlter»they liabilit) - ;. of .^ownet s^in; :■■'.■;.■: ,'liie^:pte.; \hy .applying tho'.'pro-' ; ,i : ''..visicinsrof .theold ••Act'; to I'saa-going.', yess'ols.'only, •;V' : C as'th^'i'considered-that: '■■limitati.on- > :' ! ':of liability would'be-a -retrograde''stop.-■ :-'"f;'. j- £>ii'^-tbo. k ■; thoi^llinister;. said .'.that. :/'J>hy:tcpiild ; ,np{fseo; that-itha:'change:would Jinat- >;;:;-; ter JSnuch, ; ..and vprpmised"-'ito:-;leave.:tho.;clause i:ii '■: ,-v t '.-.V. r.'vr.-'-Mr.v.Smith-'concludedi'by;: :nsking"vtho';:Min-' :: r'-:.ist6f?-,tp lf 'cpnsidcr.the!;advisability -of-.-making :■■',•:. Vprpvisibn "fb'r". , aUYis6rj"eommittees',Hrt"cbnnec-. ; iKue-.ot'i'rcgUlatiops ! ;:scalcs,,btcV, W;■'^un'deijjvthe'/Act. *■'.'■:'/fifi'fcMrt'" V''v''".?■' :.'■;'■.' ■',■■'.-.: Replying.-'io 1 'a question -1 by.'.another'•■member.'Mihister ; . said-thnt 'it : :.-:;^'as.''rip{. : hifiyintc'htiori' i ; r.lie'v.lippcd'to"get , 'passed-this season—to'-a - "cbm-. ;.,;;'mit;tee; ■ There'.were ■fcwi'p'ractical'mercantile v.: l ; -7nen';iivfth'o' House.yiind:thatrwas^whyhb-had; ';■ y wiShcil'.tb,consuli;th^ • •■•■ Comfiariy'j.; Point 1 / of f Vfcwijp.i ■;.'■■>' i : -:■= ' i TKtf,rtaniigeK6f/thV-if,nion?^oßpaiiy l : -Mii;''W. : :.:',!A'.JiKomiedy,'raised seVeral.pointii'.pf partioular . -'.'intorest -to .his offidcyTho-; proposal .torpror- '■'-.'' hißUSersoris ; ,btheif;:thau; owners'or officera of ■'■•;V''."ft(Bnijijfrbiiiyp.TOanii'.rteit\wbtUd,placo:'thb'''comi' ..,'.,-.■ "pajfy :.very,-;great;i difficulty. !■; At .present ik ; '■ ■'■ in,^yaripus;'placesr" specially:• tO J .:;-:: :; deal#ith < this \ jyort jand vthe results : had been ; ;■■ >:,>atiß'fiictory.:-v; 7 ;^;;:-:^;j:5:-::.;':;.;.:;*-'■::; i: ■.'■;,.- ■ ■ ■',:.~.:'-,: ! rhb A -'-MinistorV. said-.tho reason .-of :the -.'clause :•.'; .n - aS ,fo prevent \any of back - : tbVthe^old; .crlftiping :: , :; He wbuld-see ■,-V-.,wha£;fcbnld v.bß.i-idonotto'iallow-'of ,:mcri -being ':'.•' ■;: - : ensS|od i ;by>:pers'pns';.\who::;Wero;.the -diToct *.i-e----v\;.'--',prtlß3iitatiyes..-of.'.''tho":-eiWiifers.':'-r t lß3iitatiyes..-of.'.''tho":-eiWiifers.':'-; > ."'.* : ':' ■.-i'/'-''--.-'.:';-- r " : :- : 5 v :.-Mr;;-.Keiittedjr.,,voicedi'strjing.'objection..to -tho. :.:■;,-• prStibsar-.that.jn a&essing the horse-power of , ':';:, ■■'a.-w'4 ; tj'account must'bo taken:ef..the auxiliary '• '■> ,: onsiri'es; : ','To !the VUiuori7Cbfflpany'this would '■'<■; meaitt> : an :additibna' oipendituro per T v' :■:';'•■ arirlWrrt' in ■..wages,^by'.reason ;Of :- : tho'. different'' . ?,'. -■fieilfiibf manninij. entailed,;in ; additiori'to struc- : .% titfal.-oltcTations .in tho; vessels.' The auxiliary V •'■'■ t.iipneS-.'nieaht' no more . ; wPrk.,for ■ the 'firemen, .• •'..-.-.' i tiMteers, ■ and','; .and ,'6h6uld'>-not:. ; .bo, rA cobitod.'..::" '•':"",;■•''■"■-■•::.. •.■--"-:•?;--■■.:- r:-."-:':-v: ..'■•■■■•■ ,■■■!'. ; ■ '■/;/::tTlsVMinister;: contended.^that- auxiliary' : en■;;:;;;ginßi)f must ,;w extra: steam aild mean , more ..'.lwbri-ih,.tho;'eiokeholds. : ;As ; a:niattor. of :fact, ■'.;"-'.•.-•'ttti'?<3e'use-w,s put,ifl'oi.the recommendation ■~-'^.: : -;, . 9fMej _ ehginwrs,;'and;,TO\]talfbn-.lrom-41ie'Ans;'. ■•■'.•:■;/trsliin-agreement. ■■.'i-'-'.-.r.-'-A' , ■'■'. ■'','• '",i-Mri'i:Kenii«dy■ isiid 'at Vail to tho-meaning'of,-thb.proposal -that : ■; : ' ■ for turbine .'yjSSSal: thot number-' of; engineers -,'■■ ..-> ,; eh''pfeW' ; 'b9 , Vas^prtMrib'^'-'b'y- ; _tlie- , lGbvernoil-in- *- '.Coitiloil.'': -'/■:'■-.-" y;. y -;:'-\-?! : :--r&,^-y'.~: : ;.'---~!--"■'•'■'■:■'■:.'■■ •■: -' ;: necessary to- ■ ;:, ■:, ihiliide turbinpS,;but. ttofihrould be iio ohange '■::■.-. in:|thSi engine-rooin-: staff, ',u'nlcss■;the-' engines :' v vein ;'ruu ■: faster, and eo. lricre'ased in : power.. :'i : ■•. cbntended/.that^seamen should ■'. ■: '■': littyi' , "to ; oleot■■•which;/Act i they' wbuld : claim': ; ,v ' compensation. , for /injury; under.--. :'Tliey .should /--jiiit'.bo' able, to. olaira'uiiMr. the Shipping; and V' V- goifiipn /Abt/'aM htho Compcniatibn for. Acoi- : .-.": ■:.-;d«iM,;Act as.well.7lf. the new clause on the ;':.po;i'nt i 3Tore.'adopted;it: wouldlinean , heavy a(Jdi- / ■'■.. ■'■■■ , to;' • ■;■.-:-• ;.-■■■: ' :'.-.■; .V-K-'^PBo"Minister- said that : it .had been found . to/provide. somo< : give: and. tako in ':''. "• V-'tJie^Siiatter,': bnt : . if -it'.was',- going ■ W ■ increase. ? : '■■''v'flleiV eipoase::lio;;,wptild ; soe:;if\:it: could /not bo ■'■■"■'■•• dybided. , '..<■:■':•-■■'; ■•:.■;■ '-.'• ■• : ±:!:%:\i ■• ■.. ■ ','■'•■'■ '■':. ■.-■•'>i;CSprtain ! ;Bradley;;;;bf ; .Auckland,/asked the "' ': jUttistfir/.'to /drop iheAproposal -to-ftive certifi- ..;■"' fijteJ; of /service/in-;, respects of ./oil launches, under •jerry-built -: ifefEolsi; would ; bo.''enabled..:toi'compete, -to,-the \/-- J ; Iniritj: ' pf /rettniajVfei^/boati;,;Ho also'asked. ; -''"•'tlKf-Vtb?'. provision'as" to I'submission .of ..'.plans', : - ; sndSspocifications'eho'uldA^ '■■ ■'-•'i-V:4'Thie;M^l3iister, ; intimiited thattha'wholo of the /■ ;I;poihts: ; Taised;:;wqnldf reoeiye;Vhis/caroful.,con-; eidoration'.W&if'^vi&S-^/i!;*^;/;-;;'.:.':•' v //; : * : --'