NO-LICENSE WANTS.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 646, 25 October 1909, Page 8

NO-LICENSE WANTS.

llt|fMPi™ Wffi£s^ffi?^s&f&y:.-'^ ':';-'' ■:•/.'' ■'' Ws'i lWßwinV/fe-Jack-,/of vtiijm</tliere ;■ will.'.b'e • no -Itffiis-;' brought;down providing Jv's;-!:.vifpi(:t^efpijotectionsof'tho'JMaoris'in the 'King 'the mainijoints' of the fe^^^riply-iigiyerr'try;/ thqXE'r'ime {■ Minister. on .■ Satur'0 ASdayyio.\a^larg&; disputation which .waited upon. •£v : i£'..«fic^ f;S £; Messrs.; Spragg, : .with; other; .Alliance, ,;and' Taylor,-t/sK/j/'Mi^Si-ftjfcsLMre^ >'; ■;.-'•?.:•"''/',-.,' '..■'-." §&■;^Sfe?-':;'''4Lb"nii;List;of "Requests.- .V™.:;;,;/-,,/ Adams :CDun'Gttin)--qtated ". that one' thV/rensbhS -fori the .'/visit -/-was to ascertain,' 'tb,ey- could',bedisclosed -the intentions ?-ff?V;ol ; tb6' : PfJ u>" '•Minister.-n'nd,/,hi's,.colleagues i in ■iSv.>.vi'6gaTd,---to; . licensing;legisjatiori.";-.l!ocently, the 'ft : f a';se'ries;of (meetings/tc-en-; ■S:v'."'? : 'aßlb -■ it'--toi test! public", opinion; 'on'i,two '.or three, ■'&'?■>.' of*tKeK'-:inainV-..platiks,' /arid/,, the. Jphenornenal. ;»"':' ?'-■: fciccessVattalned ihiid ishown -> clearly /that-this, agitation 1 -•got',up;/merely by, the '& ■.-:,--:'fai(lers>'.■The,,;paTty,: ; in^short,;,was, practically to/;:' , /; : '.'unamm'oW which " : r;^-r : ;!\they,']aid. , -'mbst-stress was/theabolition ..of, the ■!ii: x i&thieeifrfthsimajoriiy; system,iri-coiinechon.with- /■/;'" : ;K'thb polls;; : There' wasfno 'reason in,' the world '■i- T'why they should be. so'yhandicapped,,and : go ■^•^';^;:^they:^ : 'eskoary^tot /! 'a''■^baM:^m'ajbh^y ,i W-'v cViSoaldVbe -allowed ;td:-Bettle';tholqncsbon. It ■t'i "■ ;,; wasJ.the proved; ?f^ : Vthat .the-bare.majority ..was^a. perfectly stable i^'Aandtfa^ %'■' '•;' -ftftlis?hari<licar< ::se^'eo^tßVjpb. v .wrfe.to;be:;a; ; i'■;'■} lvgrc^vinjuitice,':;an'dVafcjlthe.t.la^t,,election Uiad| :. ; 'C'Vresulted-in'-the'deprivation ,;of ,no .less than HV---N forty-six electorates of ,tho'fnll..benefits; of the. <•■#."'.i r : reforrii'^'tiie'y* w>re.! advocating."'- ■, SO 1 they had :?-;.;f ;: maie':up'their'iiriin'dfl 'definitely that it, must v-*3/;be,altered. -;*£>:'?>;; '^Syr:?';'?. 7 '-:. ■'■ '*■;; :'F':'y '' '•;'■■' pi- : f ;,' • V l v-.-:V- '"'The' ; qu6stion:'which seemed-to be of the next Av-v'-vwereUot^ !'•-'*■ : : but?th'eyV were '-.wedded.'-, to-;, the. (.principle and; :''i : ?i:'- looked'-upon.'it^as-'a most-.urgent matter. -One■ ":''.'■-uof;the'most^'prominent/'questions-in .reference. ■!*'<!■ v bption : -was;the<loclDer system.: It had -i''■■'■' developeil -info a'gross/abuse, and -had. resulted > ; '> .'-: in'a-considerable: weakening' of>"■:the .efficiency J^' - :::; .'; ! 6f i: the'no-license districts.;Jr: ■'-■SiUhey-'a'sked forfa,'/measure-to prevent ,its ;half. h'-Mi :;rroll^ ; :blaiise^whichi i a, ;;-::. be .taken.., They reminded ■'; ; - v- thb ; Prime '.Minister •. of ",tho'/ prbmiee .mddtrlast H^- 'j'oar : - thtit'bbltle" 'licenses';:would?bD ?Kv.-'^nd'Kasfceil^thht 1 , it ';beA;given r'effect "tb rnojr.; '= ft"''.V 'CanteansMat .volunteer encampments ;bo '<&{ '^prohibited.>They were inceiitivo to idhnk and ;; ?> '.".tli'ero 'were' voiy. many', parents would /not :^;; #alldw i . ihbir voliinteers". l unless. *>':'-v-this^danger^-was^^romoM. ■■■;■,;Then'/ -.they, .v,; >«viiskecl -iithat ": the^v.realiv';intentions-• of: ■ tbe> *W:fi''ffam'orß'-M"':t^o' ActAofv,;lßft.;.,-'should;. bo '3.'•';■''given.effbet that-.-thero'.should. be-onlK, tf ; -M;one'' : baKto J bneflicehse^/Tlie i ,aboliUon--of i;bar>%'Jy now, supported ;by, bojai theirade and ■Vj ?«'■/ OieVparty,' andVshould .not be j delayed.;; I Bore *-'>' ; Y> ■ a-lso-. nceU?for Sr- •■■; ,; v*.' v tol^ate^liceiisbs:-'.. , .i'!riie: .law"as '..it-'stboav per-. of /them '.i'/'-iiwithout ;even.'the.'.-formality..',of -.calUn(f:,tt;-fml ; f:-,"v'r'me6tlng--'of -committee, and was :^ ; ' : : /liable' l 't'o:,,bet;grb'Jsly;.-nbused'.;.. iSo/.thev-party ;o-. r ./asked,'.'that.-.wholesale'...licenses.should be.imade; v' : \^s«bjeob'';tb.;the, : 'sara«./lawias : ,appUed to..public-i had felt to .them; ;T iibense'.after:/a. pollYjwas : giveh; the'fright of .'v-:-'iS'rehiwar.for:';'.two "years;.following.;-711118 .was" a ?■■ ; ':-''ithifag i absolutely/, : i ; e'pugnan't.■': to every' principle '?;rv.of-Ucensing:..ln*.'.;,(Hear,. d liear.) /-.Then,;as'the' i'::<L ./.TPshlt- ibf;/ a /slip;-in-the' 'compilation, of, the -.M'.'S. Act.'siwjieh y.the-.''next.; : redistnbu'tioni/ofj''Sent.K fr"Wvtobkjipittceiv.;ttiow\w6nld , ;ho.ih'o''mra ;'>.;.":i,ing : ,valid polls in ; .the city /licensing cli'arrict/K'.i\; ; /;;'.Everyone':\vould : : want -,to/ see .that ,put,,ris;h):. ..iviThbyyaskedinat/not ;"only in/no-lferise. but] ' : 3 '■-' Jn'-license-f districts L'also>vther«. sliould > b'e' 'a' ■i vv/ : J;- li Jaetivity'; iniregard/,to". sly-grog sellivj/'fing,/this.being finite a serious matter.. Depots! the-border .of. ho ; license.districts, should be ;/;; ; '//v prohibited, : ;?nd'' Breweries,;" in '., snob, districts,; 'v/t/'j.snbuld haveto'i'close/ih the same/way as'hotels. .":■: >".- ;.They : felt, very: strbnglyiindeed bbont-. the .King ; gravity^^'of,/licenses there-wiis a, /,';//; reproach' to-the British'people,' and, they were; '~;.-.;•. ; ;,\«>nyinced',! thatVlnbfifacili ties'/.should';.be/per-/ '■'. :;J:!mitted'for: t!' ; '"?nle';'of liquor.within:thelaira in /;;;.'/.-' -whicli;'the',Nntive. jace' was : justly .entitled".to 'J.v.v'prot«btibn, short.'of"'the withdrawal .satisfy ,the Hon-. -:■'.(_ :;bur'- ; /of 'the'--Vpeople;•id''"''Mnhcotion'"-'.with''.this' ,-.-':/•/-matter;;and''fheyviwked'the 'Prime'Minister;to. '-/Z'-t 6ee-'th'at .the'/tCiu'it'Coiintry infuture was pro.; :://.::','://.teoted/ifrbm .'thb'-'salo'of.' ; liquCT; .'..The .re-i >.;-., /''ou'esfJlon:"fheir; list? was' for. '.the provision -of' i".\Ci : - teniperanoe. bsiching-, in Schools, J : They. believetl '{:'■'. -'. ■!';-.th'ail,> , th.ijJtime' - wasripe.'for'tlio/introduction'of ;'v;; .r^'^ : 'V\'/;';''::.';;■.;"':; : \':J': ; ;;;.;;Vivtt-{rhß'/l>r ( ime:|^||) ■.':;•.';.;•■:' f'.;f,-;s; ; ;.Sir,'"Joseph : ;'Ward-.said-.that., the > very, impor-/ ;r /V/; r tant./:;'matter!~ brought /.'before, '-him: would, 'of. ';;;/;vse(!eMr7i;:receive;-thb; very'-"-'".full; end-careful; ;';/-;=-.'.', corisi46ratjon..'.b^. : the /Government,'., but: hs did'' ;,-' /-not/'want'/;them :to .go/away/with' a wrong, im- 1 ;/■;/"';/.,.pressjoh;;and thought :it\6nly/right;to' say that *,'■;'/".illi;bbnrieetibn'iwith'general licensing legislation. %l •.■•*.':/•,«;wbnld be/'.impossible''.to-do anything/this "ses;/;/.S//;sionVs'/PnflininOTt'..;^ p:^ii^^<S'Aot:Atii!;ymliiiK^iV^' /said that', '■ j.:,"./'"./the /represehtntf pM./wonld ;be\considered' ,by' the: i,-i';'^ : .tJovernraent,-/ : he';'meant /considered;.mth:a'vibw; ,'.'■ ///..to "-.The 'J,/;;/-. two mb'st./impbrtaht'pbints raised.we-re.the bare ;..;,:: ;ma7ority,iisd,!the'-I)bm'ibion;.vote //.;;/"/ c<^ised;'the/:/sttong > neces-,- /.''•/ j i eity . : .the / Goyerhnien't/■would- have■ to ; consider ■/.":/■// decisis ",.'/.!|/'.cbuld;;be 'arrived//at.¥i>They,"'could : only"-go W ./- : ;///far as'.publib opinion,'wonld'/allow,'and ' ha'd.'.to. , ,;:c;r <:'■; •;.%/ lead;to. K/For'/,that,;roasbn. ttey/ could,not arrive/ '?';,/ /'.at/.'a decsioh;:hurfedlyi<iand any/..'one arrived ■-/C;'S r /*t.-'KbuldVhavb.,tbSbe.-'such'th!it;.it could,'be ;/v';;;.;giveh':pracj.iwl;;effect.'tb\ih;legislation;/ -y; .- - gX'i;/;/; '%t : ;sFinanciai;;Effe*t; < of./Charirjes;'. 'I, 1 :'-}:] : ;/:'..;/:\wbnld; v arise.';if;l these''/ two 'changes '■'werbimaao'" .;.'/,;,/,rinTrit.4ly.'/':' ! -::;-;.- .ia'.TeYenm. from '.the', importation; oi ■: : ? : .-.f;.;- v -'Be&swn"//',S'rfiyrt,i^ sfcvv/ wbnld'/ Government /;//-;.■.; .thb/'iiccessity ibf 1 prbyiding' at'least-'tuo-thirda :.://;>/ .'o^:that-' : aniount;frb'm'Mbther''-66u'rces.;' ;He did /.//;;;'; ; >bt,' : want v ,i:o')Stt'ut;; liis; ,'eybs;,to..-lh6,.fact>. that [■rSH' : ' this./.woiild'.rnean'■•iji.trs'mciiclflns'-: change ///' internal, system. ofo'titxationX/tHe- was .not.fpre-. //;;;'//;/'pared':.to,/ would -hot bsf ; ■ ! --" ) : ;'■ able, (6 fbeaf-• it;'but the ;fact remained that :to;.-be.:made -. Vv'v .up..Vlt;'ipas;.a;:vcr.y:.6!g;question; Gov--•tf /.-,/'.; ern'mcnt r ? woftld,'?havey,to be_' 'Very "careful'/in' '' H-;/yielding^ y.;;/:'-..asking/forUhe'.'b^eimTO (;':; " : iil ion option...^..But;there',would,;bb_.time between^ session.;^for : /it',to be'gbne.nntb ~/;f./thbrpnghly;; ; ,i^ //i;./; /how' far' tie /requests ;cbuld"be given /effect'to.r ■;■ '% %' : - ; 4!-f>cal King'vCountryj /;' |- ;< ; /.''■V/V/already-./indicatedi/tb .the . House',-that' -they. h ! '-■' /would; legislate' upon ,th« "qnestion.thissession. ;:. r l- /'/(i&arj'hear.) '/He was convinced, that the'origi- ';;//;. ~..ria1,,-;inl«'ntioh 'of'/thev.law'' to; look -upon. this - ! /;'- : /;.. ;'-terr^'6i!jf.;'as ; r-iM'-v.-'-'shbuli;Be 'prese'i:ve<l:;. r (Hear,...hear.) ,A' point '-'■;i.r. ; -npb'n'rvhibh . trre/ v Goyorhment felt r '.i,t dbsirablo; £;-; '■'':' ■ ,to,' effect .'was -that;wholesolo. licenses *;,r ; '.'/fslH>nld.'b6' aboli9lie.d V; /by/?law, and! thatV.//tho ; : '.■. King iCoiiiitry; should bo put^into '.the position /■/./; ".-./-'it .ownjpi<Jd''before.'';: He;/had.'cbme'tio tho./con- ;;/:;/.' be 'better to' hare;;a' %&'■ • ;; lMni^pti«u;pbli;.there i ;simUar ib other ;plaees ■■Z'■yi'^mf- tlie/Dbniiiiiopi :.tb ;cbme;ynfb.operation;at ;' ; --v /'/Jithe next, elebtion.'/,;(A, voice:, "No 1").. AVell,: he them-- frankly.haw, tho GoverDment. ■■'■'■■ - e looked';uponfit.,'-• The/people thero habVmad* : ' : ' ; . i; '■ etrorigsrep'reseirfations' that; mey, shonlfl, be put '-i'~' ' : --in'- th«' ; same" v pbsitibn;;as, folks -elsewhere, and: " ■',;/"he-believed; that this would- be -the beat 'soln-- -';■ '■ ■ /'. ; tibn' of ! the'prbblem. I/He "was jnst as airdoos as '*'■''■ tho dbp'iitafion/to'-'preserTe'the, Maoris,in.©very. '■''i'Z- possible way,"'ibufithb -'position was;an,exoced- ! -/"i-/hlmto;/'Sfl;-quite;a«reed y : i/,:Vbfl';iegislation ; ,to v prevent a '/' ; /^' ; &ker/-system-(hear, :■* '"/"Vestnctioiis;impoeed/;in,(» /" //-' con^tion-,wi^eSenoe,iMtto >^her e jro^ S :•' Sati wait -;nnbl •«»^ wa SJPVi ; // -wtei-^would,/nnd-'t^vthe/iGo«nrm«rf ;/ i /;^;fo-as,high;a;p^an6 1 •'-:;-.:^^ou : .'V/.'. "a. .satisfactory. ,way;/.faim/tl».: stand- ,;/• 7 / J/:,;. j; ; . ■, : h^/'; : //-:

' :'. T Barmaids io ba Abolished. '■ . Tho, Govbrnment generally was agreed that /■ there should bo limitation of bars, and there .'• ,'wa's nlso jinahiniity; in respectto; tho abolition '■ ot".barmaids../'The suggestion on' tho latter • point was that legislation should be made to ' apply, ,to. all. future orj dei-'.to any,, possibility 'of doing, what' ■ ; was harsh or,.unfair. The .diiEculty. in regard. , ; to-tho "city licensing'districts was also one that required' to bo put-right,, while it was surely , uuilecessary for, him to/say.that anything that' .; qould be' doiio to suppress sly grog-soiling, would 1 surely/he done,;.in..nofliconse as well as in j license.districts., The-administration- so far . Had been in- the diroction of "putting ,' .all. over the .country. To allow breweries and '■. dopots. to be' planted on tho. borders of no- > license'districts was" to ■ defeat /the very spirit b. ofvno-liconse, law—(hear, hear)—and provision - would have .to he .made.'to prevent it going on. ! -A limit ■ of;distance■ within whioh they/could ' not be .established 'would' be/submitted for the * -consideratibh; of Parliament;. -Ho . certainly ' thbught'there shonld.be'some;teaching of'tern- .; .perance';principles' in- tho■ schools—(hear,,-hear) r — and-t^q'Gorornmbnt,as,a whole,was.'quite; in, |, accord in'-its'.wish'to" .ensure that the younger •, portion :,of the./commuriily.should/hnve :a full' ■;. opiiDrtun'it'y.'.of-being-.educated .'in this im:' 'i 'portant matter.., Bottlo. licenses'should be done' , away.withVand' the matter of the .1 was under consideration, with a view to; seeing, v what could bo done in that connectipn./rThe, ', Govornment:had ; uot so'far considered'the prO- > posals in Mr. Laurenson's Bills,'for. the pbvious 1 reason'that they could not do anything this ' session//;-Ho. and-/his /colleagues "fully Jrecog-' 1 nised; .<&o of, the 'movement, and' 'i were,only'desirons.• 6f; doing what,was, right, so [1 far as-;,if was: possible. .The whole of tho 1 matter's laid Jiefore';him., would -be -placed be-' '/ 'fore';jiis-:isollbagues-alsb,; but- it" was-only fair; \ .fcnyhin}: to. say/that .it could not : be-done until ', the.reooss.'/A"V;-'..■■■<.-,:-i..; . •'.;, -;-'-■- V V. : Questions were" 'pnt;to the Prime'-Minister, 1 by.'Several'members'of, the deputation with re- '■■ gard; to "'.the .; legislation /at, -which 'he", had ; 1 -hinted.-'m Ore especially.in connection irith the King. Sir-- Joseph -Ward, however,' ' suggested.that they, had better wait -until it. ! was actually brought .down,--for. many matters ', had not yet been settled,-and he was not free, i' to'sjeak-abbutvthem'. .'He./could just say this '■ definitely,; that ..they should absolutely, restore prohibition, against, the Maori in every way,' ; .and tiat/b'oing- so,;,j.t. logically followed that--1; -the' Natives should riot;be allowed to vote upon; '-' 'the local'option;proposals.foreshadowed in con-/ , neqtion". : with; , the"Klng' Country. ".