THE HOUSE.

Dominion, Volume 3, Issue 644, 22 October 1909, Page 5

THE HOUSE.

' PRIVATE MEMBERS' BILLS. Tho Ilousc met at 2 30 pm The Koman Cntltnlic Archbishop of Wellington 13mpoworing Bill (Mr. Wilford) was read a hrst time The Auckland nnd Suburban Drninago Act Amendment Hill (llr Baumo), and Otogo District (Hojpitnl) Board Kaitttngatft Ecservo Vesting Bill also pnssed their hr t readings TO SAVE DAVLIGHT. -Mr. blDtlY (Cavcrshanr) moved the second readiD b ' of tho New Zealand Loc»l Time Bill.

his .Bill proposes; that from ■$ aim: Of the last bunday-tn September of each-year, until 2 a.m. •?' the last bunday: in'.ilarch, local-time (that ??W--, tlmo . to bo observed throughout, New igalaiid..under the Bill)' shall be ono hour n; advance of New Zealand mean time, and rom 2 a.ra. of the last Sunday in March; until 2. a.m,_ of> the last Sunday in September, local ;imo snail be the same as New Zealand mean ;ime, VVhenever any expression'of time occurs in any Act, deed, or other legal, instrument, io time mentioned or referred to shall, unless t ■ is . otherwise specifically. stated,' bo deemed to be local time. . . ■-.-. ' . ■ Mr. Sidey said that the Bill, was similar to the•Daylight Saving Bill introduced into the .House of Commons in 1907, . and tho Alteration-of Time Bill'introduced a'year ago by;Mr..lzard. Like most new proposals, this one had had to pass through a stage of ridicule,- but. that it had now- passed that: stage was, shown, by tho consideration which had been given to tho proposal in other countries. . A. similar Bill was now before the Victorian tehament, and it had been stated that out =miS- em KTS.' ; whose options had been sought .in that Mate on the-measure,-303, were n favour.ot it. The Bill was also approved byworkers,associations, the Education Department and/other bodies in Victoria. He claimed hat. the,proposal was worthy of the consideration of .everyone who had the welfare of the community.at hearty Hi> thought that the first proposal, of this kindwas made by Mr. G. V. Hudson, of. Wellington, in a paper which '. ho' read'fourteen years ago before tho .Philosophical Society .* The ■ ■ alteration • to time, he suggested was that recommended, for the sake of simplicity, by,tho Committee of the Houso one. hour in..,the . spring, and backward one .'hour.; m the autumn. \ If .the change-were .made the chief advantages would be the, greater use of daylight, during tho sumraer months, especially for Tecreative pur'•°f?' J '??t d '-* r . edu , ctit>n . in: the use.of artificial lght.Jt; would be very beneficial to workers m.shops and factories, who lost much, of the lenehte of sunshine at the present time. In Island it would be,advantageous to fefe I ? k , b ? c ;i , n , ore TV t , l > n n one.:hour. In thp Spilth Island, if the Bill.was carried, there would, be enough, daylight for two months of ;ne summer to allow of.- outdoor'recreations being continued up to 8.30 p.m. in the ZZ i and ,9 p.m.. in the winter. Mr, Sidey enlarged ! on the-advantages which, hia scheme ■ offered iTi!?l'l ye t rS l v Olvdfollo^ e ?. of other snorts, and stated that there.wonld'be time for teers .to do more extensive- field work and shooting practice., .The .change he recommended would rjactbeneficially on thehealth, happiness,and,,hebelieved,the complete, moral life of;,, the '-country... ~';■;,- ~!... .... '-•■ .■ Replyvto'Objections. , ; ; ' to; 'the Bill it -had been- etated fcat•• this-., not a matter, for legislation, f htm individual. wanted -more' daylight in the ; summer be; had, only, to get up a .little earlier and retire to-bed a little sooner.'.. Such an-, objection ,'■ wae absolutely valueless, because those .who wanted lo do .business, for example must : keep their offices open- at the .time when other,- people; were /similarly occupied. 'The ■change: could ;:only be, made if the .whole community ..adopted .it. r It was also:'stated: that the interfere ;with'natural law: and; with. the time which; the sun. gave us,' but ?™ : -im? l 'M™ w ?s Entirely: artificial; de. signed ; .to, suit.; convenience. •:■ Another- objection %:*£s? h ?:S?''ght-more -weight; , might be attached,; was,that .owing'to; the time at which' messages;-;'w.ero':.received from the "-Old proposal, came into force, a numbeivof.-, the cables- which: now appeared' in the: moi-mmr. papers Jinight be shut' out. - That wae.probably the only serious'objeotion"he had heard;to .the There '•was' Pnly one ■■■■proposal would /Hot benefit; -.and-that was.'thoso:who now.fully utilised the daylight.; ~;There;were not many-such; possibly he : |airyman was, the ■: one exception to .the ™ of his •measure. ■ The -saving-in 'artifl<jia 7 hght eapji year, if this' Bill were passed ■ Won rtamonnttp» million pounds. Very nearly thepostof a-DreadnqugUt would besavS by the proposal; ;(Meniborsi'. ■:• easily.) ■ There 'might !? .some 'objections raised -b'y-.'the- :<3as and. similar institutions, -biit probably there; would be ajlarge. increase' in,the. tramway revenue, people'wpuld- do a • great wonld-become the, very best! part 'isf'the"day; t-. wafl;-.apparentlj :a- defect of the- law : that there- was' v np: statute which provided-for one uniforin .time being , adopted- throughout the apnnlvy.', ,"■•■': i'.'■'■.' '.-.' '■■'.•■/■:'■'■:' ■.■'■.-."•t-y ■ Example .of Sawpiilt*. ..'. .' i. : ; ,x ; .. X W ; SiAIXWpRTffy '(Kaiparai ''■:■ said .' he would support the Bill: -Co-opei-ation was not sufficient; to'brinj, the/change-mto;..force-.-, In-, the,.sawmrlla••6f''the north the clock .was put ??,e:vrefy'tUiiiKrer!fpr /; an how or hour and a ■half.V. A'.i;.,v.v.r,f.'...<.:v;-:»"...-,;;-:-.:,:'.; ' .-r •-.-■ . ' :-,Mrv: MIpAEEN; ..Wellington East). said --.he would;support the.meagre so farvasao have lir fully '--discussed- in, and; out ?of .Parliament. , there-..could >bo-:no doubt of the' advantage to factory;;vfbrkers; but.in out-of-doors'qqcupations ;w,as- generally; put on. from half Van four? tg an-'hour I 'in , "wiiiter.- '/ -■ ■ ' ".'"■■• : -Mr. :-Q;,'.M,'' THOIJSON ; (Dunedin; ; North) strongly pbjccted : tp the Bill as a proposal to deceive ourselves. The'pbange wpnld throw a great many, things of'gear. .It was not possible to alter thi itfpvermmts of the heavenly ,bpdies..-,\'lfvemployers.-.'-wanted-,,t.q open their offices or education authorities' their schools at eight'o'clpck:,- instead of -nine,', let 4hem: agree to ;do so.;'. In Switzerland,' he' believed, ; the schools',were opened at about e,30;.a.m. in' the summery. It; wojild be a very.: good 'thing to make , 'more. use. of •'the morning' hours, but: if this';Bill were passed there '.would be a great deal of;inconvenience and.need for:adjustment. Prime Minister Supports the Bill.!".' ( • Thei. PRIMI3 MINISTEB said he thought there .Wjlsia very,', great'deal an the Bill. He did. not rbplieye.. it was: possible to alter < the time by. co-operation, and he thought it would be; an enormous benefit to many people'to have ■'the'. use of, the. additional '.daylight..: If \they could' start business 'an' hour -earlier in the suramer:an<l'leave off an hour sooner.-it would be a , '; vefy.-' great 'advantage.' 'The ■ -proposal -would' [not : cause..' a-,conflict between /north and .:'south, 'or east'-' and west, "if it .tt^.Vv.the-'..' law' ; of . 'the /'land. He did not'.say that it should be the law of the land,' but he said, that there was a/great. drtl l n .y } ! # 'ws.oiily from: the saving -'of artificial; light.,-"It would be- a great cdvantage if instead; pfjfetting on or: off a boat in. Wellington afdgnt o'clock at night people could do so atseven.. The'.advantagesof. the ripposal to office'workers would be very great. '■■ ■••■ ■ A'memberr Half of them-would get-the sack lit Wellington.: : •' They: wouldn't be able to get upo : , -''-.-t , -'V.-"" -■'• '■•'•■•.*■: '■••■-. ■.-•■■'■■•" '- : -.- ■■■•■..-:•: ■.Sir. Joseph said .he'thought that before "many years wenfby-thejproposal would-be'' the'law of .the.'wprld'at'large. ■■When they .had more (laylight— -,- ■■; •-:' : '-..'.,•.-.'.- :■■■/.'."i , •-.'■'■ ■;,.. !r But you can't get it. "■'--•' •'■'■-'. ;' Sir.Joseph' Ward:-Why-'not?: ■ .:!.." ■".''■ " :; mi?- K.^ x CT^^niiKh'tjri wonlt.allow.it. : The Prime .Minister, said that after- the' first <lay:pcpple would get 'used.to the change;..'He did not think the-Bill deserved:any- sort-.of r.idiculß,.and-,he would support it on the <ccond ireading.-,,;As .a Wollingtonian • had been the. fi'rst-to propose, this, thing': no reason .-..why New' Zealand: should- not lead in what hevbelieved' would be a very: important .proposal.•.■■.■'.■.,..■.;;,:-"■.■;:'■■ ■ - "-.,,;,: ■■■■■ Mr., Wilford Siigßeitj a Committee, v'; ' '■ ■'.';• ! ,Mr. WILFO'jJD (Hutt) predicted that every nipr.mag paper in New Zealand would be against the fßill,. because they would lose the Australian-cables,:.which .would be only availablo'for' the evening .papers... He did not say that' the point was insurmountable, but it-re-quired consideration; The proposal' had so many .bearings that .it was difficulttosee how it could be worked.- He:did.not know how it would'benefit' tho farmer, who'got up at dnvlight and worked'till dark, but. if those wio worked; in factories could get i'reo' at five 6'clock, instead of six, if. would have a considerable effect-on the physical culture of the rising-generation. The change'would have to be universalj: train and,.steamer times would have.to, be', altered. , "Therewas a-great deal to bs said in favour of the Bill and* a groat deal against it. The.saving in.artificial light to -manufacturers nnd others would be enormous; If: the. Bill could be made in somo sort of-way ciperimentcil, for a beginning, so as to exempt particular trades or thp farming community, as he thought would have to Iμ done, it raight.be. found to-work satisfactorily. But no member could deal adequately with this subject after a few minutes' consideration, nnd he urged. that the Bill should be referred to a committee for,consideration. . '-.-"■ More AdvaiiJapcs than-Disadvantages. -. Mr. HANAN'(lnvercarsill) hoped-tho'movci would agree to refer tho Bill to a committco He thought if the measure was thoroughly investigated its > advantages would bo found tc outweigh: its disadvantages. The mental, moral and ■ physical .development of, the yoiing pooplc would ponefit if this proposal could bo applied to schools and factories. 1 The' more sunshine and fres-h air these .young 'pebble couW get the better, and mord expert would-be thcil mental faculties. Ho hoped that thoßill wouli! .-receive favourable .consideration: and. bo well discussed. ■■■■"' ;'.' . '■'• : ■■■'■ ;■■■'. :•••"• . '.-Mr. POOLE: (Auckland West) urged that il \vas npt chaeing a phantom to discuss this measure,;wliich :might. mean much- to the countrj in ;days ; to There -was great compotitior in the, industrial world, and the nearer we col to oporatione in the daylight tho more likelj ' would wo be: to get thevbest rosults , from oui industries. . On that account he intended ti support the .Bill.,; In the citic , ) mi hour savet iii tho ovciiings; was of creator value to; tin Ordinary :workpr. thsii u> hour- in the mornins. , i-: HV .. ,'MJi ■:■■*• «"-..-^*3;i:,i,'lj;ivj'aiS^.-;'i , ;~"J■'-...- J) ".».": ',

;_ Sir" WILLIAM STEWARD-(Waitaki) said that , probably themover did' not expect to get his •Bill on the: statute-book; but the reform was/likely.'to'be adopted before long not.only m Now Zealand but.also in -Australia and the Old Country. If the. Hill were referred to a committee to take evidence upon it he thought the committee would report that the advantages of the Bill far outwoighed its disadvantages. The morning dailies that would be most affected would be those of the four cities, .where the telegraph office was opon all night, and the small instalment of Australian cable news coulj still be set up. if the. paper were issued an hour earlier, practically, tor some months rf the year. In the secondary towns the telegraph office closed at 12 o'clock, after which one coulj not net.cable or any other news. The question of-too. cables was the only really practical objection raised, and ho did not think it had much weight. ■■•.■•• Mr. J. C. THOMSON (Wallace) said tKo question, was receiving, world-wide attention, but he did not think it would be advisable for New Zealand to stand alone in this mattor. There would be need of uniformity throughout the British world. He would vote for tho second' reading, and- hoped the mover would agree to refer the measure to n select ;committee,. If their report was favourable he suggested that .the Government should take' upon its shoulders the responsibility of making this important change. - . ■ '■'.:. Referred to Special Committee,' Air. SlDEY.'inreplying,'said that the difficulties • of . carrying out the proposal by cooperation, without an Act of Parliament, would be almost insurmountable. If a man wanted to rise earlier in tho morning he could not retire earlier at night, and, at the same time, conform to the customs of others. He could not even attend a public meeting if he.wished to retire early. The Bill had been considered by very eminent men in; the Old Country, ineluding scientific men, who 6aid that there was absolutely nothing unscientific, in the proposal. If Australia adopted the'proposal; , there would be no "further objection by the Press' Association. We were now in advance of Australian . time by 1 hour 40 minutes, and the morning papers would not loso the reports of proceed, ings of the previous day. ■ A certain amount of matter might be: lost to the -evening papers. If the clock was altered, it would not be necessary to alter a single time-table. He was quite satisfied ..to refer the Bill to a Committee. •■■lt was decided that the Bill be referred to a Select' Committee to be hereafter named. ..:' ' .EDUCATION BILL. ' Iir.SIDET moved the second reading of the Education Act Amendment Bill, which provides for.-, the compulsory establishment by Education' Boards of. continuation schools, and also ■for.compulsory attendance at 6uch schools. -.The- Hon. J. A, .MILIAR raised a point of order, that Clauses i and 5 made the Bill an appropriations Bill. ...The SH3AKEK upheld the objection, and the Bill was discharged from the Order Paper on this account. ' . ; : ■ ' •'' - MARRIAGE ACT AMENDMENT. .The lion. 'Sir WILLIAM STEWARD moved the: second reading: of the. Marriage ment, Bill, which he 'has brought forward in previous sessions. The. object of the Bill is to; validate marriages mado.or .to lie made beween, e> man, and his:deceased wife's niece, or;.between •'.a woman and her deceased husbands'nephew, ahd'tclegitimatiso the issue of such marriages. ■ . >■•■.• • : : Tho. mover :gave a typical instance of the .sort'of; caso-his Bill, was intended: to meet as .follows:-A'.widower, of 40 years,'with two or three small children, finds it necessary to seek a second helpmate for his children's sake as well as for. his own.; There is a widow lady who, but for her age, would be entirely suitable, namely his late wife's sister, 'who an vJ?r ye T of ag^ ? he has a'daufjhteraged 30 years, who would be a very suitable person, -well known to him, to take charge of the widower and his children. But the law which is vproverbiallv " a hass " forbid?' a union witfi this, lady; because She 9 is thl widower'sjate wife's, niece, .though .he is I™, at "borty to. be.married- to -her mother. That; was ■ thejposihpn'whichiheVmbver..wished to remedy. 'He admitted that Bills amending marriage laws should be brought forward by tW.Government of _the day,; but Government's had usually so' many large questions to tackle that such Bills wore nearly i always left to private , members.. : : ■ • ■ _The:-second•readfnß.'was agreed l to,: and the BilLwas.set down ■ for committal on November 11.' ■• : ■ . ■ ■' ..'• •.■■..; . ■ ... SOCIETY OF MUSICIANS BILL. : rtu''<i w^t'/ip^ijing:the: second reading-Socieixiof--Musicians Bill. ■wif v :aK * at , the.third timo.that the Bill had.been_ brought forward. He .contended that-membership!would be'ofiittlo 'value uni 'lvrVViT , y™ P r ? T '!i ecl -" ll i'.that respect tho M flowed■ oiy.similar-Ji :nt% ,,to those of. the Accountilnts-Act'which'was-pdssed'by Parliament ..last year. ;.:Under the Bill no rights were taken away from anyone practisinc' as n musician;., Its main object was to' unite tho nino separate musical societies in the Dominion. At one time there 'were. differences of opinion among ;.musicians- as-to the' value of tho Bill, but now ■ there was' unanimity 'on the point. ,It was his opinion that the Bill would tend to raise the standard of musical education throughout the Dominion. - ' : ,1i VM ' v HAE ? Y ■ A - t^n, ; that ..the Bill should be t ;referred i to; α-commitfee of the House.; Steps should be taken to nrevent the enactment of slipshod legislation,' It was well Known .that the Accountancy. Act had not riven anything; like eeneral satisfaction. ' •D.n e v >3 i J :POO . IJ3 v aIId ' BAI,ME ft""?" the Bill should again be referred to the Education Committee. : . ' '. '. ... \ After the ■second reading had been aWreed to, it was decided, on the motion of Mr. Sidl«y, tc Tefer. the Bill to. the Education Committee for report .within fourteen days.' ILEQISLATURE AMENDMENT BILL .SECOND BALL.OT SYST EM V DISCUSSED; Mr./FISHER then moved the second reading of the Legislature. Amendment BUI. He said that the-object sought to be attained by the Bill was.the repeal of Second Ballot Act, and-it-was proposed• to substitute in place thereof a system of' election,;which would Inable a voter, to mark hisvbting paper in the ■?J d ? r ' o VB re 1 . fe . ren , ce '' I P'' w l>ioh:he'wißhes to see the candidates placed at- tho end of tho poll The Absolute ifajority.BiU introduced by-Mi-ll Nab provided that, after the elector had ft"|> -Moal .should indicate bj fi f, uree ,! hß .candidate whom he preferred next after his _ first choice, jrhe strong objection Pi }■'&% ?i"■ ■•S'M-.baspd:mainly on the giound that.the contingent vote was not a compulsory yo.te, Under the measure before the' House, it.\vas proposed that the contingent vote;should;be compulsory. His system would .?*,» '* *?■:evils of the second ballot system. It was.his opinion that ho member oi tho House would-try. and imagine that anj second ballot, was gone through without thi expenditure on the part,of the candidates ex. ceeding amount allowed ' by law. Easilv h 6 Sf /r n't 3 a 10 .'? 1 ?" electoral sterns; the Second Balot Act had not yet appeared t the ;people, in its, worst phases. ' ■ Defects of Second Ballot System. . ■:■"■ allegod; that under the proposed systenr there, would lie'a lot of informo? irtZa I" fPly, would Temind mon electors had been disfranchised under the pre sent system ..than under any other system ftal had been tried m New Zealand, fhe Seconc Ballot .Act would, never be seen'in all its u»li ness until the parties were more evenlv b°al aneed,' On the last election tho Second Balloi disfranchised over 10,000 electors. There: wen cprtaiu classes ,who were unable at certaii times to attend a secomr ballot. An Act thai deliberately disqualified absent voters shoulc be.amended, if not repealed. Sir Joseph Ware had prophesied that there would be only tw< second ballots; but,; as a mattor of fact, then had been 24. Then, again, the Prime Ministei had had_.the.limit of expenses for the'seconc ballots fixed -at but nobody knew- hov much, they cost: To his certain knowledge, thi expenses in one case had been no less thai £450. He. denied that an elector who did no: want to give any candidate even the niinimim preference: would refrain from voting val ; dly If his system'had'been, in'force on the occa sion of/the Eangitikei Mr. Mel drum would undoubtedly have w.on.. Under thi proposed ; system' plumping was disallowed. .Hi suggested : that members should.allow the Bil to go to committee. Whatever tho House did he" trusted that ir would adopt Clause G.vwhibl sought '.to repeal the Second Ballot Act; ... , ProposedSystemilmperfect.' ■ . . •■■'.Mr. LATIEENSpN did , not hold that tli. Second Ba|lot Act: was perfect, but he did no believe in replacing one imperfect'system b , another : imperfect •system. What had beei the: result of the-second ballot? ■ Why 1 constituencies had .'at .tho second ballot con firmed th.eir choices' at the first ballot. B guaranteedvthat the.average man and womai would-find the proposed-system very compli cated—in' fact, it would be confusion worg confounded. He would not object to the ■ re peal of the Second Ballot Act, but he was no in favour o£ the introduction ofa system whicl would - ' bo found generally '.'impracticable;'. Mi\ Masse'y iSupports the Bill, y ' ■. '■•.-■, Mr. MASSEY saidiit. was : a-fact that th", Opposition .gained' by tho :operation of th Hccoml>Ballet Act s Hut such,a mattor shouli not be': governed'' by.: warty: coiisidpratiuu Ur. Lfturuiitxiu liaU suj.purtvii .\li'. Sill

but: now he' had denounced Mr. Fisher's Bill which was framed; on similar Hues, Person-' ally he believed: in a . system of, proportional representation. Hβ was, however, going to "support Mr. Fisher's Bill because it was an infinitely lesser evil than tho Second Ballot Act. Jlr. Massey referred to the evils of tho second ballot system. Putting a supposititious case he said it might happen that Ministers would, during the interim between the first niid second ballots, enter a district and bring some of the candidates ■ together so that forces ■might bo joined to crush the candidate of one party. It was (he continued) within tho bounds of probability that Ministers might bo guilty of discreditable manoeuvring. They might promise a candidate, defeated at the first poll, that if he assisted their candidate at the second election they would assist him afterwards to secure a new seat that would be created. Then again, it might be that Ministers might offer another defeated candidate a seat in the Upper House if he helped their candidate at the. second ballot. He (tho speaker) was not so suro that things like that had not happened in New Zealand. If tho Second Ballot Act was not good enough for other countries it was not good enough for the Dominion. The second ballot elections had directly cost but nobody knew how, much they had cost indirectly., It would be a good thing if there were larger districts, returning not , less than three members. He would like to see automatic purging of the rolls re-established. ■ ■ Criticism by the Prime Minister, The PRIME MINISTER said that he could make it clear why Oppositionists were'so soro about the Second Ballot Act. At the general, election in 1905 the Government candidates polled 288,323 votes, whilst the Opposition, candidates polled 126,576 votes, and Independent candidates 57,282 votes. In 19O8.the Government candidates secured 239,320 votes, the Opposition candidates 113,134 votes, and the Independent candidates 58,043 votes. It would be remem>ered that the former election was held when the qld;system. was in force, whilst on the occasion of the latter election the second ballot system .was in operation.'., He was against .the proposal .to,establish-largo districts, because it would lie.'playiiig:iiitb the hands of the,wealthy classes. With such . districts there would be a limitation of choice as regards candidates, for the cost of covering a largo district would be too great for maiiy candidates. Referenco to Rangitikei Election. : , ■ The State payment 0f,..£50 towards the cost of each candidate's expenses at the second poll had led to an increase in ■ the number of second ballots.. He-was sorry that Mr. Massey had referred to the Bangitikei byelection, even though he had not mentioned it by name. , • : , . Mr. Massey.: The cap fits. ■ . ■ Sir Joseph went on to refer to the remarks which Mr. Massey had made in the qpurse of his supposititious case. Instead of being a reflection on! the Ministers and the candidates they were a reflection on the electors of the district. He did not believe for a moment that the electors would be influenced, as had been suggested. It was also his opinion that no attempt at such a.thing had been attempted by anybody; There * was. b great difference between tho results, of tho,last election and of previous elections. Mr. Massey: You can see it on this side. The Prime, Minister: Tho > hon. gentleman will not have any dairy regulations at the next election. There will be no suggestion that the Government is tho enemy of tho men that own the cows. After two and a half years in which to roview the position and realise tho truth of all that, cow-spanking business they would vent their judgment on the heads of those: who had misled them. ■ Mr. Buchanan: The Appeal Court will bo against' you. • ' , The ,\ Prime Minister went on to refer to "bogus" dairy regulations, and in reply to an interjection by Mr. Massey: "What bogus regulations?" said he meant the regulations which were never adopted, which were referred to a ' committee ' to be reported on and were nevor gazetted. "Do you mean to say," he asked, '%at they did not use regulations that were never in existence at all?' , . ; . ■ ■■'. •.-... , ' ■ "Mr: Fisher: There is nothing'aboutV dairy regulations in mjr Second Ballot Bill. V ...The Prinio Minister, claimed that his remarks were in. order.".; These dairy' regulations' had played a terrible, part 'in the last elections. ;jfr. Massey: The "cow-spankers" spanked you with them. (Laughter.) '. ■' Proportional Representation in Australia. Sir "Joseph Ward asked what had been brought about by proportional representation in .Tasmania. Within a few months of the election-.thero had been two Governments in office, and it.-.wns stated in. the cable, news that night.,that the- -tccond Government was about .to. go out, and.a third Government to 'take" office. "\. ; " ■ '' ".'"'' "'•' ': " ■"' '":;.,■.',' ■> A member: The third party system' Vis responsible for. that. . . . ■ •, . Proportional representation, the Prime Minister went. on. had brought about a want of stability of .Government'within a short timo of the elections. (Mr. Massoy: You know the system had nothing to do with it.) Was a system of that sort wanted in New Zealand? Mr. Massey: -Arc you afraid' of the same thing happening.here? ~ . ■ '■''■The Prime' Minister: I am not afraid of anything. ;. He asked if it would be advantageous to the country if, under a system of proportional representation,. the ■ Opposition just got into, poweri and stayed in for a month or two, nnd after that another Government was in •power for a month or two. It would result in disorganisation of the country. New Zealand had benefits by having a strong Government,, which had been able to resist many things that would have been injurious to the country. '. Tho Electoral Law. ' He" was very pleased to hear Mr. Massey say that he would like tb revert to the old system of dealing with the'rolls'.' How many times, during the .«ars that he had been in charge of the Electoral Department, had he had, to the Government party' from at tacks upon the system of having everyone pu( on - the roll. > ■~ ' . ■ . ■Mr. Massey: Not the automatic purging. ..' The Prime Minister: And having those who did not vote at elections automatically removed. •Mr. Massey: Oh, no. The Prime Minister said he had had continuous complaints on 'that score". > ■; Mr. Massey: Not from me. '•The Prime Minister: Well, from'other-mem. pel's of your, party. Mr. : Massey: I can't remember one. ■ Ihe Prime Minister said he had heard complaint after complaint that people were taken off the.rolls who should not have been, and that!men were employed to put people on the roll-who_Bhonld- not haTe. been. ' He believed himself that the old system was a good one, and it was in consequence of the continuous complaints that a- change was effected. In no case had there been interference ,by the Minister in charge of , tho .Department witi the duties of the: mpn-who' carried out elections: In_ reply ,to Mr. Massey, Sir Joseph Ward said:.he .was> quite favourable to the restoration; of the automatic system. He' believed that everyone, who was twenty-one years of age should be put on the roll for elections if their residential qualifications were satisfactory, and if they did not' exercise theii votes their names should'be'expungedi Cost of Second Ballots. Mr. Massey,had declated that the cost of the second ballots would bo .£20,000. ■Mr. Massey:: ■Very -little; short of it. The Pnme;Mini6ter:; That is the cost to the ■conntrr ; ?;-v'-''■■■■■■"» ■':.': .:;■'■-.•/,■...■.;.:.;.■■. -. cost - tc-Vthe , country wouli be ,five' times .^20,000.■ I aiu'speaking of the waste .of l public time and '-money. The' ; :I J nmo' Minister, said 'he'had broughl down 'a retu'rn of'the', expenses' of candidates. Mr.;. Massey:..' All,-that-is!, a very small pro portion 1 of '■ the cost.'.■-..■/ ' , . , The 'Primei Minister:- What'do you meat by that? Hewas prepared to give the fullesl returns. The Prime Minister stated thai candidates, were formerly put up for no othei purpose than to split tho votes of the Govern ment candidates. Under the'-second ballot sys tem that could not be done. ..■■-■ : Mr.,-Massey: Very much worse is done. The ' Prime Minister: I don't think 60 so far as I am aware. He could not agree that after its first , trial the Second Ballot'Acl should be abolished or reduced. The absolute majority, system hael been condemned by al most every country in the world. !v:Mr. Mnssfy:, Nothing of.thc sort. : ..The Prinie Minister:■• Many people who for inerly supported it are opposed, to it aftor thoii experience ofjts operations in various parts o! ; tho world. , The Prime Minister criticised thi clause condemning every voter to exorcise liii preference vote. If a man had a terrible griev anco against a certain candidate, was it righi that he should have to vote for him if he tool a ballot'paper? : Mr.. HANAN. (Invercargill) objected to th( proposal to make it compulsory for every elec tor to .exorcise his preference. Proportions representation had ,not met with that favoui in .the Australian colonies that might b< thought. In the Victorian Assembly tho Bil had been thrown .out.--by-a "large majority Tho Second Ballot Act had its weaknesses bin it should bo givon a fair trial. Mr. Merries on the Dairy Regulations. ■Mr. HEIiBIES (Tauronßa) said'that if Mr Fisher hnd-moved his Hill from tho other sidi of the Honsu he-.would easily hare got hi second reiidhij!.,.lie believed llmt if thu Kahgi tikel-'election.httd'gono ugaiust tho Governmeii they; would bavo wu tUe Act iU»hshed. ■ -U-Cl-'-■:.'•■;'■■••.... ,:^r^- ' ~ ' -

"\l'ke'Primo Minister: No you wouldn't. Mr. Hofrics said tho Prime Slinister had laid down some remarkable theories. He had laid down the theory that any Bills or regulations which the Government laid on the table of the House were bogns. ' '..-•■'■ The Primo Minister: No I did not. Mr. Hemes replied that if the Government's dairy regulations were bogus other regulations and Bills which they brought down must be of tho same character. The Prime Minister: What did you tell your electors about the regulations? Mr. Hcrries: I told them the plain intentions of the Government as shown in the papers they laid on tho table of the House, and I maintain that that was tho' intention of tho Government. Mr. Herries added that ho did not judge the intentions of the Government from a Bill as it emerged from the' Chamber. He judged their intentions from the measure when it was brought down. When it emerged from that Chamber it represented the intentions not of tho Government, but of the members of the House, and sometimes Government Bills emerged from the House in a form in which the .Government would not recognise them. It was only necessary to read the dairy regulations to any farming community and they would 6ee how ridiculous they wero without tho necessity for comment. It might be a good thing not to have too frequent changes of Government, but a change was advisable sometimes. He supported the present Bill because it represented an improvement on the present methods. The ticket system was just as'rampant under the second ballot system as it would to under, the proportional representation system. He never heard any other member of the Ministry speak in favour of the Second Ballot Act except the Prime Minister. Personally ho lelieved in a Horo system -with large'districts. It was. also his opinion that the TJpper : House should be elected on tho same lines. Sir Joseph: The well-known men would be elected under that system. ■ . Mr. Herries: And why not? Mr. Millar; The wealthy would be elected tinder your system.. ■ ,' Mr. Hemes: Not necessarily. : Resuming, Mr. Herries said that he thought a system of proportional representation should be tried in regard to tho Upper House. Mr, Fowlds Objects to the Bill. The Hon. G. FOWLDS (Grey Lynn) said thai he had not altered his views materially in connection with the question. He still believed in a system of proportional representation. II would be possible under Mr. Fishery. system for a candidate gaining tho lowest'number oi votes on the first preference to be elected, and, what was' more, i it would also bo possible foi a candidate that had an absolute majority or tho -first preference to be' thrown out The method of counting in .the proposed system did not come up to that of. either Mr. M'Nab'a Bill or that of the ■ Second Ballot Act. He went on to say that the dairy regulations which wore trotted round by some can didates at. the recent election were only drafl regulations and had never been adopted.' . ' Mr. Fishep: .This. Bill does not proposo t< give'.cows a vote. (Laughter.) Mr. Fowlds: There is more sense in sonu covrs than in some Bills that are brought be fore this House. ..-.' ■■_ . '■• ■' . ■ Proceeding, Mr. Fowlds said that not lon( after the-general election, sorao members wh< had much to bo thankful for to the dairj regulations, had met and blessed them. It wai hia- opinion that: even if the regulations hac adopted in their, original form and nd mmistered'with reasonableness, they would hayi resulted in very great-benefit to the industry Evils of the. Second Ballot. . Mr. MALCOLM (Clutha) thought that if th< country, had applauded the dairy regulation: the Government would not have omitted to tak< every, credit for; them. '-He did not knov whether he.favoured Mr. Fisher's Bill, but hi intended to support its second reading as i would awake interest in tho question. Then could bo no doubt that the interim botweei the first and second ballots gave opportunity for undue influence on the part of a Govern ment. Giving-the Government credit for al houest intentions,.'thero.- could be no doub that there was Ministerial interference in con noction with the Eangitikoi by-election. ' Mr.' Millar: Who started -it? , , .- ; Mr. Malcolm: ; I am not. referring .to thi mere going of tlie.-'Ministers into, tho distric and delivering speeches. . Continuing, Mr. Malcolm said that one o: the Ministers, during the Bangitikei election made:a Speech, in which he indicated■ that i was possible the Government would. adopt 'thi freehold. Tho debute was justified by tho fac that it had drawn from the Prime' Ministe: thb'statement that he was in'favour of th< re-establishment'of-the automatic purging.: .0 .e1ect0ra1 1.Wj115 , . , ...,'; , .".. ', ' ,' ■ ■■■yi '< ■:<■!■ Mr. Millar Opposes the Scheme. : " '•■■ The Hon.'J: A. MILLAE (Dunedin West) sai ho , had''always opposed preierential voting a'n< he intended ■ to oppose tho present Bill be cause it: was no ' improvement . on pre vious. similar ■ measures. The presen Bill was as hopeless a minority Bill as eve ho had seen. Under the system, a man \r,r compelled to.givo portion of his vote for candidate whom'ho" would not caro to sc elected. Ho'(Mr; Millar) was never afraid '< the old system, and-'ho did'not mind if no and again a minority" received ropresentatio; Kefernng .to the Kangitikoi election, ho-sai that the. Government would never have into: fered if;the. Leader of Opposition had m first interfered. Mr. Smith - vvas in favou of, discontinuing speeches -between the two poll and the Opposition candidate would-not accej the proposal.". .■'■■'.- Mr. Massey: And allow the under-hand ii fiuences to go on? V .. ■ Mr., Millar: You went there first, and u to that time the Ministers had not intende to interfere. " Mr. Massey: Why, Mr. Smith told tl electors that prior to tho first election he ha au offer of Ministerial assistance." Mr. Millar: I say that there , was no tal of Ministers going there until wo received telegram that you intended to speak. Mr. Massey: Well, how do you explain M Smith's, statement. ' ' '. i Mr. Millar: I only know what I havo tol you. -. - - i. . . . . . , Mr. Massey: There is a 'telegraph line I the electorate. . ■ ■ Subsequently Mr. Millar said that he ha never told'-the electors at Mangaweka that ■ the Opposition wero put into power the ma train would be stopped at Mangaweka. ■iw'-'-^T XM' 1 toW tho electors W£ that.if I;werc Minister for Railways I woul stop , those, trains at all places'of tho size i Mangaweka. ■■'•■■• ■ . \ ■ . : • ■ Mr. Millar, (proceeding) said that now tl becond Ballot, Act was on tho Statute 800 it should bo_ given a .fair trial. In conclusio, hp averred that the dairy regulations were uso at tho' .general' elections", in" such a nianric as to mislead. ■ , . . , Mr.. Massey: By whom? ' ' Mr. Millar: The Opposition. Voices: No, no. Views ofiMr. Buick. , . in favour of-tte second reading of the Bil Muld not be as bad as the Secon ml <>\ Act- . As regards that Act ho migh lt y 116 }, ai not Bnff ««d '""ler it. Up t the t nrst poll, however, the best of feelin existed between himself and his opponent, bn when it came to the second poll bitternes arose, and as a matter of fact had.not since looked at him. (Laughter!) A regards the dairy regulations, he claimed tha ho used them during the campaign in a legit mate manner. Twice during the dairy was inspected. ■ Tho.first.inspector ooul find no fault with it, bnt the second coul see nothing but faulte. (Laughter.) The Tegi latioii6 had done the Government and the Si uortmcntno good. Hβ would not: complait however, as he had scored off them.. .Mr. .M/LAKEN Wellington East) express tho opinion ithat the system of einglo preferene with representation on the quota basis-was th best that had yet been dovised. He conld nc agree with Mr. Millar that Labour candidate could have no chance in country districts. Th second ballot system,-not only forced elector to rote for a candidate whom they didn't wanl but to vote for a candidate representing cot dieting interests. • 'He wished to see a syster of. proportional ropreseiitation, but the preset Bill did not meet.the'requirements. More About Recent By-Electipn. . Mr. SMITH (Knngitikei) said that he woul explain the whole position in "regard':to th allesed interference . in the''- by-election The day after the first poll he wont to Huntei ville to ask his opponent if he was ngreeabl not to deliver any further speeches. Upon hi arrival the. secretary to .Mr. Hockly told hie tluit all arrangements had been.iniido on thei sitiv —that Mr: Hockly was to spenk at Mango wekn, Jtr.: Massey nt Utiku, and.Mr. Hutchi son nt tho 'Wangami! end. Ho decided the! to ask the Ministers to help him. If he ha< had only. Mr. Massey, Mr. Guthrie, and Mi Hockly to fight, he would not have troubled Which -was the sido that first attempted to ge the defeated candidates to Help it? Why, n soon as the figures for the. first poll went u the Opposition brEimiscr asked Mr. Cole, ohivii man of-Mr. Mcldrum's committeci to suppor Mr. Hockly. Then again, Mr; Georgetti wa ajep nsked to throw in hie lot with, the Oppo eition. ■.'■■' ' . •.' . Mr. Gutluie: Who did , it? " ' ■ ' Mr. Smith:-Mr. finthrie.' . (Laußhter.) In conclusion, Sir. Smith said that lie wa also told that the Opposition intended to tak off. tho flovos and littodle him without con

sideration. jn reply, he had told -his inforinaut that he would prefer tovkoep his Xm. ■■. .. - -. ■ ■ '■■■;■ . ■ . .•■ ■■'"■ Opinions of Other Speakers. ■ Mr.. NOS WORTHY (Ashburton) considered tho Second Ballot Act an • undemocratic mensure. Although he was elected under it, he had said that' he would vote against it,' and lie ivns going to'dp hi. It wiis an undemocratic measure, and lie..would be ashamed to sit long in tho House- if it was going to continue in force. It was not fit for any Britisher. It was made in Germany, ami transported tg this country, and foisted on a people who did not understand .what they ; were getting. They would reply later on..- . ~M r - GUTHEU3 (Oroua) spoke against the hecoiid Ballot Act. He went on to deny that lie had used the dairying regulations in an improper manner. Mr. Guthrie then touched on the Hangitikei by-election. Even prior to the first poll they were informed that four Ministers, were ready to come to the assistance of. the Ministerial candidate. Mr Massey'did not come into the electorate on his own initiative. Personally, he' (the speaker) had not asked one single elector to vote. ■'■••■•. Mr, Smith: What were you doing thero? Mr. Guthrie: I livo there. ' ' Mr. Poole: So was .Mr. Massey. (Laughter.) Mr. Massey: And I. felt very much at home. In conclusion; Mr. Guthrie said that it spoke volumes for.Mr. ¥nssey-that, .upon his going t0 tft. Pi*?*' the Ministers became so' frightened that four of them went to the rescue. m Mcssr |- Clark (Pore Chalmers), Macdonald (Bay of Plenty), Phillips (Waiteraata), , and Graham (Nelson) also took part in the debate. Mr. Graham spoke strongly against the "Potion of the Second Ballot Act, and stated that thousands of persons throughout the Do. minion who voted at'the first ballot were 'jiuable,, through, no fault of their own. to do so at tho second. : :.-. ■■: Motion for Adjournment. !' , Mr, POOLE (Auckland Wes*) moved at midnight the adjournment nf the debate. . Mr. FISHEK-. protested against tho adjournment. Its object, he declared, was to pre vout a direct vole being token oil tho repeal o{ the Secoii Ballot.'Act. It.was clear from he debate that' there was throughout ths length and bieadth of the country a desire foi electoral reform.' It'was'not the custom ol he House in the past'to send a Whip out, put ;ing. members up against the Bill and , pullins them down, and then to move an adjorirhinenl with-»' viow to killing the Bill. Would tin ?nme Minister take: a straight-out .vote' upoi the Bill? Tho whole object of his Bill was tc get a direct vote, from the House on the Sec ond Ballot Bill. There was no motion from ;he Government side when tho Absolut* Majority Bill camo "before the House, simprj jecauso the mover of that Bill was a.buddinj Minister on that side. Ho protested againsi the rights of-.-private members boing-taker trom thorn on. a private members', day abso .lutely by a party vote. The Prime' Minister said he coufd not tak< .a direct vote, because the debate was iinfin ished. . ' •. , ; ■'. ."i ■ ■ ■.•■■■.. . i '■ , ' ' ■ : ' ; ' ■ '' ■•.-■■'■■ An Exciting Incident. . '■ ■■'■■■ Mr. Poole stated that the .assertion tha: his motion was intended to kill the Bill was i "fib." . . ' . ■' ■;'• -, • - ■ : The Speaker: That is.an expression that ii not allowed in -Parliament. . Mr. Poole: Then I-withdraw the statement and say that it' is not in accordance will fact. •■ . V ■'.. Mr. Massey: , The hon. gentleman has doliber ately insulted me. Ho has done it more thai once, and ho has been allowedv to withdraw It has come to this stage, that members shouh not be allowed to • deliberately insult fellow niemberm in that way, and then get- out o it by a simple:withdrawal. ..(Hear, hear.) Th Prime Minister.' should do his duty in tin matter. ■ Sir Joseph Ehquld see that a membe: treats other members in a proper way. The Prime Minister-said that "he had alway tried.to uphold the dignity of the House. Mr Poolo 1 had been saying that his motion wo not devised to'.kill tho Bill, when be was con tradiotcd. ' .. " v -, •■.'.'■..-. ' _ Mr. : But Mr. Poole is in the habit 6 insulting members.' ; '. . Mr. Poole; r ; absolutely, deny it. Members: Mr; Mnssoy. should bo called upoi to withdraw that expression., ■■ ■ The Speaker:,: It' iff a reflection against th Chair as well as against Mr. Poole. Mr. .Massey: It was.not intended as a i'e flection .against-the Chair. .■'■■•; The Speaker: I think it should bo with drawn. ■-• Mr. Mnssey: I do so with- pleasure. Resuming, Mr. Maesey expressed the opinio: that Mr. , Poole should'be called upon to.apolt gise. -.' . '-. u, '" w.> «>:.-. ... -.) Mr.'Poole: I'got theN lie, and I replied o the, spur of the moment. He had moved fc the adjournment of tho debate in order/the it might be resumed on another occasion. .. Tho . Speaker . stated that it '.\\ae .«. matte for tho House.to say whether a withdraw: was sufficient,, or whether an apology shoul be demanded. ' ■- .. .. . , '. The Prime Minister: Let it rest at. that.'. Protest by Mr, Massey. ">.• '■. : .. ■■ Itr. , llassey said whether it iros intended c not if tho motion- were carried the Bill woul be, dead as Julius Caesar. If the Govemmer. wanted to 'kill ".the Bill, why'didn't it let i go to a division. A:, majority of the peopl objected to an antiquated out-of-date and ant< diluvian measure like the Second Ballot Ac being kept on tho Statute Book. ■ Sir Joseph Ward: I want to know if that i in order? '■' ,' .;' .-..■....■ .- ... , Tho Speaker; Mr.': , Massey ha 3 not tran: grossed the- rules. ■ "\. .', .;. ■'■ Mr. Mossoy If , the Prim Minister - thinks , the rights of private incmbs! are to bo interfered'with— ■ '■ Hon. E. M'Kenzio:.'What-rights? -, Mr. Massoy: It is tho right-of-every membc to bring down a Bill, and it is his right t got a division thereupon. •'• Hon. R. M'Kenzio: And it is tho right c every member to move the adjournment. Mr. Massry:'! know how to meet thes tactics, and I intend (luring this session to tak the'sense of the House as to whether th Second Ballot Act should be retained. Hoii.lt. M'Kenzie:iTake it now. Str. Massey:,Why >'iiot get . Mr. Poole t withdraw his motion? '•:. ■ ' Mr. M'Kenzio: You know, well that yo can't. , ■■'.•■■ . . ;■ ,' : - ■• . : , '.; ... ' Mr. Mosscy- went ; on to say that there ha this session been too -much interference ah threatened interference with the rights c members. '•.■' • ~-.'v > - Sir Joseph: What.rightsP - ' . •■ Mr. Massey:'Why.-only the other day yo expressed aii intention to bring in an amene ment to prevent'discussion on a first rcadin of a Bill. Lett me , tell you that you arc no going, to'gctit through this Houso this session Hon. E. M'Kenziei'.You cannot prevent it. Mr. Massey: Let him try it. ...If'the Govcri ment think they are going to gain anythjn by these tactics they aro going to' do nothin of tho sort. ■ I ■ do ; not. want any . friction t occur, but if they waut to get on with the bus: ness of the I hope , that Sir-Joscp will insist on his. followers adopting straighl forward tactics. He- was quite', sure . tho whether, they siippoi-fed tho Prime Minister o not, a majority of the House did not lik them. ' ■..'-.' :':;,: ■ ' . ' Prime , Minister In Reply. ' The Prime Minister said' h«j had. know: Mr. iMassey ou : many occasions vote .for th adjournment of/a debate on a private momber 1 Bill moved from the , Government side. Mr. Massey: This is a ;vcry important Bill. .-.The-Prime-Minister said it was the principl ■of-,tho matte!; at which Mr. Massey-was railing Hβ reminded him, therefore, of what ho hui known him doVin tile same direction,' thougi he , was now making ?-nch'virtuous conipluints. Mr. Mnssey: I. never.uioved-thu adjournmen in my life.' . ;, ~ . . ..... . . > Tho'Prime Minister:, Then you supported il Ho protested: against tho 'extraordinary-, atti tude takon up'by tlie' member in chargo of th Bill, as "wejl-as' the leader of the Opposition It was said that ! ho had, attempted to tak away tho privileges of members. Ho did no think that any Parliament had a system unde which the whole business of a , session couli bo stopped on' any day. Ho was not going t be frightened by Opposition threats from doin anything he thongSt "to bo right. Such threat would not have the slightest effect on himself o his party. vHe could riot tako a division at one and so slop members from speaking, who wishec to do 60.' He could >uot stop members speak ing. ■■'.■■' '. ' . . . ' ; ' A Member:' Yes.'' ■•--.■ The Prime Minister-: Well if I.could I woul( not. They tnow it. was' stated that Govern ment members wfiro.gagßed from time.to time bu{ it was totally ujitruo." A number .'of inom bers on- his Bide .had. great consideratioi ("Yes"), and sometimes when very importaiv matters -Avorn being dealt with recognised ■ tha a greater duty -covild bo performed by ho talkingfor the , sake of talkiif},', bnt there hnc never been a suggestion 1 by'him to stop then from speaking. -: He had not asUod the membei for Auckland West 'to move his motion foi adjournment, ami he; was informed that then wore other- Government-members- who wishec to speak. Mr: Fisher's Bill would not settle tin question of'the .Second Ballot 'Act. Only bin side of the House'could deal with that Act If it was: to-bo re.pnalcd or altered it coult only bo done by the .Government', and.they die not-intend, to 'repeal;it.' :':-.,.-.- . •.■■■'■■.. . Mr. Wright- (Weffington South) said il sooraod very clear .mat if the adjournmoni Avas'; carried, tho Bill, would bo- lulled for tl» session, ;iud thnt . wrr striking a sevcro "blow agsuiut the right* .'and of prirat* 'a '••■"-v 1 '-'.vi

members. The motion for adjournment wad':' 1 the iTranny' of the majority. He was debarred '4 by tho protest from- expressing hie opinions 1 on the Bill. . ■■■■■•. ■ •■■.- '.■■■.!,.{ /■Meesre. Laurewon (I,yttolton), EU (Christ--' h church South),v and Buchanan (Woirarapa) :i also spoke. ' . ■■'.■■ ; /. r!■; The Votlno. : ■■'■■•.••... '''■■'■: ■';:■.> V.: : : ,'^ : (Jpon a division being taken on tho question as to whether the delwte should be adiourtiEd, ■' the Ayes totalled SO nnd the Noos 27. Follow- " ing was the voting:— . .'■•■. ;A - tf°r th £ adjournment (30), Boddo, Biijtton, ' Carroll, Colvin Craigie, Davey, Duncan> Hon. J T., Field, Forbes, iiWlds, Granam, Hanan, Hosan, Laurcnßon, Lawry," Jiaodonald,', j R. MKenzie, Milliir, Ngata, Poole,' Kwd.-Ros*; 1 J Seddon, Mallworthy, Taylor, E. H., Buck, Thomson, J. C, Ward, \vilford. ' ' ' | Against the: motion, (27j, Andorfon, Bollard^:'' Buclianan, Biuek, Clark, Fisher, Fraser, Guth- V tie, Hardy, Herdman, Hemes, Hiae, ilLaran, .Makolni,- Slander, Massey, Newman: : Nosjrotthy, . Pearoc, • Phillips, / Scott, Thomson, G. M., Witty,.Wright ",■/■?■'■'* PROPOSED LOAN BILL . : j ■At this stage (1.19 a.m.) the Speaker announced ? that he had several messages to report to the House. One was from the Legislative Council ; and another was a message from hie Excel.'. i: lency, the Governor'relating to a BilL- .«■• - 3 Mr. Massey: It is after 12.30. / ' '« Sir Joseph: The Bill can stand over. Mr. Massey: What Bill'is itp .■, ; .' ■ . ■■ ' Se^n&fen^.^ 110^ o*B^^!0 * B^^! Sir Joseph: I don't insist. ■■•■'■ . ■.;■;.'; Upon the motion of the Prime Minister th» House then adjourned. ,' i •-•..,.,.■ ~ J