LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Auckland Times, Volume 3, Issue 118, 15 April 1845, Page 1

LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.

Saturday, April 5, 1815. The Governor, before proceeding 1 with the Orders of the dav, gave Ins assent to the following Ordinances, viz.-- ]. ‘rowu Grants Ordinance. 2 German Naturalization Ordinance. 2. Naturalization Ordinance. The Governor gave notice, that on tl'e second reading of the “Property Rate Amendment Ordinance'' he would move the following Resoffi ion—- “ Resolved —f **fx tit is expedient, under existing circumstances, to revert to the system of indirect taxation, as established in this Colony pre'ious to the passing of the Property Rate Ordinance.”

i Ihe Attorney s i. noro. moved \> : 1 I first meaning - ■’ the"" j■T Y r übolishiug i j imprisonment for Debt/’I Bill read -a-' first' time-according- f» ; On. motion of the Governor, it was ! t Ordered,-- 1 f “ That said Bid! be f'%l : a.' second 1 I time Diy Thursday, the 10th instant,” < ! On the Order of the clay; being | : moved for the second reading of the I Highway Bill, the Governor moved | that it be postponed until Thursday,j i the 1 Oth jos<a»t. * i Tuesday, April 8, 1845. | The- Governor submitted to the | i/CoinPul u written statement J-or- $ ArduTiT 5 lßfeijfie, suggesting-.the j .discussion ox a measure for the with- | drawal from -ircul m ion of' Be small j Government .Debentures and for the. J | payment cl al Arrears of salary due to j . .-rmrieiit Officers. Statement*read. - On motion of the Governor, it was j [Ordered -- • , j f *' That life statement be printed on j [the Minutes; and taken into cob£i(Wa- ! jitidn on Thursday, the 10th. instant” | ?• " s 1 am /of that ‘a measure i Toft i;e Withdraw??!- from 1 mßatioh ofj the Small Debentures now current‘in'j pl«e > Colony f’l accordance with the! Despatch from,'Lord. Stardev, dated:' •'.October ‘4.7th, and tor .the payment of! the Arrears or Salary due to 'Govern- j merit Officers, ought to be submitted j to the Legislative Council 14. r discus |

sum hir the, ip iowmg> reasoua..iraiiiely ” Because it is ox the most vital im - s ..■portnnee to his Colony,- that the res tora’io’ii of lie Currency t » a sound state by the withdrawal < f Re deprecidted Gove mient paper now in cif'dilation she Id be e Hoc ted without any miavoiffi ie de'ay : and because i am of opinio that-the. course . stated by ?I is KxeelU icy tbe Governor-to the Legislative * Y noil, on Saturday last, as about to be adopted bv the Executive Govermne t, of pn\ ing the-arrears: due to Govern nent Officers, amounting to several thousands of pounds, in the large Debentures ordered by that, Despatch, to be substituted in the place of small ones, is calculated seriously to retard, if not wholly to prevent, this desirable resu’t. By I forcing the new Debentures imme diately to a discount, as most of the recipients wiU be compelled by their necessities to sell them at any sacrifice, --anu by destroying the public eonfidenee in them,-a portion of them, not distinguishable from the remainder, being applied to a purpose different from that for which they are authorised n.v the Home Government to be i d-.awn, and theu for being hab’e to be i disowned.

“THEOPHILUS HEALE.” 1 be Colonial Secretary laid on the talde the following Returns,— L \ return of crimes ?ind rfferees for the sears 1842, 1843, and 1844, com pi'ed horn returns received from the Supreme and County Courts.” 2. A return ot the Revenue derived from the Customs in New Zealand since the establishment of the Colony, and of die charges on the collection of the same. On motion of the Colonial Secretary, it was Ordered—‘‘That said Returns be printed.” The Governor stated that before proceeding with the Orders of the day be was de irons that the Protest e»fered durirtg a late session of Council, by Mess;s. Brown, Martin, and Clifford! against the passing of the Customs’

| Amend men!; G>r<;iiia«ee, • should be ! “e >‘X -or th« informatloii ot Members. LProtest read, fi J \ Ebe Governor laid >on‘ the table “ A ! Bib to repeal a*-. Ordinance for imptu I sing n Rate upon’ Propetty,T\nd for 1 —O-;.,'' *»g the .'Custpiiig' .'Ordinance, j Session- l t No -3, and the Customs’ j Amendment Ordinance, Session 3 | No. GT " ' ' ' . ; I Mr,. Heale moved that the Standing ! Rules and Orders be suspended.— 1 Agreed to. l Tju Governor moved that the Fro - I perty Rate Repeal BUI/. be read a I first time. ; • ; Biff read a first time accordingly. | The Colonial Treasurer moved that j the Standing Orderscbniinue suspended, ; and that tne./Bilf be carried through j its =&•:'■ vorai stages; e | €u iiis* question" being put, the - UomiGi divided—Ayes 5 —Noes 2. | Tim Colonial I reasurer moved the I second reading of the “ Property Hate ; RegNd -KM ” l BUI read a second time accordingly. • ]. * -'• Governor niovcii;' the third I reading of the Property Rate Repeal | Bib : j ■ 15VD .read a third time arid passed, ; con'dfg city irhdrot operation. ■ i-lie Governor mov.«d thatthe second [reading:' cf the “BiR To amend the I Property’ Rate’ Ordinance,be post* pc ii oil to-this dityAix foc-nths. A greed to. 3 !»•* '.f over nor moved that the second , » me 'Ltvmnrjmg .Ljenerai Deaieis/ bo postponed to this day six months. Agreed to.

$ 'i : % TboiisD^- April 10, 1845. jj'b «fce hv giving U t e niO"-i fwh'.ivv a*»Ufawes***, brongM bv Ho iVoYdn* eiiirfa ot Uif- Waikmo tribe, of tlieir.fi r » (rießtUbip * -4 sHisnce in c-.se ot b» atfmy. Jibn Bni’-iiog. VV pero.whero,...A.bntbanjrt, snt} ; ?til sis». o • l,Wr nnantn'ons in tip's G.p’S-i^iiiation^ 'lJui.ir tttpiiliee mind* had keen much -grieved at our supposing ‘he possibility of their i fidelity io our band* of friendship ! S.c»h*l ot tbeu. weic coming to Atn LlhiiA, List nitiiout forre *>r Miiphers lor fear of giving aara, in ortier to conduit wilii fj.t Geve«if»r an<i titike site preitrr ration of pttteeJ ' His. Esorlieiicy said all big infoi-fx.tti'iSi and cbrre«t«*H<!eaoe v?«* bigltly satis factors. ; there ivtre cepoits ami rtmtours going *h«!3S whieli/tt W«* a (trgradatioti to odhtradict—the »in theit«*eivi » •••<» absurd ; tor in-tanf?, the ;ep<i"t ih a an ettHfk would be nt.sde on tut* 21 st iitaUnt by Hthi and hi* pv-opie. Shis »a< phydeatiy impestbie ro*.»idl‘iii«i' time and distance a»»d ‘be ftece»*>ty of prepYtatibn. r . Vv'iiitvkef lit I in ms it contidence 'in Mr, Ml UfiHtfa opinion, but, by the Ku-oteli this in'olll. ing, it wa* repoitt'd tint the recent coMinon the opponent or' >e<i had cia-*-.; recoilciiiation had taken pl»/ae and , a run iitieu against Auokland would probably b~ the re*u!t. . ■ fO« e .if tha pit tners of til- tiros of Green and Brown mime up in the Russel with souse salvage from their »tor* *; be w«» warned by PoMahk siat to lake these goods to A ocklaud, for they vrootd be imicb ie»s secure there than m lioror*• rik ,*» y cities' p ace til).]

The Governor at tatfltod n<» fin port anoo to one in en of ti,e i iiiiimirn be reoetv. d ; they w eie generally iiii«le»e.iving of credit , > 4, r Sii-iaiice, Mr, Miriiti bad eimleii cwnsldioable aUnu Ry spreading fer'am lepo t* of a» iateiview with the Vtaories, at winch a mis iouary was pie-en! whose n *n>e he •id not kimw, t i:is gentleman af «rward* pr<i : .(i t > li M , Kemp, bill, on beinc ij lestioocd, Mr K, d clateil that lic ie was not ttie least toon dal ion lor any part ot Ml', Mernts M-t merit in tike mann-r, one Hawk Hi* went out express,* t<» st'ts wllat lir* c<> i’d cnnlrivepo pul 1 geilier, anil after ' netting ,«he wh;4e ptace in alarm, i< whs (bund tuat Ids story it«d not the shadow ot truth it» It Li r«c*. *»M the,natives in Mjr ncigtlbonr* hood vvcie not oisjy exceedingly quie’, but zea uus 111 toeil ffiendsb.ip tile land ai langeiueuU l.ttd SHiifft'ed every, utliruiur amongst tiu-tii. iir, ile’aie was de»irou» to p»t a question to i)i» Kxcallency, Opoti the question »d the recently co'.* r'ucsed fortiticalious, —they **ot»ld be perteciiy useless and nutenabtn, if they wire slot provisioned —much public aoriety prevailed Upon this subject. i She Gove'tmr sa-d —'•there is three months vrovisicits for tiro hundred and fifty men, * \*«d 1; <* re tore a-.me -utbv.ont «ipp«y for auy emergency, fhete was abundance of water, or if not, it was s>iil v uecersaiy to dip. tor tt» [Nothing was’said about file wood, of which vee arc told there is about as much is) the barrack? u» wouid oi&ke a ipodi iaic biutdie of tnatobes, Lx> j

| id)* fc.x«ciienoy Cytupaied hinxetl to a spider in j- bis «*eb, wfhero He sat perpatsuily ffn ‘.tie, watch, l wi-b tL« s-u»ceptib!e [ine# of iafortiifioi; *pr«a<i l •»«' fto eveiy side, in hued a. snaoaef Shut it wa** l tor any taoverirui \o escape his noise - .fi« reference,?!* ip'P.ysdid »?»••.•!.•-. rv **?r» . --k w,td!e Ufl tUsis i:aa.o?» secn>*L. ; "o «h« Hiibi '" ' 4 i*r-' i- ■> •? srs.-sf-r'a on : b>* ■ j be ns&y i nf be deceived in. she mature. *.d some »»v the ixdioatiling irom Isis outposts ? judging , isota \ pest es>peiTnce, if .ig a poaltfrolft wfrfcti |; rtigfit and wtbdg '«> irsdh rfisewb^— Ti»»r wbailie -lake*) for ts.-i-hHe udtl j I* seiyqijr first d.oton«ra.rd treusldf, i Ot judgment's balance into 111 1 Msrtial law He contiiiMd- c:?'-* be catied ibGI operation iu dve miontes »pon 'the Ga*trnova j. command, lyfSie,,!iOd the resource? of to*#, j end oottsiG w \» *, *** ij into sbe j>#k!icyeiyic«,{. I have our tiouhsz m this poiat. %lw) bot he wair i sure th.at ample notice would arrive before any* movement cottid tafrjpbc*. Mr, Heals thaiikcd Hi* Excellency far Isis *•*<> • pfmattoo, • tbv usmr&np that there k.-«s ihie? | • month* proi’ismts C; the barracks, would tend J grr-etly to tdiay those spprebcasjobo, wbicL barf Lpiompted bis essqotfyc , ft Tiie So»*r»M could not »e# iay pgescßt dunger. Land any ntitiotdiao'y of pjppsradnn w-ss {.'•only esdetdat-rd t<s excite »t%HB'. ;Bt“h.'o'es.& stpra I'.of provisions Whs dot to U-: Loaght witbnnt money, [-aiid he ssw. ( uc presets: riefccs'stSy for *;>« Rgovernmentto in other words Gs: wssfiag :. the property of the ;>ul#)ic» ,i Mr. W-httisKer Coifld •tl-terre v.-nn t ?V< tvacoii'lesat, that sqstent prei-ttraiio.-i '. #• colcui»t<ea to I exeiu* tilartn, on 'Hie contrary be Ihougbt it.ihe. L beet twast of eStsrydug it*

j'. i'f Aft;.roe? {Jerera! «»»d tL*t lire nvtGv of 'rtnouey mighlTe aterted by L ti* ** * < « store iv B lis'r. •»anacks, end inciting the niercbsnt# who holders of pro vision* to piece ‘hstn there, for L • keeping, in case of emergency. ( flic HiMiihut ebjrc»ii»n to this is that thins ea-ling ibejf toofl upon Hie troubled w*?t?r of ptiblio necessity w<w;id. «atnrsi!y rvq-t're seur*rit y that they -should'find it ogam bereaftsr—E*A' Governor saw no foi such *•- course, it would take fourteen days al least t» [ build such a place, besides the expense.' Mr. Heale said that the time required for such a purpose, way joss the reason why it should not be'delayed* it would al ways be useful hereafter, .except indeed, that' the bat*?ick» had been built where they were quite out of.place, they ought to cover the town and cist st aft from the country, in theie present posiiiou they were quite a® likely' teDnJote tile 4owu as W-prbfcect It*' ; Tile Governor agreed . .with the latter remark f and »aid that-ground ..in s proper posilion had bten st'#eiv«’d wa» ttotfa time' to disbars that master* * The 001, ‘ thought the: Attorney Ge**' / ««ia!’s suggestion 'wojtby o< o-oasideratk-ti, in ca«©

of iiisidiouit attempt to lire tire town,theprovi'- , sious would thus be »ect|ie. -‘ * The fjoverduipsajd that sdt p'arfe and flow* »vcG’ s •not very combustible, and ht did not attach muck .value to the sig’Uiueiit, io w'bi'Cii •?.' }• ■ ’■ j . ; Mr. Heale rejoined it' was-’not the ConrbuAfibiiity of the piisk, but the woode'h buildings that con* tamed it, that were t« be than gift of, if th« bouses wtre burnt down, eveii'lhoagb the gooes be uietal ifutead ol it f»«u3*l destroy tbem* Mr. Whitaker had yet another question to ask, if bis Excellency would give him leave. It wax g'-mesally uudervtood shat ihs North Star w&s «r* deftd {or China, If oof security was s<» complete as Itis Excellency represented it to be. why did Sir Esei. sd Home iiugei beret is he detained by His Excellency's desire? would our seoari’y b© 1 complete in his absence ? , The Governor said the North Star is in these seas for the genera! protection of British life nul interest. Sir E. Home would stay or depart hi the Governor of this or acy other colony -might; r-present lbe necessity. “i am sure, (added he), He would not Lave here till 1 cordially consent." j We have a strong force here now, and a reinforce* 1 meet is expe«»ed, but if ‘he ships oi was aie sent ! «way now, I shall not have tbit ottr safety which L have so boldly expresbf d. The subjest vn dropped here, and the Council proceeded to * dieCawiou upon ‘lie B«w debeaibt'Ck a * luggested by Lord Stauley,

[The Council adopted. of course, :»t the JUtggeso ! tioas of the Gt'»ei*no; , fell ti $ ronimaads ci Lord . Stanley's dispatch, which we. have* already p’ib* itcheri and remarked Opon, the result of which is to.charge open the Colony a funded debt, bearing eight per cent interest, and mu It ins' tin? demand the essde? and most imperative opon the colonial funds. We cannot, however, for the life of us, conceive whet, in the present state of (the Colony, the happy holders of fifty pound debentures wiil he able to do with them. They are not to be a legal tender u the Colony , they are not to be payable at home 5 and the precise period of thei r redemption is not. of course anything less than - perfectly irideliti> > so the present state of New Zealand, They will, be only serviceable to such usurers in the Coioay as have the mtaoj *nd indication u>, buy them tjp at their own price, r~for of course they v ill not be available as a ®**w of ; 'entit,tamte of toreigL payment. Alas L, -ala* I whet bewilderment we ar» surrounded by.! i>»mest«c. »shty—eicspc from starvation—the j seasaMiahroent of peaceful law---redemption fr©iu ‘ euormoas taxation 5 \il these, and a thousand other blessings, which a veil conducted govehuneot Turds, are locked up from out- possession.- In meanwhile we are .'.ailed upon to turp soldier* •“'*ll and every one-- sad sacrifice osr lives fot ■he name and lame—ftr the laws and the logic—et the i.verl«BiJi)g, loolc in the House of Common* uc-'- ©Lev here,--Kb© dabble in enr a flag* only to dUfigo're then? with their filthy.and foolish troubled ' ■ '-v^(ess this is strong language,—but there is i -jl to the place, except Captain' Fhzrcy mo ids Dragoman, that decs not (some loudly, some sof/a vunej utter it. The Council then omtirt'd themselves with, the folly of playing at legislation about Turnpike fii.tU-.the appropria* ticn cl fines r asaaUit case*, and ether absurdities. Mr. Heale had the merit of standing alone opon the division of the Council upon .the subject of ihero diaphanous debentures— these, shapeless and j «h*dcw!e«a securities, A very little, sime w iii *,e*va fo show hi* fore thought, and Use reckless I see:.: ■ Mdernion of the rest of the Council—Eb.J

SatjjrbaY, Aprii. 1.2, 1845. us Excellency explained a mistake he had snade ..about Tub Provisions iu the barracks, on Thursday last, There were no provision ! When v?rote /or the troops be desired they might s?rusg down three mouth* supplies with them, and WoofM Ist ojarta 'thev *> •?** •>. , ■• : appeared, tor some reason which he 0.,u1d hot 1 explain, they had not come. [Probably .Sir George Gippa 'generously thought it might serve the trade of the place to have to supply the troops-—Es.] .His Excellency catitiuued,—he wo?d,t set about crectim a etore-bouse, and creating a supply in the barracks, forthwith—tb U ) reyecsing every wind be said twofdays before.